Wrangler
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No. I will not take your fool's errand to convince you what you've already decided is not the case.
Why supporting convicted felon Trump is unchristian
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The Trump team won't publish their list of appealable issues until August. We can speculate. Some are obvious, like incorrect jury instructions. But evidentiary rulings to be challenged on appeal? We will have to wait and see.
I haven't decided anything on this matter, and won't until I see the evidence -- if you can adduce some.
Wrangler
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About what? I said the Trump team hasn't yet listed their appealable issues (they haven't) and won't until August (they won't). How is that fooling myself?
Wrangler
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From the Trump team? I haven't. Nobody has. That decision won't be made and published until the Trump team has to, in August. It's basic strategy not to give you opponent a heads up before you have to.
As for anything happening quickly in our court systems, this whole conversation could last through next year. However, I did find a couple opinions about potential appeals:
"He could raise an issue with respect to what's called the 'bump up.' That is what made this a felony as opposed to a misdemeanor. There were various theories that the state put forward and were submitted to the jury," Weissmann added.
The appeal, he explains, could be centered on those theories and whether or not they are valid.
"For instance, one was a federal election crime, whether it's if he had false business records with the intent to cover up or promote a federal election crime. Another theory was a state election crime. A third theory was state tax crime."
These theories that supported the prosecution's argument allow Trump's team to say that any or all of those are impermissible factors.
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Will Scharf, another Trump attorney, told Fox News that the former president’s legal team is “considering all options” for an appeal. “This case is replete with reversible error going back to the very first day, continuing through jury instructions,” Scharf said. “We will seek expedited review of this case.”
Blanche has identified some of the issues the defense wants to argue on appeal:
It was hard for Trump to get a fair trial because everyone knows who he is based on his high profile as a former president, a candidate or from The Apprentice.
Testimony from adult film actress Stormy Daniels went on too long and included salacious, irrelevant details. Daniels alleges she had a sexual encounter with Trump in 2006, which Trump denies.
The prosecution’s key witness, Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and so-called fixer, was previously convicted of making false statements. The defense argues he shouldn’t be relied upon in order to convict a person.
"He could raise an issue with respect to what's called the 'bump up.' That is what made this a felony as opposed to a misdemeanor. There were various theories that the state put forward and were submitted to the jury," Weissmann added.
The appeal, he explains, could be centered on those theories and whether or not they are valid.
"For instance, one was a federal election crime, whether it's if he had false business records with the intent to cover up or promote a federal election crime. Another theory was a state election crime. A third theory was state tax crime."
These theories that supported the prosecution's argument allow Trump's team to say that any or all of those are impermissible factors.
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Will Scharf, another Trump attorney, told Fox News that the former president’s legal team is “considering all options” for an appeal. “This case is replete with reversible error going back to the very first day, continuing through jury instructions,” Scharf said. “We will seek expedited review of this case.”
Blanche has identified some of the issues the defense wants to argue on appeal:
It was hard for Trump to get a fair trial because everyone knows who he is based on his high profile as a former president, a candidate or from The Apprentice.
Testimony from adult film actress Stormy Daniels went on too long and included salacious, irrelevant details. Daniels alleges she had a sexual encounter with Trump in 2006, which Trump denies.
The prosecution’s key witness, Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and so-called fixer, was previously convicted of making false statements. The defense argues he shouldn’t be relied upon in order to convict a person.
Good synopsis, @Spyder. You seem to have a decent handle on this. Now, would you please explain to @Wrangler that until the Trump team actually files its appeal document after the July sentencing, listing the issues it wants reviewed, all of these appealable issues are speculative? He has disdain for my views on the subject.
Ronald David Bruno
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God made America great. Trump just wants to try that again ... although Gidus in charge. But of course atheists do not believe that!
It is funny that you posted Romans 13:1, yet you do not believe in God ... trying to attacksbwith God's word? You are using arguments for Jesus' principles of morality against Christians whom you think lack them because of wanting someone to MAGA.
YOU posted Romans 13:1, yet don't comprehend it, don't believe in it. GOD APPOINTS ALL AUTHORITES. So He appointed Trump and Biden - go figure.
If you had any understanding if the Old Testament, you would see that God appointed good kings and bad kings, sent empires to defeat the Jews, enslave them for a purpose, to punish them and then restore them after they repented and learned their lesson - over and over again.
We got a bad leader ( Biden) because we deserve one.
Frankly, it is too late for any elected leader to fix anything!
The world is about to be judged - that includes atheists.
Only Jesus will fix the world ... coming soon to your neighborhood.
