Work out your own Salvation?
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Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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If a man honors NOT THE SON then i tell us all HE HONORS not the FATHER .
IF a man believes not the SON then i tell us all HE beleives not the FATHER .
IF a man has not the love of GOD , then HE CANNOT LOVE GOD with all HIS HEART
The love of GOD is SHED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT .
HE who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave , take heed reader that says GOD GAVE , of the SON
be callling GOD himself a liar . NO LIE is of the truth .
WHO is a liar , HE who DENIES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
He who uses the name of Christ to implant a lie to the peoples will pay a dear and heavy pricie for doing so .
He who uses the name of CHRIST to implant FALSE TESTIMONY of anti christ will pay and read a deadly price for doing so .
SO he who says , though he even be decked in wool , that there is no need TO HAVE TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and that our truth is no better than any other religons truth , IS A LIAR and doeth the work of anti christ
and knows it not . We better start pointing BACK TO JESUS AGAIN .
so allow me to sum up the GOLDEN RULE . AND I WILL DO SO BY the apostle johns own words .
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love your neighbor as yourself . Many seem to quickly forget
THE FIRST PART .
IF a man believes not the SON then i tell us all HE beleives not the FATHER .
IF a man has not the love of GOD , then HE CANNOT LOVE GOD with all HIS HEART
The love of GOD is SHED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT .
HE who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave , take heed reader that says GOD GAVE , of the SON
be callling GOD himself a liar . NO LIE is of the truth .
WHO is a liar , HE who DENIES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
He who uses the name of Christ to implant a lie to the peoples will pay a dear and heavy pricie for doing so .
He who uses the name of CHRIST to implant FALSE TESTIMONY of anti christ will pay and read a deadly price for doing so .
SO he who says , though he even be decked in wool , that there is no need TO HAVE TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and that our truth is no better than any other religons truth , IS A LIAR and doeth the work of anti christ
and knows it not . We better start pointing BACK TO JESUS AGAIN .
so allow me to sum up the GOLDEN RULE . AND I WILL DO SO BY the apostle johns own words .
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love your neighbor as yourself . Many seem to quickly forget
THE FIRST PART .
amigo de christo
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Marvelloustime
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Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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what on earth is that man talking about my friend . what does he mean by AFTER you pay your dues .
JESUS DONE PAID our dues . how can one pay his own dues BEFORE HE IS BORN AGAIN .
That sounds very scary .
Please explain that to that man . What dues must I PAY or a man PAY before HE can be born again .
That is deadly dangerous to teach or even imply . JESUS DONE PAID my dues long long ago
By grace i was led TO HIM was born again . Being born again cometh not of man BUT OF GOD .
piearac sounds very troubling my friend . How can a man be born again can he climb
back into his mothers womb . That which is of the SPIRIT ............
BEING BORN AGAIN COMETH of GOD , not man . GOD . you might want to remind him of this fact .
AND no born again person WOULD EVER call CHRIST accursed . THUS yah they dont follow false religoins
THEY confess and BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST . for by the SPIRIT can a man call HIM LORD . Born again
that cometh of GOD not man .
We need to try and stop rationalizing with the carnal mind so much and just accept the whole counsel of God on the matter. Faith and the Holy Spirit are given to us as a free gift in the beginning, but He who gave the Spirit can just as easily take it away if we grieve Him enough or abuse His grace. As He did with our example Israel, who we are supposed to take warning from. Ichabod...the glory has departed. And we saw Him depart the Temple (we are God's temple, true?) in Ezekiel. And we are also told that a general falling away would happen in 2 Thessalonians. We're well warned that the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour. There are so many scriptures that warn and exhort us brother, if we are willing to hear them. I call those harder to digest things meatier things of the word, as opposed to the milk.
Gal 6:7-9
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
amigo de christo
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HE wrote to THOSE who BELIEVED JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
me thinks this generation is in serious trouble .
Many seem to quoate only half measures .
Forgetting the entire dire necessary reminder that one must FIRST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
many like to even quoate parts of john but sure seem to forget
how he reminded all of the dire need TO beleive JESUS is the CHRIST .
many seem to like to remind folks about the golden rule even which says to LOVE GOD with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself
and yet seem to omit that which actuallly FULLFILLS THIS .
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TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love your neighbor as yourself .
IF they believe not JESUS is the CHRIST they love not GOD and thus cannot even see how to love their neighbor .
THEY have the PLANK of interfaith and of the lie IN THEY EYE . thus at most they do some good works
like feeding the poor and etc , But leave their neighbors in total darkness and a lie which ends in the second death .
TELL ME , HOW LOVING IT IS to allow them false religoins or any other to BELIEVE A LIE
by offering up a false love and false hope , WHEN THE END OF THEM WILL BE THE Seconddeath .
I DONT SEE ANY LOVE IN that . but there never is LOVE IN A LIE . NEVER .
