Why no question?

[face2face]

Adam was questioned
Eve was questioned

Why NO question for the serpent?

“Where are you?” 3:10 The man replied, “I heard you moving about in the orchard, and I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.” 3:11 And the Lord God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” 3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave me, she gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it.” 3:13 So the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman replied, “The serpent tricked me, and I ate.” 3:14 The Lord God said to the serpent Ge 3:9–14.

Why no question for the Serpent?

Now you need to be careful with your anwser - I'll give you a clue, some help with your insight

“Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! On your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life. Ge 3:14.

Let's see if you can work out the riddle!

For those who believe the serpent is a fallen angel you will have an impossible time trying to answer this question...but those who can read what is being taught and understand the Work of God in the beginning, may have a chance.

Another hint: The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching alludes to the answer rather beautifully and if you find it, God has revealed great things to you!

God bless in your searching!

F2F

 

[face2face]

If the first is difficult, try this one:

Order of events

God (through angels) question's A&E

Order of questions

1. Adam
2. Eve
3. Serpent (no question!)

Order in judgement

3. Serpent
2 Eve
1. Adam

Why was Adam questioned first? But judged last?

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

Adam was questioned
Eve was questioned

Why NO question for the serpent?

“Where are you?” 3:10 The man replied, “I heard you moving about in the orchard, and I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.” 3:11 And the Lord God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” 3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave me, she gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it.” 3:13 So the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman replied, “The serpent tricked me, and I ate.” 3:14 The Lord God said to the serpent Ge 3:9–14.

Why no question for the Serpent?

Now you need to be careful with your anwser - I'll give you a clue, some help with your insight

“Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! On your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life. Ge 3:14.

Let's see if you can work out the riddle!

For those who believe the serpent is a fallen angel you will have an impossible time trying to answer this question...but those who can read what is being taught and understand the Work of God in the beginning, may have a chance.

Another hint: The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching alludes to the answer rather beautifully and if you find it, God has revealed great things to you!

God bless in your searching!

F2F

There were no questions because Satan is the flesh which comes from our 46 chromosomes.

 

[face2face]

There were no questions because Satan is the flesh which comes from our 46 chromosomes.

Wow Indiana, can you expand? - remove the Satan part and keep going! Nice reply! F2F

Satan simply means adversary, and while the flesh can be an adversary, continue your train of thought and answer why no question was asked of the serpent

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

Wow Indiana, can you expand? - remove the Satan part and keep going! Nice reply! F2F

Satan simply means adversary, and while the flesh can be an adverary, continue your train of thought and answer why no question was asked of the serpent

F2F

No questions were asked because the questions were already asked of the serpent seeds Adam and Eve.

In the King James Bible the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve.

When Peter was “in the flesh” Jesus said get thee behind me SATAN.

Moses lifted up the SERPENT on the pole as a foreshadow of God in the 46 chromosome flesh suit.

John the Baptist said unto them, “O generation of VIPERS, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come”.

Jesus told the Pharisees “Ye are of your father the DEVIL”.

There are others but those are the ones that come mind right now.

 

[face2face]

No questions were asked because the questions were already asked of the serpent seeds Adam and Eve.

In the King James Bible the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve.

When Peter was “in the flesh” Jesus said get thee behind me SATAN.

Moses lifted up the SERPENT on the pole as a foreshadow of God in the 46 chromosome flesh suit.

John the Baptist said unto them, “O generation of VIPERS, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come”.

Jesus told the Pharisees “Ye are of your father the DEVIL”.

There are others but those are the ones that come mind right now.

Thanks Indiana,

A lot to unpack there!...I'm certain all of your points will contribute to the same lesson - the answers of which might be confronting to many!

I'll leave it for now and alllow others to answer, but I've highlighted in your response further clues to the answer as to why God didn't question the Serpent

Thanks for your replies and I will definately come back to your response later.

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

Thanks Indiana,

A lot to unpack there!...I'm certain all of your points will contribute to the same lesson - the answers of which might be confronting to many!