CadyandZoe
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I agree with your standpoint, i.e. we should always seek evidence. But, as I have told you many times, we can no longer examine the specifics together. The internet is scrubbed.
All I can do is witness to the facts that were available when I personally discovered the truth—before the purge.
Well, sir, I think we are witnessing that our desire to fix things NOW drives us to believe that it CAN be fixed now.
The judicial system, in my view, has lost the concept of a fair and speedy trial. The mountains of files, papers, and submissions serve to make painful so many things that should be plain and simple.
As with other topic - follow the money. Somebody profits greatly during all this.
mailmandan
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Dan Clarkston
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Uh huh, and... tell us why supporting liberals is full on demonic possession as supporting liberals means one is actively and opening in favor of murdering babies.,... and teaching little children they they are perverts
Both of these items are abomination unto the Lord and both are major pillars in the liberal party platform to the point that one cannot be in good standing with the liberals unless they enthusiastically support baby killing and grooming children to be perverts.... both of which angers the Lord and has brought His wrath upon the liberals where their party is pretty much dead and powerless.
Sure repubs have their warts, but Trump does support Israel and he's a deal maker that other nations want to work with and is over all more qualified than anybody the liberals have to offer.... most especially more qualified than Kamala Harris and Tampon Tim.
Christians have tow choice when it comes to voting.... they can either vote for the lesser of two evils, or they can not vote at all. Personally I could not in good conscience before the Lord vote for either party so I did not vote at all... as though voting really does anything anymore seeing the one world gubment / anti-christ is coming anyway regardless of if one votes er not..
Dan Clarkston
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Some things can actually be fixed now.... but it's not a lasting fix and Christians are not of this world so we need not worry so much about this world's affairs
Luke 21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares
Berean
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Why supporting ANY politician is unchristian
GISMYS_7
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God loves sinners! Sinners that confess and repent. King David = loved by God=Saul who became Paul.
Is Trump truly a convicted fellon ?
The due process has not ran through it all, has it ! Seriouisly
Trump was totaly set up ! It's was totaly typical Communist tactics 101 in fact ! History proves what Communist tactics are all about !
They can fool people who do not truly understand such games that are played !
Trump was attacked 24/7 when he was President before and under attack after 24/7 !
Why was Obama and Biden dealt with in the same way ? But they clearly were always put forward as the ones, that could never do any wrong in fact !
In History, Hitler could do no wrong by his Media in fact ! as was the same with every Communist in fact, by their own Media ! am I wrong ?
Not to mention what happened to anyone who tryed to expose them ?
The due process has not ran through it all, has it ! Seriouisly
Trump was totaly set up ! It's was totaly typical Communist tactics 101 in fact ! History proves what Communist tactics are all about !
They can fool people who do not truly understand such games that are played !
Trump was attacked 24/7 when he was President before and under attack after 24/7 !
Why was Obama and Biden dealt with in the same way ? But they clearly were always put forward as the ones, that could never do any wrong in fact !
In History, Hitler could do no wrong by his Media in fact ! as was the same with every Communist in fact, by their own Media ! am I wrong ?
Not to mention what happened to anyone who tryed to expose them ?
Well yes if you spoke out against Hitler the SS would pay a late night visit and you were never seen again.Nazi propaganda was everywhere they controlled the news.Its what a dictator does isolate and control the media so only their words are heard.
It happens in Russia they die jumping from balconies and other weird ways if they question Putin.There is a list of them now.
It happens in Russia they die jumping from balconies and other weird ways if they question Putin.There is a list of them now.
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CadyandZoe
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Many people harbor reservations about Donald Trump, primarily due to his demeanor and communication style, which some have likened to that of a used car salesman. While the profession of selling cars is perfectly legal and many individuals excel at it, the perception of insincerity can often overshadow the positive aspects of such a role. In fact, skilled salespeople contribute significantly to their employers' profits by successfully matching buyers with vehicles that meet their needs.
Now, let’s consider a metaphor. If you were in the position of selling your own car, would you undertake that task yourself or would you opt to engage a professional used car salesman? This question serves to illuminate a broader point regarding leadership and negotiation, particularly in the context of the U.S. presidency. One of the essential responsibilities of a president is to engage in negotiations for trade deals with other nations, an area where Trump has demonstrated notable proficiency. His ability to broker deals doesn’t just benefit him personally; it can also translate into financial gains for the United States as a whole.
Moreover, Trump's skills extend beyond commerce; he has also been effective in negotiating peace agreements, showcasing his versatility in handling both economic and diplomatic challenges. Thus, while his style may not resonate with everyone, it is crucial to recognize the impact of his approach on the nation’s financial and diplomatic standing.
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