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Ritajanice

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Epi's doctrine is out of whack in some very important areas. But I didn't know you have to be "somebody" in order to sound a warning. Even my dog warns when someone comes near my front porch. And even a donkey thousands of years ago warned somebody.
Your opinion of Epi..not mine.
But ah sister, do you know what spirit you are of?
I am Born Of The Spirit, I know that 100% in my heart/ spirit.

Do you know God in your heart/ spirit? do you know that his seed remains in your spirit?

That’s where you need to know the word of God, through his Living messenger the Holy Spirit, only he can testify of Gods truth your heart/ spirit...no bible can do that, the Bible confirms, what the Spirit witnesses to our heart/ spirit.
This is sad to see. All I and others here have done is have care and concern for your soul.
You have no need to have care for my spirit, it’s in the Love Of Christ.
Well, I will leave you to the Lord. Who am I to care about anybody?
You and a few others have shown no love of God to Epi, who loves him as much as he loves us, you are a load of bullies!!..my opinion
 

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Epi is not i who judge . But allow me to show you of a man i know who does judge .
And who does this man i type about Judge . THE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
IF you would like to know the man who does such a thing
so as you can go and correct this man , well go to the mirror and remind that man
HOW DARE a man call JESUS a liar . Its not me hammering folks for remnding all of the dire need TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and that all is vain if one has NOT faith IN HIM . its you epi . you in deadly dire grave danger and you know it not .
You know you are a liar by accusing me of what you yourself are doing. Delusional. You read the bible and puff yourself up without knowing the One you say people need to believe things about. But you can't know Him...because you would have to let go of all your posturings and become like a child. You keep saying the same foolishness over and over...looking for approval from other deluded ones. The apostolic admonition is to believe INTO Christ...not just posture yourself and grandstand based on lip-service, saying we all need to recite the same religious mantra that has no connection to God. Know the Lord for real...that is far better, especially if you want to try correcting others. Where you agree with many here is in the dire need to remain carnal and argue from a self-preservation that God rejects. Your hypocrisy is very entrenched, like many others here and at large.
 
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LOL My doctrine is apostolic and therefore at odds with the outer man salvation scheme that will see so many rejected on judgment day. Will these be warned? Of course not. These babble on without fear thinking that others are just as in the dark about the bible as they are. Assuming and presuming has turned many aside to fables.. and fanciful imaginations. I'm a realist. And that realism has to do with an actual and literal experience with God in His holiness. And it's for that very reason that few understand the depth of what I'm saying. Let the flesh have its way for now. Let people consider themselves to be more than they are. Let people miss the truth entirely. Judgment is coming....but only the wise will fear and depart from all this iniquity.
Walk by faith, not by sight...........is an apostolic teaching, no? Do you comprehend the depth of that?
 

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You read the bible and puff yourself up without knowing the One you say people need to believe things about
That concerns me as well...I never see @amigo de christo Praising the Living Spirit Of God.

He’s always praising the Bible, it’s like an idol to him, that’s why I’ve backed away from him, I also see no spirit growth..just the same repeat show. It’s like listening to the same record over and over.
 

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I know Epi from another forum and apparently nothing has changed, still judging brothers and sisters while preaching sinless perfection, just watch the pattern, your friends who warn you are right.
Let us look at how often the apostels went around preaching the need to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
And to teach the things HE taught .
Many are now omitting the reminder of the dire need TO FIRST BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
They go about acting as though unbelievers who confess NOT JESUS is CHRIST
can somehow pick up their own cross . IN fact when i have warned some of the DIRE NEED to FIRST BELIEVE
ON JESUS the CHRIST or its all in vain , That gets called religoius dogma , ego and etc .
So i invite us all to go about and see in acts
in the gospels , in the letters and SEE what the apostels went around preaching .
A hint , YOU GONNA SEE them saying YE must BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST and expounding
on the truth . Some simply try and teach aspects about JESUS teachings YET seem to omit
the YA NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM part . we do realize that is but another gospel , a works
a do it ya self kinda thing .
 

