Once Saved Always Saved

[Behold]

Paul said a lot of about Grace but not with standing he obviously did not believe that evil will go to heaven.

Everyone is "evil" before they are born again.
Its the Righteousness of GOD that become us, as "the gift of righteousness" that God has caused, is why we go to heaven.
We go to heaven and not to hell, because GOD has done this to us...."MADE RIGHTEOUS".
Thats = all the born again.

Jesus said there is "none good".
Jesus said. "if you BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children".
Jesus said.>"you are of YOUR FATHER the Devil".

So, we have to get a new Spiritual Father, and that is why we must be "born again" OF and BY our NEW Father = God.

Paul said that "all have fallen short of the Glory of God'.
The Law defines you as a TRANSGRESSOR and a SINNER, before God's Amazing Grace redefines you as a SAINT.

So, "evil" has little to do with anything....but rather its "you must be born again" = that is EVERYTHING that matters.
As if you are not, you are this.... John 3:36

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So you don’t need it now? Why?

Because I believe right now and am not presently enduring any temptation to return to the world.

What are you thinking that would make you need such exhortation?

The day might come where I am tempted to return to the world because of some trial, or tribulation, or testing, or desire I have not encountered yet. Paul says to be humble about this, not conceited as many in the church seem to be.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not everyone who calls Jesus LORD is born again.

LOL That is circle talk. Unless you admit that evildoers...will not go to heaven.

 

[Grailhunter]

Personally, I find stuff like this offensive. But then, I'm not here to be offended or not offended. Just sayin'.

OSAS....no matter what
So I am sure I am right about what you have been saying through these threads.
But ya know I will play your game.
Prove me wrong...
You list all the things that can prevent a Christian from going to heaven. No double talk.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You say “keep believing” is what matters, at least for you. And why? Let me guess, if this is even just a guess. Because by doing so, you stay and remain saved.

As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

If you think that's just automatic for the believer then good, I guess you're just going to be able to do that easier than those of us who don't believe that. The important thing is that you are doing that. Let's not argue over meaningless contentions. Let's stay focused on exhorting one another to keep believing in the gospel message, just as the Bible tells us to do.

 

[Grailhunter]

We have to accept passages like Colossions 3, and I John 3, just like all the others.

That is the issue.
You have to accept these chapters and all the rest.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Now, for the sake of argument, making that parable to support your view, consider the following implications, among others.

1. That God is one who after have granted forgiveness, will take it back.

2. That one’s forgiveness of sins will be taken back when one sins.

3. That one’s forgiveness of sins by God isn’t absolute and that God remembers one’s sins even after having forgiven them.

Those are only a few. What can you say about those?

Oh, I really don't care about the osas argument and whether or not one can lose the gift of salvation. I believe what I believe about it and you believe what you believe about it. What's important is that we both agree that you must remain in believing in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. I don't even care that you think that is accomplished in a different way than how I think it's accomplished. What matters is that we agree that only BELIEVERS will go into the kingdom when Christ comes back, not unbelievers who used to believe.

But anyway, just for fun....

1. As you know, I believe you lose the forgiveness of sin you have while a believer if you go back to unbelief. Christ's completed, but ongoing ministry of intercession (Hebrews 7:25) only applies to the person who is trusting in it, not the person who doesn't trust in it.

2. No, not taken back when one sins. Taken back when one goes back to unbelief. All sins are covered for the believer, not for the unbeliever.

3. Forgiveness of sin is absolute, as long as the gospel message remains in your heart. Guilt is reinstated if/when the believer goes back to unbelief. Because he no longer has the ministry of Christ to prevent sin guilt from exposing him to the wrath of the coming judgment.

 

[Grailhunter]

Everyone is "evil" before they are born again.
Its the Righteousness of GOD that become us, as "the gift of righteousness" that God has caused, is why we go to heaven.
We go to heaven and not to hell, because GOD has done this to us...."MADE RIGHTEOUS".
Thats = all the born again.

Well you are back to sitting at the heavenly banquet with cannibals. All I can say is when they come at you with the ketchup...run!!!

Jesus said there is "none good".
Jesus said. "if you BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children".

