Taken
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And...that is so interesting...LOL...since you have identified none.
Way to make an irrelevant accusation.
Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven
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And...that is so interesting...LOL...since you have identified none.
Way to make an irrelevant accusation.
Alfredthefifth
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This has been an interesting discussion.
There are some here that if I were to meet I know we would have a good lively Christian fellowship.
There are some I may chat with.
And others if their Holier-than-thou attitude here is their in person attitude I couldn't get in the door so I would be able to run screaming from the room
But the spirit has been nudging me to step away, the Pharisees in the room will always be the Pharisees in the room. Convinced that their narrowly dissected bits of of Scripture are the all in all.
I need to close out because those Pharisees as they do not aid faith, they crush the life out of it. I lived through that in church. And do not need to bring forward from the past.
God be with all here
Alfredthefifth
There are some here that if I were to meet I know we would have a good lively Christian fellowship.
There are some I may chat with.
And others if their Holier-than-thou attitude here is their in person attitude I couldn't get in the door so I would be able to run screaming from the room
But the spirit has been nudging me to step away, the Pharisees in the room will always be the Pharisees in the room. Convinced that their narrowly dissected bits of of Scripture are the all in all.
I need to close out because those Pharisees as they do not aid faith, they crush the life out of it. I lived through that in church. And do not need to bring forward from the past.
God be with all here
Alfredthefifth
Taken
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Wrangler, nothing new with you. Vague and deflective.
* Supposed mystic terms...like what....really? I should guess what you are talking about? LOL
* Expecting an answer to A, or B questions....What questions? What post?
Is it secret I am suppose to guess what you are talking about? LOL
* You fall off the wagon sometimes....Like how, deny God?
Nah, like not answering an unseen question....LOL
Remembering why I limit my conversations with you...
Vague and dull.
Taken
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Not seen one person call Themselves sinless.
Not seen one person call Themselves perfect.
Not seen one person making Themselves holier than Thou.
Do know WHO calls Themselves no longer committing sin, and WHY.
...For one it is the person Themself.
...Why Because of what they have done.
...Because the Word of God Says so.
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I learned what born of God means and how to obtain that gift, and did so. I am not ashamed to have done what the Lord will.
It is quite clear, of those calling themselves “Christians”, and confessing they “Continue to sin”...According to Gods own word have NOT become born of God.
Is it MY FAULT, for what other men choose or do not choose?
No!
Funny how One person who does what is Lords will and Receives from the Lord what He promised....is a person who is Accused and Bashed by others...who supposedly are “Christians”...
Maybe y’all should put more effort into Doing the will of God, instead of parading about behind a “Christian” badge and barfing your hate against sons of God.
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Wrangler
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Wrangler
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I already have. I said Christ follower but you invoked some mystical synonym, like saved and reborn.
And then you invoked another one for variety, “Converted IN Christ”. Honestly, I have no intention of keeping up with all your mystical inventions.
Taken
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This was your supposed questions. Oops ?
And your claim....saved, born again, converted, IN Christ ...are
“Mystical” words?
No clue what “mystical” Book you read.
However the Book I read is the Bible, and I don’t equate those words in the Bible as “mystical”.
Whosoever is born of God, does not commit sin, can not sin. 1 John 3:9
If you do not understand what born of God means, what does not commit sin means, what can not sin means, you probably are not “whosoever”.
Taken
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I use common Biblical words. Honestly if those words are foreign to you, that would be your problem, not mine.
You may even learn, Disciples Follow, trail behind.
The Converted are “IN” Christ, and Christ “IN” the man.
John 14:
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Hope you get to THAT DAY.
The concept of giving one's body to be crucified with Christ is foreign to my experience. What did you say to Him and what did He say to you?
Taken
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If you desire to have a relationship with God, I would suggest you read the Scriptures and find out exactly what that means. And thereafter call on the Lords Name and speak to Him what it is you want Him to Know.
Don’t expect an audible voice, or text, or phone call. What the Lord will do, is already in the Scriptures. It’s not complicated. The Scripture are full of “IF” you do such and such...”THEN” the Lord will respond with “such and such”.
You people really just do not know what you are saying, then you say things to justify yourself and accuse others.