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Let us look at how often the apostels went around preaching the need to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
And to teach the things HE taught .
Many are now omitting the reminder of the dire need TO FIRST BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
They go about acting as though unbelievers who confess NOT JESUS is CHRIST
can somehow pick up their own cross . IN fact when i have warned some of the DIRE NEED to FIRST BELIEVE
ON JESUS the CHRIST or its all in vain , That gets called religoius dogma , ego and etc .
So i invite us all to go about and see in acts
in the gospels , in the letters and SEE what the apostels went around preaching .
A hint , YOU GONNA SEE them saying YE must BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST and expounding
on the truth . Some simply try and teach aspects about JESUS teachings YET seem to omit
the YA NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM part . we do realize that is but another gospel , a works
a do it ya self kinda thing .
Love the Lord your God.

He doesn’t say Love the Bible with all your heart, mind and soul.

Are you in the Love Of God..,,or are you in Love Of the Bible?

Do you know the Love Of God permanently in your spirit?

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You know you are a liar by accusing me of what you yourself are doing. Delusional. You read the bible and puff yourself up without knowing the One you say people need to believe things about. But you can't know Him...because you would have to let go of all your posturings and become like a child. You keep saying the same foolishness over and over...looking for approval from other deluded ones. The apostolic admonition is to believe INTO Christ...not just posture yourself and grandstand based on lip-service, saying we all need to recite the same religious mantra that has no connection to God. Know the Lord for real...that is far better, especially if you want to try correcting others. Where you agree with many here is in the dire need to remain carnal and argue from a self-preservation that God rejects. Your hypocrisy is very entrenched, like many others here and at large.
I think most of us here understand that believing in Christ with faith not of our own is just the beginning of the journey........but we affirm and agree with the word of God that it IS a necessary beginning for salvation. There is not a soul of us here who is perfect and who doesn't still have some ground to take in our life and heart for the Lord, but I would be very careful of assuming and accusing people of only paying lip-service when you know nothing of their lives and the cost they have paid and are paying to follow the Lord. Wow. This is another demonstration of a lack of love and care and lack of ability to humble oneself to get underneath in order to lift souls up, but instead there is a constant flow of beating and hammering down of souls from someone thinking too highly of himself.
 
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Love the Lord your God.

He doesn’t say Love the Bible with all your heart, mind and soul.

Are you in the Love Of God..,,or are you in Love Of the Bible?

Do you know the Love Of God permanently in your spirit?

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Sister...why do keep pitting the bible against the one whose word it is? If you love God you will love every word that proceeds from His mouth.....not argue against it.
 

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Walking by religions beliefs and not by the Spirit in truth and power....do you realize the shallowness of this?
Missed my point as usual, or pretending to. We've gone over this ground before, but for one thing you dont' seem to grasp that the "realism" you boast in is not the whole story. "All things have been put under the feet of Christ, but we do not yet see all things put under His feet." Truly I hope you'll go and learn what that means sometime.
 

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LOL My doctrine is apostolic

That's too funny.

Your "doctrine" is a hybrid mix of your imagination, some Calvinism, some Mormonism, and some absolutely bizarre anti-NT concepts.

You'll never tell us the names of the heretics who wrote the commentaries that became your theology.., but if you did, you would be dong the members a favor.

You'll continue to pretend you "wrote it all" 'its all from me".. but that is not the truth, and you'll continue to hide your "instructors and their commentaries".

See you there @Episkopos
 
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That's too funny.

Your "doctrine" is a hybrid mix of your imagination, some Calvinism, some Mormonism, and some absolutely bizarre anti-NT concepts.

You'll never tell us the names of the heretics who wrote the commentaries that became your theology.., but if you did, you would be dong the members a favor.

You'll continue to pretend you "wrote it all" 'its all from me".. but that is not the truth, and you'll continue to hide your "instructors and their commentaries".

See you there @Episkopos
The bible you are trying to read and understand states the source of my knowledge and understanding. I have an anointing that teaches me the mysteries that cannot be understood unless the powers that block that understanding are taken away. There is a way that seems right unto a man... The bible was Inspired by the Holy Spirit and requires that same Spirit of truth to comprehend it at any depth.

Is this common knowledge among modern believers? No. In order to fill the pews the standard of Christ has been brought very low...to cater to the flesh. Of course not all people agree on WHAT flesh should be supported and granted life. People want to decide who is saved or not... in their indoctrinated opinion. And the flesh has different bents...So then one flesh fights the other flesh. The right wing flesh condemns the left wing flesh and vice versa.

