Once Saved Always Saved

[Behold]

You list all the things that can prevent a Christian from going to heaven. No double talk.

Marks can't list "things" that will keep a Christian from going to heaven, as nothing can cause this...
The only issue that keeps you out of heaven, is not being reconciled to God, through Christ.
That's it.

And before you rant about the "unpardonable sin", which you dont understand, let me explain it to you, so that you do.
The unpardonable sin, is THE SIN of Christ Rejection, that is proven to be committed by NEVER BEING BORN AGAIN.
One you are born again, then you can't commit the "unpardonable sin".

 

[marks]

LOL That is circle talk. Unless you admit that evildoers...will not go to heaven.

No, it's reality. And of course evildoers won't be in heaven. They aren't in heaven now, and won't be in heaven later. Meanwhile, Children of God are ALREADY in heaven.

Hid with Christ in God. Seated in the heavenly realm.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are spending your life explaining them away, that is way.

OK, you choose to double down on stuff like that. It think it's break time again.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Marks can't list "things" that will keep a Christian from going to heaven, as nothing can cause this...
The only issue that keeps you out of heaven, is not being reconciled to God, through Christ.
That's it.

Thank you! That's the list.

The question is a "complex question", a logical fallacy.

How long have you been a tugboat? It's on that level. What makes the redeemed not redeeded?

Huh?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Thank you! That's the list.

The question is a "complex question", a logical fallacy.
How long have you been a tugboat? It's on that level. What makes the redeemed not redeeded?
Huh?
Much love!

Let use the analogy that Heaven will allow you in if you have the right TICKET.

So, how do you get the right ticket?
You have to get the one that is "Blood Bought".
If you have that one, you may "enter in", already.

 

[Wrangler]

And before you rant about the "unpardonable sin", which you dont understand, let me explain it to you, so that you do.
The unpardonable sin, is THE SIN of Christ Rejection

Going 100% against what Jesus says again! If Jesus says we must eat peanut butter, you will say the most important thing in the whole Bible is to not eat peanut butter.

Jesus specifically said dissing him will be forgiven but dissing the Holy Spirit of God will not. Eat your peanut butter if you know what is good for you.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you are born again, and so far, im waiting for evidence........but if that is your case, then you are a Spiritual Jew.

No I am not a spiritual Jew.

And if you are born again, you were made righteous by the shed blood of a Jew.

No I was made righteous by a God...the Son of God.

So, the Law, is your schoolteacher. It instructs you to understand that you are in need of being reconciled to God, or as Jesus said....>"you MUST be born again".
The Law instructs us all in this same manner, Jew or Gentile, as all are "under the law", until they become "under Grace" by being born again.

Christ's teaching are far superiors than any thing that the OT or the Mosaic Law had to offer. The Law has nothing to do with my relationship with God. The Law taught me nothing.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok, you've stopped arguing for your view, and have switched to arguing against me as a person.

Not as much fun, and not as productive.

No that is not what I said.
No that is not what I said.
All of the threads are support.
You have been told to read the whole Bible several times.
You have been presented with dozens of scriptures.
But you have no respect for scriptures...all they are to you are words that you have to explain way.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, just so!

But hear what those passages say.

Much love!

I have already heard them.

 

[Grailhunter]

Marks can't list "things" that will keep a Christian from going to heaven, as nothing can cause this...

There you go....
This is heresy.
There in nothing in the Bible that will tell you that evildoers will go to heaven...but it will tell you with no if's and's or but's where evildoers will go.

The unpardonable sin, is THE SIN of Christ Rejection, that is proven to be committed by NEVER BEING BORN AGAIN.
One you are born again, then you can't commit the "unpardonable sin".

Behold has written his own Bible? Find these word in the Bible. And yes I do understand the unpardonable sin. All you have to do is read the verses....not try to tell God what it means.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, it's reality. And of course evildoers won't be in heaven. They aren't in heaven now, and won't be in heaven later. Meanwhile, Children of God are ALREADY in heaven.

Hid with Christ in God. Seated in the heavenly realm.

Much love!

Just no. Circle talk. Cannot deceive me and cannot deceive Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

OK, you choose to double down on stuff like that. It think it's break time again.

Much love!

Again....
OSAS is not biblical.
OSAS is not believed in early Christianity. It is nothing that the post Christian writings are going to promote. No early Christian sect believed in OSAS.
OSAS does not occur during the first millennium..
The only thing that is close to it, is Calvinism...that is in the 1500's and Calvinism is something between blasphemy and satanic. This belief does not occur in any form for the first 1500 years.
Now this is very popular with the new denomination that dances to the beat of social and leftist political views.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again....
OSAS is not biblical.
OSAS is not believed in early Christianity. It is nothing that the post Christian writings are going to promote. No early Christian sect believed in OSAS.
OSAS does not occur during the first millennium..
The only thing that is close to it, is Calvinism...that is in the 1500's and Calvinism is something between blasphemy and satanic. This belief does not occur in any form for the first 1500 years.
Now this is very popular with the new denomination that dances to the beat of social and leftist political views.