Marvelloustime
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Marvelloustime
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Ritajanice
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Whoever has been Born Again of imperishable seed , that Living seed births our spirit into his, and as his word says, it liveth and abideth forever.
Sorry, Sis, once Born Again we can never be un- birthed...Spirit gives birth to spirit...once birthed, he can never leave our spirit, never.
A Born Again is under the authority of the Spirit, he’s our teacher/ helper, we are spirit children, ..from day one of our birth, he has started a work in us and will bring it to completion.
It grieves me to think that you think that the Spirit can leave us.
We are Born Of The Spirit, he doesn’t say he gives us the Spirit?..if he does I can’t find it.
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Behold
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A CHRISTian, can't stop being born again.
See, when a Christian believes that they can lose their salvation, then this means they do not believe that JESUS keeps them saved.
So then... who does?
The problem with trying to prove that you can lose your salvation, is that you are proving that you dont Trust in Christ to keep you saved..
So, whom do you trust in....... to KEEP You SAVED?
A.) Yourself.
So, that is broken faith.
That is : LEGALISM
Paul teaches that this is to be "fallen.... from Grace".
amigo de christo
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well quench not the Spirit . Rita you are doing something many do . You forget that every word written
was for our good . You know full well i know its by the grace of GOD alone we are saved and by HIS grace are kept .
We both know that . We both KNOW tis GOD , HIS SPIRIT , the SPIRIT of CHRIST within us
that does lead and guide us . We both know its by GOD we are kept , kept safe , led .
What we might not both know is , THAT HIS SPIRIT would have us to embrace every single warning
every word , the promise , firm to the end .
What i mean is many are overlooking the very SPIRIT inspired warnings in that bible
that were the working of the SPIRIT through SPIRIT filled men that WOULD KEEP the church safe and thriving .
Rita it is written GOD will not forsake us . I BELIEVE THAT .
just as much as i believe what else the SPIRIT said . IF YE forsake me i will forsake you .
the problem is many are choosing to believe what men have taught .
And the problem is what many men have taught is fitting to what they desired to beleive
NOT TO THE WHOLE TRUTH . WHY on earth do you think paul wrote the church
and warned them of certain things . why DID PETER . why did they all warn about things
MEN have tried to water down the warnings . MEN have tried to create all sorts of things .
GOD warns cause HE DO LOVE , paul and the apostels warned because that same love as in them .
THEY all warned about having to continue . but men tried to down play the warning to make it mean something else .
I know paul was born again , i know peter was , jude was , james was . I seen their warnings .
Many men try and change them warnings . Many men twist things in romans as they do in other places like hebrews
in peter and other places . WHY . THEM WARNINGS are FOR OUR GOOD .
Many claim they trust IN JESUS but i sure dont seem to see them TRUSTING IN ALL THINGS HE SAID
or the apostels said . WHEN in truth them warnings are only for the good of the church .
amigo de christo
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THAT is THE LOVE OF GOD sister .
And what were HIS COMMANDMENTS . many seem to omit the BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST part .
DONT SOUND LOVING TO ME at all . The plank of intefaith and of the love it has come to bring many IS IN THE EYES of many .
THEY do all to preach a love they believe is of GOD but that love is of the world . IT WILL NOT CORRECT SIN
it will not correct even the false religoins of the lie they are trapped under .
ITS LOVE is hate . IT leaves gays in sin , it leaves those in the church IN SIN and worse it even now leads and has led them
to the LIE . the lie that implies it dont matter if one believed JESUS IS THE CHRIST or not , what mattered
was did they do the golden rule . AND it aint even the golden rule they do .
THEY just LIP IT , claim it and yet preach a love of THE WORLD. THIS generation has been deceived big time .
IN this last hour , AND BOY HOWDY DO I SAY LAST HOUR , this delusion has come upon the decieved of christendom
and all the decieved . IT has come to UNITE THEM .
TO UNITE THEM as ONE under what the decieved will beleive is LOVE and of GOD .
The lambs AINT BUYING IT . THANKS BE TO GOD of course . but many DO .
no matter what this lamb gonna expose it and if that means the cost to me is loss and even the death of this body
THEN SO BE IT . Folks have no idea what the LOVE OF GOD TRULY IS . they have no idea love would warn
love would correct . THEY THINK ITS JUST LOVING and LOVE to hug the world to hell .
Many dont give a rip that GOD is being dishonored nor that the lie they so love is causing all that beleive that lie
to be damned . WELL I DO , by grace i do . No matter what happens to me sister , YOU MARCH ON full steam ahead
in the LORD . WE will all be together IN THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD on HIS DAY .
This life is but a vapor sister . AS YOU KNOW . they will come for those who warn , first , but they gonna come for us all sister .
What matters is not our life in this world , what matters is WHERE WE SPEND ETERNITY in the next . THIS lamb
GONNA POINT TO HE WHO ALONE ENSURES ETERNAL LIFE and PARADISE , A HOME in the heavens that awaits the lambs .