As we see here.

But I don't come from any carnal bent...but a spiritual understanding based on an actual eternal kind of life. Unheard of in these perilous times.

So the right wing carnal mindset sees me as being too merciful. I'm not judgmental enough for these. And the left wing mindset sees my stating the narrowness of the higher walk as too fantastical and unrealistic. For these I am too judgmental. And there are those who are SOOOO religious that they take postulate both carnal views. That's how corrupted a mind can be and still claim to have an understanding of what they read about in the bible. God states..."they have not known My ways". And this is what I attest in those who are unable to endure the sound doctrine I teach.

No one can break the true doctrine that is based on eternal life and peace. All people can do is be broken upon it. Judgment is coming.
 
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The bible you are trying to read and understand states the source of my knowledge and understanding.

The NT you rejected, says that "The Cross of Christ is about Forgiveness of Sin".

So, you are only kidding yourself with your own Theology of utter Self Righteousness.

Thats a fact.

I have an anointing

Noone who is called by God, will ever teach against The Cross, and you have done this many times, by teaching that "The Cross is NOT about Forgiveness"..

Now, i expect you to try to do some damage control, as even someone like you can realize the blasphemy involved with denying The Finished Work of Jesus on The Cross, as God's Sacrifice for the Sin of the World.

However, if you now try to "redo" and "walk back your own posted online theology, so that you are not Denying The Cross..suddenly, then in that case....you only provide more specific evidence that you are a religious pretender, who is looking for attention, and will say and do anything to get it from real Believers.

But I don't come from any carnal bent...but a spiritual understanding based on an actual eternal kind of life. Unheard of in these perilous times.

There you go again.... The hyper religious hot air is massive in you, @Episkopos
Putting yourself above all other Christians, as if you are "chosen".
That you perceive of yourself in this light.....is, seriously flawed thinking., and certainly not rational.
Yet..., this type of fakery, false pretense,.... is so typical of people who are religious and Hyper Legalistic.

God states..."they have not known My ways". And this is what I attest in those who are unable to endure the sound doctrine I teach.

What you teach is anti-NT...., as its nullifies The Cross, and elevates your own Self Righteousness.

You are just one more Legalist, trapped in Self Effort to try to gain Righteousness, by performance.... which is impossible.
See...... if that could be done, then Jesus never Had to Die on the Cross, @Episkopos
 
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This episode is not about whether one is saved or not...all who have faith in Christ will indeed be saved. No, this is about the quality of that salvation, whether for glory and honour or else, for shame and dishonour. Do we even care about the outcome of our own spiritual race? What's it going to take to wake up from the deep sleep that has befallen the modern Church?

Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures)
Isaiah 41:10

אַל־תִּירָא כִּי־עִמְּךָ־אָנִי אַל־תִּשְׁתָּע כִּי־אֲנִי אֱלֹהֶיךָ אִמַּצְתִּיךָ אַף־עֲזַרְתִּיךָ אַף־תְּמַכְתִּיךָ בִּימִין צִדְקִי

"Fear not, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."

Context: God reassures Israel of His presence and protection amidst challenges, emphasizing His sustaining power.
Psalm 23:4

גַּם כִּי־אֵלֵךְ בְּגֵיא צַלְמָוֶת לֹא־אִירָא רָע כִּי־אַתָּה עִמָּדִי שִׁבְטְךָ וּמִשְׁעַנְתֶּךָ הֵמָּה יְנַחֲמֻנִי

"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me."

Context: The psalmist expresses trust in God’s guidance and comfort, even in the darkest moments of life.

Deuteronomy 31:6

חִזְקוּ וְאִמְצוּ אַל־תִּירְאוּ וְאַל־תַּעַרְצוּ מִפְּנֵיהֶם כִּי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ הוּא הַהֹלֵךְ עִמָּךְ לֹא יַרְפְּךָ וְלֹא יַעַזְבֶךָ

"Be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; He will not leave you or forsake you."

Context: Moses encourages Israel as they prepare to enter the Promised Land, assuring them of God’s unwavering presence.

