Work out your own Salvation?

[Ritajanice]

It can often appear that the task at hand might in OUR OPINION , be making no progress .

Amen!!...it’s like the enemy gets in my head, telling me everything you have done for the past 4 yrs has been in vein....he’s a real pain at times....I just continue to trust and believe in God and wait for the fruits of my labour to be harvested...my weakness is being patient..

Psalms 128:2in Other Translations 2 You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you. 2 You will enjoy the fruit of your labor. How joyful and prosperous you will be! 2 You worked hard and deserve all you've got coming.

In Jesus Name..Amen!!.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!!...it’s like the enemy gets in my head, telling me everything you have done for the past 4 yrs has been in vein....he’s a real pain at times....I just continue to trust and believe in God and wait for the fruits of my labour to be harvested...my weakness is being patient..

cause the enemy wants to stop us sister . But KNOWN TO GOD are all things sister .
and as i wrote above and afore , WE JUST NEVER know WHO heard . sometimes we just dont know .
sometimes we might see it . but sometimes we dont . we just have to continue onward in the LORD speaking truth .

 

[Ritajanice]

Goodnight Brother @amigo de christo ...see you tomorrow. God willing.

 

[amigo de christo]

Goodnight Brother @amigo de christo ...see you tomorrow. God willing.

 

[IronMaiden]

Amen!!...it’s like the enemy gets in my head, telling me everything you have done for the past 4 yrs has been in vein....he’s a real pain at times....I just continue to trust and believe in God and wait for the fruits of my labour to be harvested...my weakness is being patient..

Psalms 128:2in Other Translations 2 You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you. 2 You will enjoy the fruit of your labor. How joyful and prosperous you will be! 2 You worked hard and deserve all you've got coming.

In Jesus Name..Amen!!.

Hi, sis. God gave you His only begotten Son, Jesus, to die for you and save you. All you need to do is believe in Him. He is the Savior of the world—Emmanuel, God with us.

 

[ProDeo]

Amen!!...it’s like the enemy gets in my head, telling me everything you have done for the past 4 yrs has been in vein....he’s a real pain at times...

If the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of his future.

 

[IronMaiden]

If the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of his future.

Amen. And the Truth will set you free!

 

[IronMaiden]

John 8:31-32 (NKJV) 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

 

[IronMaiden]

Amen!!...it’s like the enemy gets in my head, telling me everything you have done for the past 4 yrs has been in vein....he’s a real pain at times....I just continue to trust and believe in God and wait for the fruits of my labour to be harvested...my weakness is being patient..

Psalms 128:2in Other Translations 2 You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you. 2 You will enjoy the fruit of your labor. How joyful and prosperous you will be! 2 You worked hard and deserve all you've got coming.

In Jesus Name..Amen!!.

Rest in Christ’s grace, sister.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10 (NKJV) 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

 

[amadeus]

A Christian is already "brought through".

We have already passed .."from DEATH.... to LIFE".

If we have indeed passed from death to Life, we need to be Alive! We need to remain Alive!

We are already Born .. .again.

We already have Eternal Life.

Our sin is forgiven.

The born again are 'IN Christ".... "one with God", and seated in Heavenly Places"

The born again are already become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

I won't now get into the differences between us on these things. Those following Him will endure with Him to the end.

If you "quench the Spirit" then that is to no longer be able to hear Him.
He's still there, but you can't hear Him.

God may always be always everywhere, but those quenching the Spirit are unable to perceive His presence.

 

[Lizbeth]

A CHRISTian, can't stop being born again.

See, when a Christian believes that they can lose their salvation, then this means they do not believe that JESUS keeps them saved.

So then... who does?

The problem with trying to prove that you can lose your salvation, is that you are proving that you dont Trust in Christ to keep you saved..

So, whom do you trust in....... to KEEP You SAVED?

A.) Yourself.

So, that is broken faith.

That is : LEGALISM

Paul teaches that this is to be "fallen.... from Grace".

Those scriptures in Galations are specifically talking about going back under the Law and its ordinances. You are misapplying them - we are not talking about the Law here. But even then it proves believers CAN fall from grace by going back under the Law.....so it proves OSAS to be wrong in that alone. Going back under the Law is certainly not the only temptation that can result in falling away.