Oh my! so you do not think there is a difference between cussing when you stub your toe and homosexuals that have orgies with children. That is a serous problem in your head. Good in context thank you...stay with the real.

Paul said that "all have fallen short of the Glory of God'.
The Law defines you as a TRANSGRESSOR and a SINNER, before Grace redefines you as a SAINT.

First off...I am not a Jew..."the law" cannot define me.
Secondly the belief that you can scam Christ and use His good Grace as a license to sin...is a sin onto itself...and you will answer for it.

So, "evil" has little to do with anything

Sound like a quote from Satan. "evil has little to do with anything." Do you think you can find that phrase in the Bible?

 

[Grailhunter]

SO that's a no. Accusation but without support.

OK, got it!

No that is not what I said.
All of the threads are support.
You have been told to read the whole Bible several times.
You have been presented with dozens of scriptures.
But you have no respect for scriptures...all they are to you are words that you have to explain way.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Shows where Paul said they have genuine faith in Christ. It seems to you that Paul knows the hearts of them. Did Paul have such power? Interesting.

now that you know God—or rather are known by God Galatians 4:9

Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
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And yet they fell away to 'another' gospel.

 

[Behold]

First off...I am not a Jew..."the law" cannot define me.

If you ever committed a sin, then you are under the law.
Your NT says that "all are sinners", and that means you, until you are born again.
See, Its the law, and its dominion that defined you as a sinner.
You came to the Cross to have your sins forgiven, that the LAW proved that you had...

Wake up.

 

[JunChosen]

Perhaps. I don't know whether that is true or not.

The behavior I see is in misquoting, cherry picking translations, quoting out of context, misrepresenting other people, I don't know whether this is unconcious behavior, or part of an agenda.

Much love!

I believe a part of an agenda!

 

[Behold]

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And yet they fell away to 'another' gospel.

That is the gospel that you teach.
"self saving". = another Gospel
"im keeping myself saved by my faith".
That's you.

So, you are the kettle calling the pot black.
You are the very problem.

 

[Behold]

As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

If you think that's just automatic for the believer

If Jesus is the Author and Finisher of your faith, why do you not trust Him?

Stop being your own Savior.
God does not accept this, and will not.

 

[Behold]

I believe what I believe about it and you believe what you believe about it..

See, thats the issue you have.
No matter what, all that matters to you is what YOU believe.
And when you believe wrong, this is all that matters to you.
So, you have big problem.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you ever committed a sin, then you are under the law.

Wrong!

Your NT says that "all are sinners", and that means you, until you are born again.

Wrong again.

See, Its the law, and its dominion that defined you as a sinner.

I am not a Jew. Man you must of missed a bunch of the New Testament!

You came to the Cross to have your sins forgiven, that the LAW proved that you had...

Again I am not a Jew. And the 613 Mosaic Laws are applicable. There are a lot of Mosaic Laws that are sins in Christianity. If you are one of those people that likes to mix Judaism and Christianity...that in itself will come up with one weird religion.

 

[marks]

You want to believe that you can sin all you want and still go to heaven...it is not going to work for you and if people believe you will be answering to Christ for their damned souls. Preaching false beliefs is a double edged sword.

How To Be Pure

 

[Behold]

Wrong!

I am not a Jew. Man you must of missed a bunch of the New Testament!

If you are born again, and so far, im waiting for evidence........but if that is your case, then you are a Spiritual Jew.
And if you are born again, you were made righteous by the shed blood of a Jew.
And this same Resurrected JEW< is coming for His Bride, and will take them to JERUSALEM, and that place has a lot of Jews.

So, the Law, is your schoolteacher. It instructs you to understand that you are in need of being reconciled to God, or as Jesus said....>"you MUST be born again".
The Law instructs us all in this same manner, Jew or Gentile, as all are "under the law", until they become "under Grace" by being born again.

 

[marks]

No that is not what I said.
All of the threads are support.
You have been told to read the whole Bible several times.
You have been presented with dozens of scriptures.
But you have no respect for scriptures...all they are to you are words that you have to explain way.

Ok, you've stopped arguing for your view, and have switched to arguing against me as a person.

Not as much fun, and not as productive.

 

[marks]

That is the issue.
You have to accept these chapters and all the rest.

Yes, just so!

But hear what those passages say.

Much love!