HIS EVERY WORD will be our meat . THE words of the apostels our meat as they TOO KNEW JESUS .
EVERY WORD Of TRUTH will be our meat . Lambs feast on green grass , not interfaith green sprayed dead grass .
OUR meat IS HIS WORD , our meat are HIS WORDS . THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK , THE SPIRIT IS OUR GUIDE
The CHRIST OF GOD OUR HOPE .
amigo de christo
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many trust in an acronym . as for me and this sister you falsely accuse , WE GONNA TRUST IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
WHICH MEANS HIS WORDS TOO . same paul who wrote ye have fallen from grace
ALSo warned the church about the dire need to behold BOTH the goodness of GOD and the severity
to continue IN HIS GOODNESS . Osas has twisted the warnings to fit its OWN TEACHING .
my problem with OSAS is IT does not even TRUST IN THE TRUE JESUS THE CHRIST . who warned EVEN HIS OWN
about the dire NEED TO continue to the end . Someone has been suckered big time . and those same ones
WONT EVEN HELP ME whom they accuse of being legalistic , TO DEFEND THE TRUE GOSPEL against satans interfaith LIE .
Rather ODD dont ya think .
amigo de christo
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Its got real bad . WHEN EVEN those who preach the dire need TO BELIEVE
are made to be seen as legalistic cause they say ONE MUST BELIEVE .
as though reminding all OF THE NEED TO BELIEEVE is legalism . folks you are being taken for a train ride .
That ride ends in perdition .
IF telling folks and reminding folks about the dire NEED TO BELIEVE is legalism
and about having to continue in him is a works , THEN WE GOT PROBLEMS big time .
LOOK at all the reminders of JESUS
count the times both he and the apostels USED the WORD BELIEVE , reminded the church about having to continue in HIM .
folks are being deceived and seem to love to have it so .
As for me , ANY and EVERY REMINDER in that bible IS MEAT FOR MY SOUL and works tothe good
of all who do hear and DO , hear and OBEY . oh dear i said the obey word , i must be a legalist.
JUST remember WHOM YE OBEY is whose SERVANTS YA ARE .
are made to be seen as legalistic cause they say ONE MUST BELIEVE .
as though reminding all OF THE NEED TO BELIEEVE is legalism . folks you are being taken for a train ride .
That ride ends in perdition .
IF telling folks and reminding folks about the dire NEED TO BELIEVE is legalism
and about having to continue in him is a works , THEN WE GOT PROBLEMS big time .
LOOK at all the reminders of JESUS
count the times both he and the apostels USED the WORD BELIEVE , reminded the church about having to continue in HIM .
folks are being deceived and seem to love to have it so .
As for me , ANY and EVERY REMINDER in that bible IS MEAT FOR MY SOUL and works tothe good
of all who do hear and DO , hear and OBEY . oh dear i said the obey word , i must be a legalist.
JUST remember WHOM YE OBEY is whose SERVANTS YA ARE .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Brother I have been Born Of God and his seed remains in me permanently.
You cannot forsake God, how can you when his seed remains in us?
We are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
There are no warnings for a Born Again in the Bible, none..what seed abides in you?
How do you know the seed abides in you?
Has your spirit been birthed?
Do you understand Spirit gives birth to spirit?
Do you understand that our spirit can never die?
Reading the Bible does not birth your spirit..if your spirt has been truly birthed by the Living Spirit, it can’t be un- birthed..just like a baby can’t go back in the womb after birth, neither can our spirit go back to being in darkness, we have been birthed and are in Gods Kingdom.
I am in the true vine grafted in by the Spirit Of God, not by my will, by Gods will.all according to his purpose and plan for my life....it’s ridiculous to think that our spirit can be un- birthed...
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Behold
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Ive not accused anyone.
And do realize that this member came to me.... posted to me.. .their verses that they try to present as evidence that Salvation is only as good as your BEHAVIOR.
They are trying to prove that they can lose their Salvation.
So, my response is..= When you do that, you are proving that you do not believe that Jesus keeps you saved...... as if you believe that Jesus keeps you saved, you wont be trying to prove that He doesn't.
See, when a person is trying to use verses to prove that Salvation can be LOST.....then that person is trying to prove that Jesus does not Keep us Saved.
That somehow the Blood, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus has FAILED US ALL !
Understand? ?
So, if Jesus doesn't keep you saved...., then WHO DOES ?
A.) There is only one Savior.....and that is not the person trying to keep from losing their Salvation.
TRUST is CHRIST Instead.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
And tell me how I can forsake him, when I have been Born Of His seed?
Whose Imperishable / incorruptible seed, have we been Born Again of..that liveth and abideth forever?
Jesus the Bread of Life
…38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. 39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of thoseHe has given Me, but raise them up at thelast day. 40For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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