I trust the Lord full has the power to save and keep me. As long as I remain in Him. If I or anyone choose to live and walk outside of His keeping and blessing, that would be on us and wouldn't diminish the Lord's keeping and saving power one iota. He doesn't "keep" people against their will. It is written as a warning and example to us that God's people threw off the yoke and bolted from the Lord. A three fold cord is not EASILY broken, but it CAN break if we strain it far enough and long enough. What happened to Israel can happen to us, since the apostle rightly taught that those things happened unto them and were written for our ensample and admonishment. Why on earth do you think we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling if there is no possibility of falling away? That's a no-brainer i would have thought.. And take heed who thinks he stands lest he fall? Jesus spewing out the lukewarm? And so many other scrips. The bible DOES NOT teach us to take salvation for granted, on the contrary it warns and teaches the opposite. We are in a war and like any war there can be casualties. And the Lord even will give over His sinful "nation" to the "enemy" as punishment if the situation so requires and His longsuffering has come to an end. AKA strong delusion. This is not a drill.

Remember that the new testament letters were written to be read aloud in the churches to ordinary people who were mostly uneducated and not intellectual. No printed copies of those letters to take home and pore over and dissect either. Think all those warnings and admonishments are easily understandable (for the most part) just hearing them once and without having to try hard. Just the simple washing of the water of the word. They have power to cleanse and to keep if we just accept them as truth instead of trying to explain them away. They are for our good.

 

[Lizbeth]

Whoever has been Born Again of imperishable seed , that Living seed births our spirit into his, and as his word says, it liveth and abideth forever.

Sorry, Sis, once Born Again we can never be un- birthed...Spirit gives birth to spirit...once birthed, he can never leave our spirit, never.

A Born Again is under the authority of the Spirit, he’s our teacher/ helper, we are spirit children, ..from day one of our birth, he has started a work in us and will bring it to completion.

It grieves me to think that you think that the Spirit can leave us.

We are Born Of The Spirit, he doesn’t say he gives us the Spirit?..if he does I can’t find it.

Jesus Christ is that imperishable seed. He in us and we in Him. Christ in us the hope of glory. And He says IF we remain in Him He will remain in us. The seed itself is imperishable, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it will remain in everyone.

Salvation itself (being born again) is a gift, and there are many scriptures that speak of the Holy Spirit as being given, here is a sampling:

2Co 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2Co 5:5
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Gal 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith…….

Gal 3:22
……….But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

 

[amigo de christo]

If the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of his future.

If el diablo reminds a lamb of his past , REMEMBER Ye have been forgiven
and that THANKS TO GOD , to HIS MERCY , TO CHRIST JESUS
WHO BY HIM we have BEEN JUSTIFIED , made clean , made righteous , we have a solid HOME
a CITY that cannot be moved , paradise at our end . The future of a lamb
its final destination IS WONDERFUL . THANKS OF COURSE TO GOD and HIS CHRIST .
When el diablo reminds you that you are not worthy of this , Remember
that while ITS TRUE NOT A ONE OF US IS WORTHY of ETERNAL LIFE , OF the GRACE OF GOD
and that we all have earned the lake of fire , REMEMBER TO THANK GOD CONTINUALLY
for the free gift HE has given us IN CHRIST so as we would not have to face the wrath we SO earned .
And that BY CHRIST we now worship GOD as HE desires and has always desired to be worshipped .
SO on that note , DO REMEMBER GOD dont honor or justify any mans sins .
Meaning if ya jesus is HOLDING rainbows , hundred dolla bills yall , or supports any sin
IT AINT JESUS THE CHRIST . Thus it cannot save you .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus Christ is that imperishable seed. He in us and we in Him. Christ in us the hope of glory. And He says IF we remain in Him He will remain in us. The seed itself is imperishable, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it will remain in everyone.

Salvation itself (being born again) is a gift, and there are many scriptures that speak of the Holy Spirit as being given, here is a sampling:

2Co 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2Co 5:5
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Gal 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith…….

Gal 3:22
……….But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

John warned of this .
IF that which ye have heard from the beginning shall Remain in YOU , then YOU SHALL CONTINUE in the SON .
rather odd that today many have sold the true gospel of YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM
and that gospel no longer remains in them as they HEED INTERFAITHS LIE .
Many have come out for many were not of us sister . And to those who have been caught up
in any way with this dissumlation of interfaith MY ADVICE IS FLEE IT FAST lest it lead you to the LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus Christ is that imperishable seed. He in us and we in Him. Christ in us the hope of glory. And He says IF we remain in Him He will remain in us. The seed itself is imperishable, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it will remain in everyone.

Salvation itself (being born again) is a gift, and there are many scriptures that speak of the Holy Spirit as being given, here is a sampling:

2Co 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2Co 5:5
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Gal 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith…….