Are you not a sinner? Are you not the one who tells the whole world what sinners you are?
You are the ones that also have been calling everyone else sinners along with yourself.
Or, Are you now saying you are not a sinner, and don't call yourself a sinner, and don't want others falsely accusing you of being a sinner
Yes, or no?
They also say, that they can't crawl back into their dead bodies to bring them to life again afterward. Which of course is a really big, duh.
OSAS Zombieland 101
This thread began with the reason why OSAS teaches all sins past, present, and future are already forgiven, which is to not need the confession of sinning, in order to be forgiven of that sin.
No OSAS proselytes have even argued against it.
My experience is that whenever anyone brings in a couple of Scriptures to teach and prove doing righteousness of God, without also sinning with the devil, OSAS stormtroopers immediately pounce on the offender as proud, self-righteous wanna-be perfectionists.
Without arguing against what was taught.
This is the second time on this thread that OSAS unrighteous christian sinners have gotten offended by others agreeing with them, that they are indeed sinners.
It must sound cute when they say it about themselves, and dirty when someone else does.
This goes to prove one of the main hypocrisies about OSAS sinners, They really don't think their sinning for the devil is as dirty as others of the world.
Imperfect, yes, sinner, no.
The law and righteousness of Jesus Christ is not perfectionism. The renewed minds and mortal bodies of the saints will not be perfected, until the resurrection of their bodies.
Teaching perfectionism as the righteousness of God, is the main tool for unrighteous christians sinners remaining unrighteous christian sinners, because they are not and cannot be 'perfect'. Which is why they also accuse every other Christians of being dirty sinners like themselves.
I.e. your little sins are cute, others' big sins are dirty.
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This is an important point.
OSAS teaches that all the work of Jesus in salvation and justification, was done by Him on the cross, so there is nothing for us to do to be saved, other than hearing the gospel with faith alone.
But the only work and price He paid for sins on His cross, was buying forgiveness for sinning with His shed blood.
But it is by His resurrection, that He takes away our sinning, which does not come until we confess our sins, so that we can be forgiven and receive Him and the power of His resurrection.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Until Jesus is manifested and risen in us, we are still in our sins and still sinning with the devil.
All the work therefore of salvation and justification was not already done by Jesus dying on a cross on earth, and that work does not even begin in us, until we repent and believe His gospel and word to do it.
"The Testimony of a Loving OSAS Sinner"
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
That is a twist to OSAS claims of now hating their sinning while sinning.
An actual honest confession, that if we did hate sinning, we would repent of it, depart from iniquity, and live righteously and blamelessly as we are commanded to in Christ Jesus.
But, the unrighteous christian sinners enjoy their sinning to much to repent of all of it. And those saying they really hate the sinning they kling to are just silly children lying to themsevles.
Now, if the lie of being still saved and justified forever, while still sinning against Jesus, were dropped, then that is a kind of OSAS I could get on board with.
No such thing. More like you still naturally enjoy your sinning with your buddy the devil.
That's some pretty impressive sophistry: You gloat about your humbleness in prayer, not to know the hidden sins of the righteous, that you accuse of being hypocrites, and then gloat about how you would not want to gloat about finding out. Not bad.
So, the Pharisee prays openly to gloat over others' open sins, while you pray in secret to gloat over the hidden sins of others.
Impressive again: Gloating over the righteous being more of the devil than you, humbly so. That great weight you're speaking of is a massive amount of self importance and pretense of care.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.
There definitely be one loving and caring angel worshipped here, and it isn't Michael nor Gabriel, nor even Lucifer.
So, it's the righteous Christians that are the worst of sinners, especially when they preach living righteously, holily, and blamelessly in this life.
Now THAT must be how OSAS preaches Paul to be the chiefest of sinners. Now, I understand. While he was declaring his freedom from sinning, and how unblameably he was behaving himself before others, he must have been hiding a whole lot of sinning.
Impressive again and again: Judging the righteous, and then handing it off to God, so that you're not the one judging.
Absolutely agreed. There certainly be some pretty twisted stuff showing up here.
And it doesn't even have anything to do with the thread at hand. Impressive.
An honest answer, good.
