Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

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ewq1938

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That was the end of the age of darkness, and the beginning of the age of light.

Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night.

That was a reference to death.


No death was already mentioned in Rev 21. The no night is in regard to NJ, due to the light of God there. Night would exist elsewhere around the world.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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Death was destroyed when the old covenant was destroyed. We know this because death is the result of sin, and sin is the result of the old covenant. Without the old covenant there is no sin, and therefore there is no death.
 

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The no night is in regard to NJ, due to the light of God there.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
You are right, but so am I. We are the New Jerusalem, and there is no night in us, because we have eternal life.
 

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Daniel 12 is a reference to 70 AD.

At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end.

I used to think "the end" was in our future, but I realize now that the end was referring to the end of night / old covenant / death. We are now living in the light.
 

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You are right, but so am I. We are the New Jerusalem, and there is no night in us, because we have eternal life.


We aren't NJ. It's a place that comes down from heaven where the Father and Son will dwell. The city is described as a literal city with walls and roads and it does not need the light of the sun because it has another light source.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Obviously this is not people.
 

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The resurrection happens at his coming. So if you believe his coming is in the future, then you must also believe the resurrection is in the future.
The resurrection is ongoing. The only future resurrection will be those alive out of Adam's dead flesh.

Why do posters here keep ignoring 2 Corinthians 5:1.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

The dead body in the ground is not resurrected. The soul already has a permanent body when it arrives in Paradise. There has been no soul waiting in Abraham's bosom for a resurrection, since the Cross. The only general resurrection at the Cross were the OT redeemed out of Abraham's bosom.

They were the firstfruits with Christ. Every redeemed soul since then of the second birth in Christ has already left for Paradise and given a new permanent incorruptible physical body.

The only one's waiting in death will be those alive on the earth at the Second Coming. Then those on earth meet with those from Paradise in the air and all are glorified. The total restoration of soul, body, and spirit.

That is the 5th Seal event when all are given white robes. Not some, ALL!

The 6th Seal is Jesus coming to earth to the Mount of Olives, the Second Coming. That is when Matthew 25:31 takes place. All the angels are on the earth, and Jesus is sitting on the throne in a Temple in Jerusalem. That is after Jesus totally changes the geography of the ME per Zechariah 14. No temple can be built until after that, since that is when there will literally be no stone left unturned. The whole area will be a level plain.

"All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

There is a difference in being made alive and resurrection. The whole point of being made alive is changing out of Adam's dead state. Since the Cross, the second birth is a form of being made alive. It is a symbolic type of resurrection. One to be distinguished from a physical resurrection out of one's grave. Jesus declared all flesh returns to dust, and was never declared to be resurrected. "Let the dead bury the dead." Only the soul is resurrected out of Abraham's bosom into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. That happened once at the Cross. Now it is ongoing and immediate when those in Christ leave the physical body from Adam.

So when Paul states they arise first, they are gathered with physical bodies from all over Paradise, and Jesus brings them with Him to meet us in the air. No one's dust is going to rise into the air. Only the souls placed into a new body will rise from the earth.

Then Jesus will reign for those thousand years given in Revelation 20, and then all will be handed back as all things were made alive. So all in their order would be the OT redeemed in Christ the firstfruits, then ongoing fruits. Then the Second Coming. Then the last step, all of creation made alive.

Paul was pointing out that the dead are raised, but not one single verse in this chapter declares a singular resurrection point. In fact the point:

"But every man in his own order"

Indicates not all at one single time. But most want to say that no one was resurrected at the Cross. That "Christ the firstfruits" does not mean they left Abraham's bosom and entered Paradise, at least not physically. What is the point of a soul leaving the same body twice? Is a resurrection not permanent? That was the point why the Sadduceess did not even accept a resurrection. No one thought it was permanent. So many today think it will only be permanent at some point in the future. That is why they asked Jesus who will be married to whom at the resurrection. No one understood the resurrection, which was not about bringing back Adam's dead corruptible flesh. It was about putting souls back into God's permanent incorruptible physical body created on the 6th day, before Adam disobeyed God and was placed into a body of death. This body of death is left for the dead in a state of death to dispose of in permanent death.

The soul is made alive with the second birth. The soul is given a permanent body once it leaves this earth. No one is coming back to the earth until the NHNE. The OT saints were not bound to live forever on the earth after the Cross. Amil claim there is no millennium for the same reason. Although most think coming to earth is immediate at the Second Coming. It is not. Paul pointed out the reigning part was after the Second Coming as part of "every man in his own order". The Second Coming is not the last step. The being made subject to God is the last step. The first humans were made alive at the Cross. The result of the Cross has been ongoing. No one has had to wait in Abraham's bosom since the Cross. And even after the Second Coming, Jesus is still reigning this whole time. All on earth are reigned by sight, and not faith. The declaration of the 7th Trumpet.

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

That will be non stop even incorporated in being in subjection to God.

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

After that point there is the NHNE.
 

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The whole point of symbolism is to use literal things as symbols, so just because the words are words we use to describe literal things, does not mean the message is literal. I say it's symbolic because clouds are used throughout scripture to symbolize God's glory and power, so there is a precedent, and also because a symbolic interpretation here makes more sense than a literal one.
Well if you are trying to make human sense by changing God's Word, you have lost the point God was making.

