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[Lizbeth]

No good posting a commentary,that’s just intellectual knowledge, we need God’s Spiritual knowledge, that’s why you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...Born Of The Spirit...not hearing the gospel..

I explained to you earlier that if you have supernatural faith it will grow in spiritual knowledge ...if you heard the gospel, then you are the one acting on what you heard..,different level of faith, which is limited in its understanding of spiritual matters...
Don’t you know in your spirit, that the Spirit is at work in you?..the moment your spirit was reborn?

The Spirit penetrates the heart/spirit, his seed takes up permanent residence in our spirit...i see a lot of posts on believing in Jesus...the word says.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..Only Gods seed ( Living) can testify that truth to our spirit..,a Living spiritual birth...

One should know 100% in their spirit, that they have been birthed by the Living Spirit, “permanently” I hear lots of testimonies on what one thinks it means to be Born Again, plus some post scripture and think it means that they are Born Again.,unfortunately none of what they post lines up with Gods word..on how we are Born Of The Spirit...= by supernatural , divine, heart revelation.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.thats how we are Born Again, just like Jesus explains to Nicodemus....not by hearing...one may have some sort of faith by hearing the gospel, they act on what they heard,it’s not the same as the gift of supernatural faith...,that’s on another level of faith...a level that only God can perform supernaturally via his Holy Spirit...God performs the Living supernatural birth....a miracle birth that blows the mind...no one cannot choose that I’m afraid...

After being born again we still continue to need spirit ears to hear the truth, sis. Pro Deo and Amigo are setting forth some wonderful and much needed truths if we have ears to hear it. We must believe in Jesus Christ by faith to be saved/born again......it doesn't say anywhere that we need to believe in the Spirit to be saved/born again. We must believe in Jesus in order to receive His Spirit, which is the spirit of the Word made flesh which causes us to be born again and gives us revelation of the word/gospel...meaning He plants it in us, the seed of His word/gospel (as per the parable of the farmer sowing seed).

The emphasis of scripture is on Christ....it is all pointing to Him....and likewise the Holy Spirit glorifies and teaches of Christ and reveals Christ's/God's will........there is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved, the name of Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit. And the Spirit glorifies Christ, so that is what we should do...give glory to Jesus Christ, not to the Spirit per se.

Whose Spirit is it? So that is who we need to give glory to, to the one whose spirit it is and who paid a very heavy price and gave up His spirit so that it could be poured out and given to us. We can and should be thankful to God/Christ for sending His Spirit and love and welcome His Spirit, but the glory is God's/Christ's. Your spirit is not separate from the person of Ritajanice, and my spirit is not separate from me, and Christ's spirit is likewise not a separate entity from the person of Christ:

1Co 2:11

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Overemphasis of one element of truth at the expense of other elements of the truth........is always error, sister. That is what the carnal mind overwhelmingly tends to do. We need the spiritual mind of Christ to grasp the whole counsel of God on a matter, and to hold to a right balance on things, so to speak.

 

[Ritajanice]

just remember no faith , supernatural or not would preach contrary to Christ .
Who did remind those who failed to beleive ON HIM , and reminded Even his own apostels
about those who failed to beleive on HIM , TO shake the dust off it will be far worse for them than ever it was for Sodom .
In other words if anyones faith is leading them into inclusivity interfaith the broad road lovey do
IT AINT FAITH at all , tis a death sentence leading only to the second death .
ER apostel and others preached THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

Your obsession with belief and your instant preaching to me, is quite honestly concerning..with respect you are a Bible basher..,sorry Brother, out Of respect and for my own sanity, I’m going to put you on ignore...letting you know, as were friends and I don’t want you to think I’m purposely ignoring you...

My spirit needs life giving food from the Spirit Of God..

Not your religious clap trap.,God Bless.

 

[Behold]

I like to be stimulated in my spirit, listening to Spirit talk...Loving those who are in so much darkness/ sin..God wants me to Love others through his Spirit.,.bye..

God does not lead people (you) to become a Calvinist.

"discern" that., while you still can.

 

[Behold]

My spirit needs life giving food from the Spirit Of God..

Your hyper - Calvinism theology you spread...., is not from the Spirit of God.

God is not a Calvinist.
God Hates Calvinism because it denies the Cross and is this......Galatians 1:8

Remember that.....

 

[amigo de christo]

If you constantly have to believe in Jesus, makes no sense to me.

The Living Holy Spirit testifies to my spirit all day every day that I am Born /AGain and a child of the most high.