Its ok

Jesus taught it
John confessed we can know we have it
All the disciples confirmed it.

Just because a pagan church rejected it does not mean it is not fact.

 

[JunChosen]

First off...I am not a Jew..."the law" cannot define me.

If you are a believer you are a Jew... Romans 2:29.

The law defines everyone without exception... "The wages of sin is death!" Have you ever sinned and is it paid for?

Secondly the belief that you can scam Christ and use His good Grace as a license to sin...is a sin onto itself...and you will answer for it.

I don't believe anyone here especially believers has said that they have a license to sin... ever!

 

[Grailhunter]

Its ok

Jesus taught it
John confessed we can know we have it
All the disciples confirmed it.

Just because a pagan church rejected it does not mean it is not fact.

I am not discussing a pagan church.
Your belief did not exist until 1500 years after the biblical era and then it Calvinism that is messed up.
And a good part of that is mostly social and political view....sin and sin some more and go to heaven.
You should make that into a song.

 

[HisLife]

Hebrews 10: 26-31

I notice you throw these verses around on copy and paste, But I wanted to know your interpretation of Hebrews 10:26-31 , If someone went to church most of there life then when hard times came along they intentionally sinned multiple times, got fed up with Christianity tried to turn away from God serve anyone but God and got into Satanism, in your opinion have they blown it and cant come back will they go to hell, or do you think they could still be forgiven and go to heaven?

 

[marks]

Its ok

Jesus taught it
John confessed we can know we have it
All the disciples confirmed it.

Just because a pagan church rejected it does not mean it is not fact.

People do go on about "OSAS", I'm freshly reminded this accronym means different things to different people. That's one of the reasons I don't like to use modern labels for Biblical doctrines. I think we should speak in Biblical terminology, and at best, simply using the phrases and wording the Bible uses to speak of these things.

We can bicker on and on about "OSAS", and find that we're not even talking about the same things.

Or we can encourage each other live pure lives, knowing that when we see Him, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.

Now, some demonstrate the inability to accept this plain statement of Scripture without modifying it somehow, like inserting conditions that don't appear,

We will be like Him if we keep believing.
We will be like Him if we don't sin too much.
We will be like Him if we don't turn blue first.



But the simplicity is, we who are children of God will be like Him when we see Him, because we will see Him as He is.

So someone wants to spin that into an "OSAS" debate, to attack what they consider to be "OSAS". As if a doctrinal debate is more important than understanding the Scriptures. We need to first understand the Scriptures, so that we can have true doctrine.

This passage gives a clear teaching, and heeding that teaching causes us to purify ourselves.

What I want to do is to talk about how this principle, that we become like Him in seeing Him as He is, that this certain expectation is what leads us to live pure lives. Which seems to answer objections about, it just means you don't care about sin. No, this is actually HOW you address sin in you life. You put your hope in Christ, KNOWING that He will IN FACT save you, just as promised. Promised! God cannot lie.

I want to talk about how this principle, that we become like Him as we see Him as He is, let's look deeply into Jesus, learn of Me, He said. Put on the new man, which is renewed according the knowledge the One Who created him.

See Jesus better now, and you will be more like Him now.

He has constant love for you, you will have constant love for others.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I notice you throw these verses around on copy and paste, But I wanted to know your interpretation of Hebrews 10:26-31 , If someone went to church most of there life then when hard times came along they intentionally sinned multiple times, got fed up with Christianity tried to turn away from God serve anyone but God and got into Satanism, in your opinion have they blown it and cant come back they will go to hell, or do you think they could still be forgiven and go to heaven?

Actually, if this passage is about losing salvation, ONE SIN will do it, forever, no return.

Anyone who becomes a Christian, who commits one sin, knowingly, is forever cast out away from God. Either it means that or it doesn't.

But I think even those who say that the passage speaks of the believer being rejected by God, I've not met any who dare say that a single knowing sin after becoming a Christian causes you to be forever lost. So even in that interpretation they do not remain consistent to the passage.

Much love!

 

[CadyandZoe]

What about Apollos?

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I wondered if Apollos' experience might inform our understanding of John's teaching? Doesn't it say that Apollos was able to strongly defend the faith with nothing more than John's teaching?

 

[HisLife]

Actually, if this passage is about losing salvation, ONE SIN will do it, forever, no return.

Anyone who becomes a Christian, who commits one sin, knowingly, is forever cast out away from God. Either it means that or it doesn't.

But I think even those who say that the passage speaks of the believer being rejected by God, I've not met any who dare say that a single knowing sin after becoming a Christian causes you to be forever lost. So even in that interpretation they do not remain consistent to the passage.

Much love!

Yes You cant use one scripture you don't understand to try eliminate many other plain scriptures that are clear.

It seams the ones that like using the verse usually create there own standard on what's acceptable or not, I have seen him praise people that intentionally go against the verse and get so angry at people that stand by grace, I was wondering on his double standards as to how he would answer

Thanks for your effort on these forums I appreciate your efforts and enjoy reading your posts, Your patience is impressive I need to work on that, keep up the good work