Peter was not born again before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
All men in mortal flesh on earth are capable of sinning, but only those resisting the devil and choosing Jesus are not submitting to temptation and sinning, by rejecting any unwanted unrighteous thought and imagination appearing from the evil in the renewed mind to do so.
The law and doctrine of Christ is not perfectionism. The renewed mind and quickened spirit of the new man is not yet perfected, until the resurrection of the body.
All saints will have the good fight to fight unto the end. Unrighteous thought appearing int he mind is not sinning. Sinning is only if we take such thought to heart to become lusting for it.
Christ does not make any soul nor babe from the womb with sin, by sin, nor to sin.
You boast of being a sinful man, and then blame it on your hapless mortal body.
Not much to boast about, where only sinning less is possible. Jesus gave His all on the cross, so that OSAS sinners could sin less. Very loving of them.
Jesus commands us to sin no more and walk as He walked, which with you is impossible, but not with God, who does not command any man to do, what He knows no man can do:
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
OSAS needs the faith of Jesus. Theirs is falling short. And it's not their body's fault.
True, I still haven't heard anyone like me say it either. You people are the only ones even talking about.
Yep. OSAS double hearted for life, and never pass up a chance to boast about.
I'm not going to try and decipher that one. But He has taken away the sinning from His righteous brethren on earth.
Not just a little, nor just so much, but all of it at one time.
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
When someone receives Jesus Christ with His divine power to once put away all sinning, then in deed and in truth the old man is crucified on their own cross, and the end of their old world of sinning is come.
OSAS still clings to their world of sinning, just less of it. Or some say say anyway.
Nope, that certainly will never happen with you, not on any day on earth, nor after. You enjoy your sinning too much to repent.
Scripture doesn't say the righteous are sinning less and less unto the end.
That's your faith and doctrine, not the faith and doctrine of Jesus Christ.
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Yes.
You see the problem with you people, is you really don't care what is actually written in Scripture on paper, but only what you have decided to write in your own minds wrested from Scripture.
OSAS teaches the letters of the law of Scripture no more matter after the cross, and you prove it every time you teach your doctrine of saved by faith alone and justified without works of God's righteousness.
I understand it more perfectly now than ever, whenever you people post your stuff. It's really fascinating, and shows me how John could have been so amazed, when seeing the great whore in all her splendidly deceived glory.
Sin isn't great. It's all of the devil.
Once more, that OSAS pride that says their sins don't stink so great as others, and so they're not so much of the devil, when sinning like others.
And there it is: Jesus is not the perfect antidote for sinning with the devil. Let people talk long enough, and their words will justify or condemn themselves.
I'll be posting a thread on it. Thanks.
Be All You Can Be is an American army motto, not the commandment and doctrine of Christ.
Our own faith deceives our own heart: it's the faith of Jesus we need, to be pure of heart and sound of mind and true in doctrine of Christ.
No. Never heard any saint say so either. Only you people talk like that.
The bible calls you a lier! Not me or any man but THE BIBLE!
Ah yes, calling someone a liar, because they reject your doctrine and your grace and your faith and your sins, and then blame it on the Bible.
The only book calling me a liar, is the one written in your head.
Don't worry, I don't report people for calling me a liar, even when they say it's God doing so.
You know why? Because I don't care. People like you are not worth getting personal with. It's all just doctrine to me, and Scripture is all that matters to me with Jesus.
You need to work on your spelling and sentence structure.
Yes, I'm aware. But that's not what you said. You said you had a private conversation on the subject. I'm just curious about the particulars.
Taken
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Nothing to argue. That ^ is true.
Col 1
[10] That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
[11] Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
[12] Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Nothing to argue. That ^ is true.
Nothing to argue.
~ A serious student of Scripture Closes his One mouth, Opens his Two ears, to the knowledge of God.
~ An instigator, gaslights, stirs discontent, is Toxic to a babe beginner...is longsuffering to those who have been delivered from the power of darkness.
~ The OP wants an argument on:
One only needs to read such a ridiculous notion, and read the name of the one whose thoughts were of such a ridiculous notion, and give credit to that one whose thoughts, he himself wrote.
Full credit of:
Goes to the OP.
Congratulations OP.