The living Holy Spirit testifies of JESUS the CHRIST . those who beleive are the born again .
The living HOLY SPIRIT does through the beleivers of Christ , that which is well pleasing to GOD .
And sin is not . The thing is
that many can even cliam what i just said or what you just said
and yet walk in darkness as its naught but lip service . The key is the true born again believer
both has confessed JESUS is the CHRIST and By the SPIRIT they do what is pleasing to GOD through faith IN JESUS THE CHRIST
whom GOD did send .
This is why i often say folks had better examine themselves to see what JESUS it is they been following .
Many can lip some right things rita and yet be using them truths to NOT POINT TO THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST
but rather to imply some other idea that actaully denies HIM . There are some too who can try and point to Christ
and even claim they are born again , and yet they walk in and embrace sin . YES rita they love money
or they hold rainbows , or they believe lies .
Always remember that if any uses scripture but when they use scripture
they use it to deny CHRIST , THEY LIE . truth points to TRUTH not to a lie . AND telling other religoins
and other folks surely ye shall not perish if one believes not JESUS is the CHRIST , IS A LIE FROM THE DEVIL rita .
Lets close with an example shall we .
GOD is love , GOD desires none to perish.
satans version of this would try and imply that BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE and BECAUSE GOD desires none to perish , WELL , NONE WILL .
A LIE that trods THE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , right under foot .
NOW for the right way to use scripture .
GOD IS LOVE , GOD DOES DESIRE none to perish , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON so that all who do beleive would NOT perish
but have everlasting life .
SEE THE DIFFERENCE . both was the same scripture , but satans way pointed to DEATH
and the TRUE WAY pointed to , JESUS THE CHRIST , LIFE ETERNAL .

 

[Ritajanice]

After being born again we still continue to need spirit ears to hear the truth, sis. Pro Deo and Amigo are setting forth some wonderful and much needed truths if we have ears to hear it. We must believe in Jesus Christ by faith to be saved/born again......it doesn't say anywhere that we need to believe in the Spirit to be saved/born again. We must believe in Jesus in order to receive His Spirit, which is the spirit of the Word made flesh which causes us to be born again and gives us revelation of the word/gospel...meaning He plants it in us, the seed of His word/gospel (as per the parable of the farmer sowing seed).

The emphasis of scripture is on Christ....it is all pointing to Him....and likewise the Holy Spirit glorifies and teaches of Christ and reveals Christ's/God's will........there is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved, the name of Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit. And the Spirit glorifies Christ, so that is what we should do...give glory to Jesus Christ, not to the Spirit per se.

Whose Spirit is it? So that is who we need to give glory to, to the one whose spirit it is and who paid a very heavy price and gave up His spirit so that it could be poured out and given to us. We can and should be thankful to God/Christ for sending His Spirit and love and welcome His Spirit, but the glory is God's/Christ's. Your spirit is not separate from the person of Ritajanice, and my spirit is not separate from me, and Christ's spirit is likewise not a separate entity from the person of Christ:

1Co 2:11

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Overemphasis of one element of truth at the expense of other elements of the truth........is always error, sister. That is what the carnal mind overwhelmingly tends to do. We need the spiritual mind of Christ to grasp the whole counsel of God on a matter, and to hold to a right balance on things, so to speak.

Sis, thank you for your post..unfortunately you are all on the same level of faith.

I’m on a different level and being honest I don’t understand a lot of what you post, for me, it’s like your telling a story of the Bible from your own perspective...

I don’t see much Spirit talk.,,that’s what I crave, Living Spirit talk..,not religion Sis, that’s what I see when I read your posts..,it bores me.,.,I’m not interested in Bible stories..I will leave it there..I may put you on ignore also and @Marvelloustime ..as imo, all I get from you is religion..no testimony of the Living God...enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Lizbeth]

If you constantly have to believe in Jesus, makes no sense to me.

The Living Holy Spirit testifies to my spirit all day every day that I am Born /AGain and a child of the most high.

Hmmm, sister.....I hope this is just a matter of the limitations of communication......if the Spirit one has received doesn't also and primarily testify and give witness to JESUS CHRIST, then I might wonder what spirit they have. The Holy Spirit didn't come to glorify "us" in this sense, but to glorify Christ who gave us HIS Spirit of adoption which is what made us children of the Most High. It's not all about us, it's about HIM. But if it is we who are making it all about us, then we would need a course correction on that.

