What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

[akelch]

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Pearl]

i don't think anybody can really know what that sign is, but I'm sure there will be a lot of speculation.

 

[akelch]

i don't think anybody can really know what that sign is, but I'm sure there will be a lot of speculation.

If we did know what this sign is, would we accept it if it challenges our current views of eschatology?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Good question. I don’t know but considering
Luke 11:29-30 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. [30] For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Confusing should we seek after a sign?

 

[Pearl]

If we did know what this sign is, would we accept it if it challenges our current views of eschatology?

That's hypothetical so I don't have an answer. But it's likely that when it happens it will be clear enough. I trust God with my life and my hour of death so to be honest I'm not worried by speculation.

 

[akelch]

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Good question. I don’t know but considering
Luke 11:29-30 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. [30] For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Good question. I don’t know but considering
Luke 11:29-30 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. [30] For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Confusing should we seek after a sign?

The sign that the Pharisees were asking for is the proof that Jesus was the son of God. But Jesus said the only sign you will see is his death and resurrection, which would be too late for them. But the sign in Matthew 24:30 is talking about his return in Judgment against them.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The sign that the Pharisees were asking for is the proof that Jesus was the son of God. But Jesus said the only sign you will see is his death and resurrection, which would be too late for them. But the sign in Matthew 24:30 is talking about his return in Judgment against them.

I’m not so sure Matthew is separate from Luke.

Luke 2:34-35 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; [35] (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

^what that says to me is Jesus Christ was set for two major things foretold of: For the fall and rising again of many, and for a sign to be spoken against.

the crucifixion to bring down every vain imagination that exalts itself above God, where the rich that says he has no need of God should rejoice in that he is brought low, — and to lift those low of heart (setting those captive free) where the poor man should rejoice in that he is raised up. This child is set for this: “For the fall” (death and burial) and “rising again” (resurrection) of many in Israel.

“As a sign” to be spoken against. All we have to do is read what all they accused him of. And also how he is vilified even unto today. 1 Peter 4:14 If you be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are you; for the spirit of glory and of God rests upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Maybe that is the sign of the son of man you asking about …a sign spoken against?
Galatians 5:11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Good question. I don’t know but considering
Luke 11:29-30 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. [30] For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Confusing should we seek after a sign?

Nothing confusing at all, the context clearly states when you see the "Signs" of verse 29 below, Sun, moon, stars falling, heaven shaken, the "Second Coming" is at the very doors as explained in verse 33 below, simple, clear, easy to understand.

Matthew 24:29-33KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Nothing confusing at all, the context clearly states when you see the "Signs" of verse 29 below, Sun, moon, stars falling, heaven shaken, the "Second Coming" is at the very doors as explained in verse 33 below, simple, clear, easy to understand.

Matthew 24:29-33KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Not if it’s literal stars falling ….

 

[Marty fox]

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Hello good sir notice that its the sign of the Son of man and not the Son of man so option one is ruled out.

 

[Marty fox]

Since the sign of Johan was Jesus raising from the dead after 3 days which proved that Jesus was God, then the prediction by Jesus of the destruction of Jerusalem happening when Jesus said that it would happen (within that generation) in Matthew chapter 24 also was the sign of the Son of man once again proving that Jesus was God.

 

[Marty fox]

The sign that the Pharisees were asking for is the proof that Jesus was the son of God. But Jesus said the only sign you will see is his death and resurrection, which would be too late for them. But the sign in Matthew 24:30 is talking about his return in Judgment against them.

It wouldn't of necessarily of been be too late for them as they still could of obtained salvation just like Paul did.

The same with this scenario in the Olivet discourse. When Jerusalem was destroyed by the romans in 70AD some of the non-believers that survived would have realized that Jesus was God and converted. I believe that's one of the reasons that Jesus gave this dated prediction.

 

[quietthinker]

I think it is saying the same thing in a different way.

I have also thought it is a pointer as a sign is, in the sense that Jesus arrival will be seen as coming from a distance and getting progressively closer and brighter till the whole sky is filled with billions of angelic beings escorting their Prince and ours

 

[grafted branch]

Since the sign of Johan was Jesus raising from the dead after 3 days which proved that Jesus was God, then the prediction by Jesus of the destruction of Jerusalem happening when Jesus said that it would happen (within that generation) in Matthew chapter 24 also was the sign of the Son of man once again proving that Jesus was God.

Yea, and I would say Jerusalem being surrounded by armies was a “sign”.

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It is the fact he comes down from heaven, as opposed to those on earth proclaiming themselves Messiahs who are bringing in the Kingdom of God on earth. For example, the Nazis proclaimed themselves the 3rd Reich, a German Millennial Kingdom/Empire.

There have also been Christian movements claiming to be God's Kingdom realized on the earth now, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Kingdom Now people. These are errors ranging from heterodox to semi-orthodox.

Daniel saw the Messiah as the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds of heaven. And that, my friends, is the SIGN.

 

[quietthinker]

Daniel saw the Messiah as the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds of heaven. And that, my friends, is the SIGN.

I would agree with this.

 

[Douggg]

The sign of the Son of Man in heaven will be Jesus, sickle in hand. The sixth seal event in Revelation 6:12-17 is about the appearance of the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

 

[quietthinker]

The sign of the Son of Man in heaven will be Jesus, sickle in hand. The sixth seal event in Revelation 6:12-17 is about the appearance of the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.


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sickles Dougg, are metaphors as are swords in the mouth and a raft of other descriptors.
....and by the way, the picture shows a scythe.

 

[grafted branch]

Daniel saw the Messiah as the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds of heaven. And that, my friends, is the SIGN.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Isn’t this verse telling us that the Son of man came with the clouds to the Father (Ancient of days)?

 

[quietthinker]

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Isn’t this verse telling us that the Son of man came with the clouds to the Father (Ancient of days)?

yes it is.