Gal 3:22
……….But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Beware lest there be in any of you an evil heart in departing from THE FAITH . but exhort one another daily lest any becomes hardened through the decietfulness of sin . s
PAUL WARNED THE CHURCH .
Ye therefore , brethern , seeing you KNOW THESE THINGS
before , beware LEST YOU also being led of the ERROR of the wicked
FALL from your own steadfastness . PETER warned the church .
And if any likes i can bring a TON of similiar reminders given by the BORN AGAIN
unto the church to remind them .
so allow me some parting words my dear sister , WHICH I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS SISTER
Ye therefore brethren seeing you KNOW the one true gospel
beware lest you being led by the error of the wicked interfaith FALL from your own steadfastness .
That which is of anti christ has come to gather the decieved to be as one and this delusion is on the rise .

 

[Marvelloustime]

well quench not the Spirit . Rita you are doing something many do . You forget that every word written
was for our good . You know full well i know its by the grace of GOD alone we are saved and by HIS grace are kept .
We both know that . We both KNOW tis GOD , HIS SPIRIT , the SPIRIT of CHRIST within us
that does lead and guide us . We both know its by GOD we are kept , kept safe , led .
What we might not both know is , THAT HIS SPIRIT would have us to embrace every single warning
every word , the promise , firm to the end .
What i mean is many are overlooking the very SPIRIT inspired warnings in that bible
that were the working of the SPIRIT through SPIRIT filled men that WOULD KEEP the church safe and thriving .
Rita it is written GOD will not forsake us . I BELIEVE THAT .
just as much as i believe what else the SPIRIT said . IF YE forsake me i will forsake you .
the problem is many are choosing to believe what men have taught .
And the problem is what many men have taught is fitting to what they desired to beleive
NOT TO THE WHOLE TRUTH . WHY on earth do you think paul wrote the church
and warned them of certain things . why DID PETER . why did they all warn about things
MEN have tried to water down the warnings . MEN have tried to create all sorts of things .
GOD warns cause HE DO LOVE , paul and the apostels warned because that same love as in them .
THEY all warned about having to continue . but men tried to down play the warning to make it mean something else .
I know paul was born again , i know peter was , jude was , james was . I seen their warnings .
Many men try and change them warnings . Many men twist things in romans as they do in other places like hebrews
in peter and other places . WHY . THEM WARNINGS are FOR OUR GOOD .
Many claim they trust IN JESUS but i sure dont seem to see them TRUSTING IN ALL THINGS HE SAID
or the apostels said . WHEN in truth them warnings are only for the good of the church .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

THAT is THE LOVE OF GOD sister .
And what were HIS COMMANDMENTS . many seem to omit the BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST part .
DONT SOUND LOVING TO ME at all . The plank of intefaith and of the love it has come to bring many IS IN THE EYES of many .
THEY do all to preach a love they believe is of GOD but that love is of the world . IT WILL NOT CORRECT SIN
it will not correct even the false religoins of the lie they are trapped under .
ITS LOVE is hate . IT leaves gays in sin , it leaves those in the church IN SIN and worse it even now leads and has led them
to the LIE . the lie that implies it dont matter if one believed JESUS IS THE CHRIST or not , what mattered
was did they do the golden rule . AND it aint even the golden rule they do .
THEY just LIP IT , claim it and yet preach a love of THE WORLD. THIS generation has been deceived big time .
IN this last hour , AND BOY HOWDY DO I SAY LAST HOUR , this delusion has come upon the decieved of christendom
and all the decieved . IT has come to UNITE THEM .
TO UNITE THEM as ONE under what the decieved will beleive is LOVE and of GOD .
The lambs AINT BUYING IT . THANKS BE TO GOD of course . but many DO .
no matter what this lamb gonna expose it and if that means the cost to me is loss and even the death of this body
THEN SO BE IT . Folks have no idea what the LOVE OF GOD TRULY IS . they have no idea love would warn
love would correct . THEY THINK ITS JUST LOVING and LOVE to hug the world to hell .
Many dont give a rip that GOD is being dishonored nor that the lie they so love is causing all that beleive that lie
to be damned . WELL I DO , by grace i do . No matter what happens to me sister , YOU MARCH ON full steam ahead
in the LORD . WE will all be together IN THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD on HIS DAY .
This life is but a vapor sister . AS YOU KNOW . they will come for those who warn , first , but they gonna come for us all sister .
What matters is not our life in this world , what matters is WHERE WE SPEND ETERNITY in the next . THIS lamb
GONNA POINT TO HE WHO ALONE ENSURES ETERNAL LIFE and PARADISE , A HOME in the heavens that awaits the lambs .
HIS EVERY WORD will be our meat . THE words of the apostels our meat as they TOO KNEW JESUS .
EVERY WORD Of TRUTH will be our meat . Lambs feast on green grass , not interfaith green sprayed dead grass .
OUR meat IS HIS WORD , our meat are HIS WORDS . THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK , THE SPIRIT IS OUR GUIDE
The CHRIST OF GOD OUR HOPE .