 

[Ritajanice]

which is the spirit of the Word made flesh which causes us to be born again and gives us revelation of the word/gospel

This is definitely unbiblical and you have the darn cheek to accuse @Episkopos of being dangerous...good grief what spirit have you knowledge of...it certainly ain’t the Holy Spirit...you are now on ignore..your confusion is concerning, good day, thank God for the gnome button...

 

[Ritajanice]

Hmmm, sister.....I hope this is just a matter of the limitations of communication......if the Spirit one has received doesn't also and primarily testify and give witness to JESUS CHRIST, then I might wonder what spirit they have. The Holy Spirit didn't come to glorify "us" in this sense, but to glorify Christ who gave us HIS Spirit of adoption which is what made us children of the Most High. It's not all about us, it's about HIM. But if it is we who are making it all about us, then we would need a course correction on that.

Your testimony is non biblical on how one is Born Of The Spirit..you’re in utter confusion...no more from me to you.

Praise God for the gift of discernment.

@Episkopos you have my sympathy discussing with these religionists...taken a while for discernment to kick in for me.,,I can’t believe what I’m reading..all 3 are on ignore!

 

[Behold]

Your testimony is non biblical on how one is Born Of The Spirit..you’re in utter confusion.

You have told many members that they have no spiritual discernment, and can't understand "born of the spirit".

Yet you are the one in Spiritual Ignorance, along with Episkopos..... who do not understand HOW God gives the new birth.

You, in particular along with Brightframe and Ronald Nolette.... are completely deceived Calvinists,...ALL teaching this Hyper Calvinism DUNG, and believe its "of God".

Sad.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Bible says that merely religious people, who deny the reality of God, are being misled. Pursuing religion for its own sake instead The Bible says that merely religious people, who deny the reality of God, are being misled. Pursuing religion for its own sake instead of seeking to know the living God, is like pursuing phantoms and grasping at shadows. But, as the Bible says: “This is life eternal, that you know God and His son whom He sent—Jesus.”, .”

 

[amigo de christo]

After being born again we still continue to need spirit ears to hear the truth, sis. Pro Deo and Amigo are setting forth some wonderful and much needed truths if we have ears to hear it. We must believe in Jesus Christ by faith to be saved/born again......it doesn't say anywhere that we need to believe in the Spirit to be saved/born again. We must believe in Jesus in order to receive His Spirit, which is the spirit of the Word made flesh which causes us to be born again and gives us revelation of the word/gospel...meaning He plants it in us, the seed of His word/gospel (as per the parable of the farmer sowing seed).

The emphasis of scripture is on Christ....it is all pointing to Him....and likewise the Holy Spirit glorifies and teaches of Christ and reveals Christ's/God's will........there is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved, the name of Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit. And the Spirit glorifies Christ, so that is what we should do...give glory to Jesus Christ, not to the Spirit per se.

Whose Spirit is it? So that is who we need to give glory to, to the one whose spirit it is and who paid a very heavy price and gave up His spirit so that it could be poured out and given to us. We can and should be thankful to God/Christ for sending His Spirit and love and welcome His Spirit, but the glory is God's/Christ's. Your spirit is not separate from the person of Ritajanice, and my spirit is not separate from me, and Christ's spirit is likewise not a separate entity from the person of Christ:

1Co 2:11

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Overemphasis of one element of truth at the expense of other elements of the truth........is always error, sister. That is what the carnal mind overwhelmingly tends to do. We need the spiritual mind of Christ to grasp the whole counsel of God on a matter, and to hold to a right balance on things, so to speak.

always remember blessed are you when men shall seperate you from their company for HIS name sake .
Though we , as paul , do weep for them . For the most part we have experienced a light measure of this
but it will get worse sister for us in the west . just keep marchin onwards in the LORD .
What we are up against is what john and the other apostels had been . That which is of anti christ
has come to supplant another gospel unto this people . and that gospel WILLL NOT preach BELIEVE
not IN CHRIST anway . By grace , as you know , i have long warned us what this other love inclusive
interfaith lie was gonna do . What we are witnessing is the manifestation of this RISING UP to BIG LEVELS
now within even Christedom itself . We are witnessing a pattern IDENTICAL to what came upon NATURAL JERSUALEM
and led to its destruction . ONLY ITS WITHIN and happening unto EVEN CHRISTENDOM NOW

 

[Lizbeth]

Sis, thank you for your post..unfortunately you are all on the same level of faith.