In this case the meeting place was in the air literally where literal clouds are. No judgment was taken place, but restoration. So clouds symbolizing judgment is totally foreign to the point there is only restoration.

There may not be a single cloud in the sky that day. That there are literal clouds is not the point. The point is the literal meeting place between Paradise and earth.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them."

How is that symbolizing judgment?

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Not every time the word cloud is used has to mean judgment.
 

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I never said the gospel stopped. The good news is still good news, which is that we have eternal life. I'm saying the age of death / darkness ended in 70 AD.
Jesus was not talking about the age of darkness.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

How is the gospel equated with darkness in this verse?
 

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We aren't NJ. It's a place that comes down from heaven where the Father and Son will dwell. The city is described as a literal city with walls and roads and it does not need the light of the sun because it has another light source.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Obviously this is not people.
The father and son dwell in us. We are the city. We do not simply live in his kingdom, as you imagine. We are his kingdom.

Deuteronomy 32:9
For the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.

Do you imagine Jesus to be a physical king, reigning in a physical city and sitting on a physical throne? That's not the kind of king he is. His is a spiritual kingdom. The entire description of the city is a description of his kingdom, which is his people.

In Romans 11, Paul talks about a tree with broken branches, but clearly he was speaking of the kingdom of God.
In Daniel 2, Daniel sees the kingdom of God depicted as a stone that struck the statue.
In Mark 4, Jesus describes the kingdom of God as a field of seeds.
In Luke 13, Jesus describes the kingdom of God as a mustard seed that grew into a tree.

These are all symbolic descriptions of the people of God, as you know. So why would you not accept the description of the New Jerusalem as symbolism? Why do you accept all the other symbols representing the people, but not this one?
 

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Well if you are trying to make human sense by changing God's Word, you have lost the point God was making.

In this case the meeting place was in the air literally where literal clouds are. No judgment was taken place, but restoration. So clouds symbolizing judgment is totally foreign to the point there is only restoration.

There may not be a single cloud in the sky that day. That there are literal clouds is not the point. The point is the literal meeting place between Paradise and earth.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them."

How is that symbolizing judgment?

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Not every time the word cloud is used has to mean judgment.
I never said the clouds represent judgement. I said the clouds represent God's glory and power.

And I don't appreciate you accusing me of changing God's word. Are you changing God's word when you accept the seeds in the field to be symbols for the people of God's kingdom, in Mark 4:26? Of course not, so don't pretend that interpreting symbolism is "changing God's word". That's absurd.
 

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Jesus was not talking about the age of darkness.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

How is the gospel equated with darkness in this verse?
It's exactly as I said. The gospel of the kingdom is the end of the age of darkness. It means the kingdom comes upon us, giving us eternal life, ending the age of darkness.
 

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"And white robes were given unto every one of them."

How is that symbolizing judgment?
Revelation 19:8
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

Revelation straight up tells us that the imagery of the white robes is symbolic. Are you denying that the white robes are symbolic?
 

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The father and son dwell in us. We are the city. We do not simply live in his kingdom, as you imagine. We are his kingdom.

We will do both. We are not NJ.


Do you imagine Jesus to be a physical king, reigning in a physical city and sitting on a physical throne?

That's what the bible says.


That's not the kind of king he is. His is a spiritual kingdom. The entire description of the city is a description of his kingdom, which is his people.


Like the walls and roads and very specific dimensions?


These are all symbolic descriptions of the people of God, as you know. So why would you not accept the description of the New Jerusalem as symbolism? Why do you accept all the other symbols representing the people, but not this one?

Because NJ is not symbolic. It is a real city.
 

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Because NJ is not symbolic. It is a real city.

Me: Why do you insist the New Jerusalem is not symbolic?
You: Because it's not symbolic.

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These guys are speaking the truth ....I agree with about 99% of what they're saying. They're saying things I've been saying and I've never heard anyone else say the same thing.
(That they're making a martyr out of Trump, and building his militant programmed cult-army bigger.)


PS .....I DO NOT approve of the foul language in the podcast. I do agree with the basic sentiment ....it isn't necessary to speak with a nasty mouth to speak the truth. These guys still have spoken the truth.... despite their foul mouths.
 
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Do you imagine Jesus to be a physical king, reigning in a physical city and sitting on a physical throne?
Do you think Jesus was physically baptized and physically died on the Cross?

To you that could just be symbolic of Jesus in you.
 

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Revelation 19:8
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

Revelation straight up tells us that the imagery of the white robes is symbolic. Are you denying that the white robes are symbolic?
It is symbolic of putting on the spirit. The act of glorification, and final restoration. The soul puts on a physical body and the body puts on the spirit like a robe of white.
 

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Me: Why do you insist the New Jerusalem is not symbolic?

Because it is presented as non-symbolic. Will you argue that the current city of Jerusalem is symbolic? Or New York? That's what it's like to have someone insist NJ is symbolic when it clearly is not in scripture.
 

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Do you think Jesus was physically baptized and physically died on the Cross?

To you that could just be symbolic of Jesus in you.
Now you're just being silly.

My point is Jesus' kingdom is not a physical kingdom. You should know this. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world".