@amigo de christo

 

[RedFan]

A CHRISTian, can't stop being born again.

"Stop" being born again? What does that even mean? You beg the question of whether being born again is a one-time event (as I believe) or a lengthy process that can be "stopped" in the middle. If the former, being "stopped" is just nonsensical. It doesn't fit, any more than you can stop being hit by a bolt of lightning once it strikes you.

Once you are born again, you are born again. It can't be "stopped" because it happened in the past. So, to say a Christian can't stop being born again is nonsensical.

This is a different issue than, say, whether having been "born" again one can still "die" again (by rejecting Christ later on). A VERY different issue. And likely the one you had in mind when posting.

 

[Marvelloustime]

many claim to be born of his seed . But many have not been . that is what i am talking about .
and those born of the seed would remind those born of the seed of all things JESUS said and taught .
Keep the latter in mind as well .
Lets look again also at verse forty . MAN i see that WORD BELEIVE AGAIN . i sure dont see that word
coming from many lips today as i REMIND all , that all other religions are false and BELIEVE NOT HE IS the CHRIST .
Folks on this site even listen to EPI , WHO by his own confession is inclusivist .
Its odd . both me and epi expose the false hyper grace movement
and YET HE preaches something far more dangerous than the very hyper grace he does speak against .
Many can preach partial truths and SOUND very convincing .
VERY convincing . But when they put the cart before the horse and attack those who dare to remind
of the dire need to BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST , they are doing all in vain . all of it is in vain sister .
EERY last bit of it in vain
many can teach aspects of the golden rule , aspects of what CHRIST taught and yet NOT EVEN KNOW HIM .
the dire need of having to first believe on JESUS the CHRIST , that seems to be being removed FROM every
mindset no matter what other stuff they teach .
HAve ya noticed that yet . in other words it seems this generation spends all its time
trying to push another love , another idea , ideas about HOW folks will be saved EVEN IF THEY BELIEVE NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
ITS ALL I SEE in most now . Rather than PREACHING THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM
they air condition hell and speak about how we got good people in all religoins doing the best they can .
ITS ALL A PHARCE . Never forget WHO i point too and WHO I ALWAYS REMIND ALL of the absolute dire need
TO BELIEVE ON HIM . THERE is no false hope from this lamb . ITS JESUS i will point too . INCLUDING ALL HIS TEACHINGS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus Christ is that imperishable seed. He in us and we in Him. Christ in us the hope of glory. And He says IF we remain in Him He will remain in us. The seed itself is imperishable, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it will remain in everyone.

Not true....
New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever

Where does Gods seed live in you?

Who gave birth to your spirit?

A seed has to penetrate the soil to take root, the soil represents the heart, the Living Holy Spirit penetrates the heart/ spirit, takes up residence in his Born Again child’s heart/ spirit, permanently .

Our spirit must be Born Again, then we start the process of being led through the Bible who brings it to our understanding in our spirit...?

Without the Spirit we are nothing and know nothing, the Holy Spirit witnesses Gods truth to our spirit, we are Spirit led, we don’t lead ourselves through scripture.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit...he is the one who witnesses of Jesus out of my mouth,..I know nothing of Jesus, without Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Salvation itself (being born again) is a gift, and there are many scriptures that speak of the Holy Spirit as being given, here is a sampling:

2Co 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2Co 5:5
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Gal 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith…….

Gal 3:22
……….But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Don’t agree the imperishable seed is the Holy Spirit, not Jesus, Jesus isn’t on the earth today.

The Holy Spirit keeps us abiding in the true vine, we wouldn’t know how..you teach works I’m afraid Sis.

That’s why we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Our spirit must be birthed, permanently birthed by the Holy Spirit, a Born Again can never in a million years be un- birthed, impossible.
We have been birthed by the Spirit, therefore Gods seed remains in us....

The Holy Spirit indwells our spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = Living divine Spirit revelation birth..that is a birth that can’t be read into being, no matter how much we post scripture.

That’s why it’s called Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Plus only God can birth you via His Holy Spirit, man can’t choose to do that ,supernatural act..that’s by the mystery of Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, no one knows when the Spirit will birth us, because he’s like the wind, you will never know the time or place, one will be Born Of The Spirit.

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. Berean Literal Bible having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God, King James Bible Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. New King James Version having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,