I’m on a different level and being honest I don’t understand a lot of what you post, for me, it’s like your telling a story of the Bible from your own perspective...

I don’t see much Spirit talk.,,that’s what I crave, Living Spirit talk..,not religion Sis, that’s what I see when I read your posts..,it bores me.,.,I’m not interested in Bible stories..I will leave it there..I may put you on ignore also and @Marvelloustime ..as imo, all I get from you is religion..no testimony of the Living God...enjoy the rest of your day.

More lack of balance here sister. We don't need the testimonies of men nearly as much as we need the teachings and testimonies of scripture. How do we even weigh and test testimonies if we reject and are ignorant of the word of God? "Bible stories"...?...really?.....it's so sad that anyone can speak with such disdain about the words of the Almighty, and it makes me concerned for them.

You know, it's pretty revealing if someone has a habit of automatically assuming there is fault with what is being brought instead of at least questioning maybe they are the one who is just not "hearing" what is being said.

 

[Behold]

religion for its own sake instead of seeking to know the living God, is

Religion is man's attempt to try to reach God or become God, based on their own effort.

Christianity, is GOD become One of Us, to redeem all of us........on The Cross....

John 3:16

2 Corin 5:19

 

[Lizbeth]

Your obsession with belief and your instant preaching to me, is quite honestly concerning..with respect you are a Bible basher..,sorry Brother, out Of respect and for my own sanity, I’m going to put you on ignore...letting you know, as were friends and I don’t want you to think I’m purposely ignoring you...

My spirit needs life giving food from the Spirit Of God..

Not your religious clap trap.,God Bless.

It might help to take things slowly, one sentence at a time, if you have trouble with reading sis. Otherwise it might be overwhelming. I get overwhelmed sometimes and often can't keep up with all the posts anymore.

 

[amigo de christo]

More lack of balance here sister. We don't need the testimonies of men nearly as much as we need the teachings and testimonies of scripture. How do we even weigh and test testimonies if we reject and are ignorant of the word of God? "Bible stories"...?...really?.....it's so sad that anyone can speak with such disdain about the words of the Almighty, and it makes me concerned for them.

You know, it's pretty revealing if someone has a habit of automatically assuming there is fault with what is being brought instead of at least questioning maybe they are the one who is just not "hearing" what is being said.

have you noticed that todays evanglism and testimonies from much peoples and churches
sure seems to NOT focus at all about THE NEED TO BELEIVE
on CHRIST JESUS
but rather testimonies and experiences as it overlooks and now even goes after those who preach and remind of the DIRE NEED
to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
rather than testifying OF HIM , they testify of what they THINK is SPIRITUAL and oF THE SPIRIT .
yet upon examination i see they often attack those who remind of the dire need TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
The church reminded its own , TO CONTINUE to HOLD FIRM the gospel . NOT be moved away FROM that HOPE .
The gospel i seen them preach and REMIND THE CHURCH about
IS this ONE . THAT IF YE SHALL BELIEVE GOD ROSE CHRIST FROM THE DEAD and SHALL CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH
you shall be saved . TAKE NOTE the WORD BELIEVE and CONFESSION OF CHRIST is in that GOSPEL
while ITS NOT IN THS ONE many now preach .
The SPIRIT ,as you said, does TESTIFY OF JESUS THE CHRIST , HIS WORDS , HIS TRUTH . The SPIRIT
would testify OF ALL THINGS HE DID SAY , ,not try and omit things while using the phrase BE YE SPIRITUAL .
Something is going amiss big time sister .

 

[Episkopos]

So much of what I read on my threads in response to what I write is from another spirit.."Mammon" the god of personal benefit. The "What can I get out of Jesus for myself"? attitude. The correct "sounding" dogmatism that tickles the ear. Looking for the correct sounding formula to salvation that is without power or reality. But it "sounds" good to the uncrucified outer man because of what is expected can be gained for it. What a surprise awaits these. Can people not discern that a figurative grasp of the bible...based in theory and religious ideology..is shallow and pointless? Vanity. And if I speak the truth in reality, people get in a big snit...relying on that other spirit to calculate how precious they are, and how much God wants to preserve them in their present fallen condition. These see the bible as a menu, not a word that brings with it conviction and responsibility...literally.