New Testament (Greek Scriptures)
Matthew 10:28

καὶ μὴ φοβεῖσθε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεννόντων τὸ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι· φοβεῖσθε δὲ μᾶλλον τὸν δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα ἀπολέσαι ἐν γεέννῃ.

Translation: "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."

Context: Jesus teaches His disciples to fear God above man, reinforcing the eternal security of their souls in Him.

John 14:27

Εἰρήνην ἀφίημι ὑμῖν, εἰρήνην τὴν ἐμὴν δίδωμι ὑμῖν· οὐ καθὼς ὁ κόσμος δίδωσιν ἐγὼ δίδωμι ὑμῖν. Μὴ ταρασσέσθω ὑμῶν ἡ καρδία μηδὲ δειλιάτω.

"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
Context: Jesus comforts His disciples before His crucifixion, promising His peace and presence through the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:15

οὐ γὰρ ἐλάβετε πνεῦμα δουλείας πάλιν εἰς φόβον, ἀλλ’ ἐλάβετε πνεῦμα υἱοθεσίας, ἐν ᾧ κράζομεν· Ἀββᾶ ὁ πατήρ.
Translation: "For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, 'Abba! Father!'"

Context: Paul highlights the transformative relationship believers have with God, replacing fear with intimacy and trust.

2 Timothy 1:7

οὐ γὰρ ἔδωκεν ἡμῖν ὁ Θεὸς πνεῦμα δειλίας ἀλλὰ δυνάμεως καὶ ἀγάπης καὶ σωφρονισμοῦ.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-discipline."
Context: Paul encourages Timothy to embrace boldness in his ministry, grounded in the Spirit’s empowering work.

1 John 4:18

φοβος οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν τῇ ἀγάπῃ, ἀλλ’ ἡ τελεία ἀγάπη ἔξω βάλλει τὸν φόβον, ὅτι ὁ φόβος κόλασιν ἔχει· ὁ δὲ φοβούμενος οὐ τετελείωται ἐν τῇ ἀγάπῃ.

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."

Context: John emphasizes the transformative power of God’s love, which eliminates fear and assures believers of their secure standing.

Conclusion
These verses collectively affirm that believers do not need to live in fear, as God’s presence, love, and promises provide comfort, strength, and assurance. Through faith in Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, fear is replaced with peace, boldness, and confidence in God’s eternal care.

J.
 
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Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures)
Isaiah 41:10

אַל־תִּירָא כִּי־עִמְּךָ־אָנִי אַל־תִּשְׁתָּע כִּי־אֲנִי אֱלֹהֶיךָ אִמַּצְתִּיךָ אַף־עֲזַרְתִּיךָ אַף־תְּמַכְתִּיךָ בִּימִין צִדְקִי

"Fear not, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."

Context: God reassures Israel of His presence and protection amidst challenges, emphasizing His sustaining power.
Psalm 23:4

גַּם כִּי־אֵלֵךְ בְּגֵיא צַלְמָוֶת לֹא־אִירָא רָע כִּי־אַתָּה עִמָּדִי שִׁבְטְךָ וּמִשְׁעַנְתֶּךָ הֵמָּה יְנַחֲמֻנִי

"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me."

Context: The psalmist expresses trust in God’s guidance and comfort, even in the darkest moments of life.

Deuteronomy 31:6

חִזְקוּ וְאִמְצוּ אַל־תִּירְאוּ וְאַל־תַּעַרְצוּ מִפְּנֵיהֶם כִּי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ הוּא הַהֹלֵךְ עִמָּךְ לֹא יַרְפְּךָ וְלֹא יַעַזְבֶךָ

"Be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; He will not leave you or forsake you."

Context: Moses encourages Israel as they prepare to enter the Promised Land, assuring them of God’s unwavering presence.

New Testament (Greek Scriptures)
Matthew 10:28

καὶ μὴ φοβεῖσθε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεννόντων τὸ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι· φοβεῖσθε δὲ μᾶλλον τὸν δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα ἀπολέσαι ἐν γεέννῃ.

Translation: "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."

Context: Jesus teaches His disciples to fear God above man, reinforcing the eternal security of their souls in Him.

John 14:27

Εἰρήνην ἀφίημι ὑμῖν, εἰρήνην τὴν ἐμὴν δίδωμι ὑμῖν· οὐ καθὼς ὁ κόσμος δίδωσιν ἐγὼ δίδωμι ὑμῖν. Μὴ ταρασσέσθω ὑμῶν ἡ καρδία μηδὲ δειλιάτω.

"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
Context: Jesus comforts His disciples before His crucifixion, promising His peace and presence through the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:15

οὐ γὰρ ἐλάβετε πνεῦμα δουλείας πάλιν εἰς φόβον, ἀλλ’ ἐλάβετε πνεῦμα υἱοθεσίας, ἐν ᾧ κράζομεν· Ἀββᾶ ὁ πατήρ.
Translation: "For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, 'Abba! Father!'"

Context: Paul highlights the transformative relationship believers have with God, replacing fear with intimacy and trust.

2 Timothy 1:7

οὐ γὰρ ἔδωκεν ἡμῖν ὁ Θεὸς πνεῦμα δειλίας ἀλλὰ δυνάμεως καὶ ἀγάπης καὶ σωφρονισμοῦ.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-discipline."
Context: Paul encourages Timothy to embrace boldness in his ministry, grounded in the Spirit’s empowering work.

1 John 4:18

φοβος οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν τῇ ἀγάπῃ, ἀλλ’ ἡ τελεία ἀγάπη ἔξω βάλλει τὸν φόβον, ὅτι ὁ φόβος κόλασιν ἔχει· ὁ δὲ φοβούμενος οὐ τετελείωται ἐν τῇ ἀγάπῃ.

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."

Context: John emphasizes the transformative power of God’s love, which eliminates fear and assures believers of their secure standing.

Conclusion
These verses collectively affirm that believers do not need to live in fear, as God’s presence, love, and promises provide comfort, strength, and assurance. Through faith in Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, fear is replaced with peace, boldness, and confidence in God’s eternal care.

J.
This is an exercise in futility...contradicting the bible. An unlearned person will cite one side of a divine balance and deny the other. So you expose your own lack of understanding. You are trying to make the bible conform to your errant opinions.

Go ahead and not fear God like every rejected one will do. You will join into Christian feasts without fear...as Jude states. You will deny the wisdom of fearing God as something that preserves people. (saves them)

Perfect love casts out all fear. So are you claiming to be perfected in love? Are you a conduit of God's love in the world...with no impurities at all? I think you know that you are just looking for theological excuses to NOT obey the gospel.
 

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Proverbs 1:7 - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Job 28:28 - And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalms 33:8 - Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Proverbs 14:27 - The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Proverbs 14:26 - In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

Deuteronomy 10:12 - And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Psalms 111:10 - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalms 25:14 - The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Proverbs 3:7 - Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Psalms 86:11 - Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

Luke 1:50 - And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Psalms 34:9 - O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Proverbs 19:23 - The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

Philippians 2:12-13 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
 
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You will deny the wisdom of fearing God as something that preserves people. (saves them)

Nonsense., and of course you rejected Jesus on the Cross again.. by saying that FEARing GOD, "saves them".

Yet, the NT teaches that God said... "I have not given you the spirit of FEAR but of POWER, and of Love and of a Sound Mind".

So, God and them NT corrected your HERESY again.........same as usual.

So, you continue to prove that you and the BIBLE , specifically the NT, are not just un-acquainted but are Enemies.

Let me show you a simple truth..

"ONLY JESUS... SAVES"...

So, when you teach , as you just did that "Fear of God" "SAVES" then you are denying The Cross, again.

This is your ministry, ive noted, time and time again, @Episkopos
 

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Proverbs 1:7 - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Job 28:28 - And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalms 33:8 - Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Proverbs 14:27 - The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Proverbs 14:26 - In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

Deuteronomy 10:12 - And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Psalms 111:10 - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalms 25:14 - The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Proverbs 3:7 - Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Psalms 86:11 - Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

Luke 1:50 - And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Psalms 34:9 - O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Proverbs 19:23 - The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

Philippians 2:12-13 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Amen. I don't think that religious posturers will be able to see and read your post. At least not be able to agree and "believe" the truth.

I would add in a few more NT verses that show that the fear of the Lord is not just for OT believers.

Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 9:31Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

And for those who only listen to Pauline.

2 Cor. 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Heb. 12:28 “Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
 
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