Many follow another Jesus...Jesus Barabbas...who was set free, pardoned, to continue in sin. And he would extend that same freedom from the law to others. People want to be forgiven, being not responsible for their actions...not sacrificed like the true Christ. Look at the twisting of the bible to make it about them. These will lie and say it's NOT about them. No, it's about how they point to the Christ who covers up their sins for them. It's all about Him....they say smugly. How two-faced can a person be? Don't people realize that such idle words will be judged severely? More severely than murderers...doing terrible things with the words of the Lord.

The cross is something to die on. It is not about forgiveness...it's about the death of the sin nature. Pointing to the cross for personal benefit is not the same as following Christ to be crucified with Him. Claiming to be born again by claiming Jesus for oneself flies in the face of an actual spiritual rebirth that opens up the heavens and makes people ashamed of their carnal actions. No such shame here. No such testimony of the limitless power of love and peace that one experiences in Christ. No, that is seen as "figurative"....a religious theory to weaponize and use on whoever doesn't jump through the same deluded hoops as they do. The devil uses uncrucified people to not only not enter into the kingdom realm themselves....but to mock those who do or are willing to surrender all to Christ.

Real disciples don't grandstand and say things that come from a self-motivated justification for virtue signalling as many do here. But these have nothing to compare an actual disciple to. They refuse anything that doesn't come with a ready-made lip-service meant to self-justify. How poor and wicked.

I rebuke the lot of you.

Yet I am not discouraged. I hold out a hope that a few will turn away from dead religion to serve the living God. A few may one day turn from their own religious ways and actually be permitted to see the kingdom of God. The time for shame is right now...to avoid the eternal shame that awaits those who are self-satisfied with their religious facades. Just one minute in Zion would forever change the attitude of many here. This is my prayer for you. But where is the fear of the Lord? The harmful doctrines have long eliminated what can actually save a person from the hard judgment of God.

 

[Lizbeth]

Your testimony is non biblical on how one is Born Of The Spirit..you’re in utter confusion...no more from me to you.

Praise God for the gift of discernment.

@Episkopos you have my sympathy discussing with these religionists...taken a while for discernment to kick in for me.,,I can’t believe what I’m reading..all 3 are on ignore!

You might notice and wonder why Epi doesn't hit "like" on most of your posts sister, before deciding you two are in much agreement. And be aware that he has teachings and ideas you might not be aware of yet.

Of course we are born of the Spirit....nobody is disagreeing with that and I'm sure it is also the testimony of the people on this thread, that I can discern......which means to be born of Christ,, because it is HIS Spirit. His body was broken and pierced, the veil in the temple (representing His flesh) rent in twain, that we might be birthed of Him, which natural childbirth is also a picture of, and many mothers have died giving birth too. So the glory goes to HIM, to Christ. But after being born again we keep learning and growing and don't just remain camping out where we were at the beginning of our faith and walk.

But I think maybe there is too much coming at you at once right now, so I will cease and desist.

 

[Lizbeth]

have you noticed that todays evanglism and testimonies from much peoples and churches
sure seems to NOT focus at all about THE NEED TO BELEIVE
on CHRIST JESUS
but rather testimonies and experiences as it overlooks and now even goes after those who preach and remind of the DIRE NEED
to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
rather than testifying OF HIM , they testify of what they THINK is SPIRITUAL and oF THE SPIRIT .
yet upon examination i see they often attack those who remind of the dire need TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
The church reminded its own , TO CONTINUE to HOLD FIRM the gospel . NOT be moved away FROM that HOPE .
The gospel i seen them preach and REMIND THE CHURCH about
IS this ONE . THAT IF YE SHALL BELIEVE GOD ROSE CHRIST FROM THE DEAD and SHALL CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH
you shall be saved . TAKE NOTE the WORD BELIEVE and CONFESSION OF CHRIST is in that GOSPEL
while ITS NOT IN THS ONE many now preach .
The SPIRIT ,as you said, does TESTIFY OF JESUS THE CHRIST , HIS WORDS , HIS TRUTH . The SPIRIT
would testify OF ALL THINGS HE DID SAY , ,not try and omit things while using the phrase BE YE SPIRITUAL .
Something is going amiss big time sister .

Amen, exactly! Out of balance in so many places I think brother. We can be out of balance in either direction. Either neglect the Spirit or neglect Christ and His word, when we always need BOTH !!

 

[TigersPaw]

Many Churches end up creating their own Trinity. Pastor, Elders and Staff.
Their is a very clear definition between Christian and Christ Follower.
And many follow blindly the church, not Christ.
Its as if they try and control the salvation process. It will come, when you do.
God gives you a contract to sign, you either do or don't.