I'll leave it for now and alllow others to answer, but I've highlighted in your response further clues to the answer as to why God didn't question the Serpent

Thanks for your replies and I will definately come back to your response later.

F2F

It’s very controversial I know. I look forward to seeing what kind of comments you get.

 

[face2face]

What's interesting about this study @IndianaRob is, most Christians won't participate for a number of reasons. The first is the fear of being wrong...clearly this did not bother you! Secondly, the Christian has preconceived notions about this section of Scripture and while they dont align with the text, they fear looking into these things could unravel their understanding.

If I didn't continue to post update etc, this thread would disappear into the cloud never to be seen again.

What also surprises me is how few understand the first 3 chapters of the Bible think the house of their faith is established on what? If you get the first 3 chapters wrong how can they have a firm foundation?

Thanks for your contribution...means a lot!

F2F

 

[face2face]

It’s very controversial I know. I look forward to seeing what kind of comments you get.

Well, maybe the pressure got to them

It's one thing to speak at the Word of God, its another to allow the Word of God to speak to you.

I do want to deal with some of your important points and will do so in coming days.

The serpent on the pole is an excellent one, especially how it relates to the crucified Lord

And these:

- When Peter was “in the flesh” Jesus said get thee behind me SATAN.

- John the Baptist said unto them, “O generation of VIPERS, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come”.

Jesus told the Pharisees “Ye are of your father the DEVIL”.

Can anyone see the obvoius connection in the red text?

We will see.

F2F

 

[IndianaRob]

Well, maybe the pressure got to them

It's one thing to speak at the Word of God, its another to allow the Word of God to speak to you.

I do want to deal with some of your important points and will do so in coming days.

The serpent on the pole is an excellent one, especially how it relates to the crucified Lord

And these:

- When Peter was “in the flesh” Jesus said get thee behind me SATAN.

- John the Baptist said unto them, “O generation of VIPERS, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come”.

Jesus told the Pharisees “Ye are of your father the DEVIL”.

Can anyone see the obvoius connection in the red text?

We will see.

F2F

Understanding what Satan is is a game changer and unlocks some of the hard to understand passages in the Bible.

Hopefully you’ll get some discussion around this.

 

[Wick Stick]

Adam was questioned
Eve was questioned

Why NO question for the serpent?

“Where are you?” 3:10 The man replied, “I heard you moving about in the orchard, and I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.” 3:11 And the Lord God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” 3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave me, she gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it.” 3:13 So the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman replied, “The serpent tricked me, and I ate.” 3:14 The Lord God said to the serpent Ge 3:9–14.

Why no question for the Serpent?

Now you need to be careful with your anwser - I'll give you a clue, some help with your insight

“Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! On your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life. Ge 3:14.

Let's see if you can work out the riddle!

For those who believe the serpent is a fallen angel you will have an impossible time trying to answer this question...but those who can read what is being taught and understand the Work of God in the beginning, may have a chance.

Another hint: The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching alludes to the answer rather beautifully and if you find it, God has revealed great things to you!

God bless in your searching!

F2F

I don't reckon we agree, but I read the serpent as being a symbol of worldly-wisdom. It wouldn't make much sense to address a question to a concept.

 

[quietthinker]

Why no question?​

Why the wrong question?

 

[face2face]

I don't reckon we agree, but I read the serpent as being a symbol of worldly-wisdom. It wouldn't make much sense to address a question to a concept.

Hi Wick

It is also a symbol as we will find and your definition certain fits!

Whether we agree, or disagree on whether the serpent was an actual creature, which God made and cursed above the creatures of the field, we find its symbol more than speaks to a reality in the story of the Bible, as we shall see.

Thanks
F2F

 

[MA2444]

as we shall see.

Wait for it...wait for it...wait for it....waiting!

You've asked a question that I never really considered before. I never heard it spoke about in any Pastors sermon. Sooff the top of my head...(I'm prolly wrong, lol!) but here it is.

God didnt ask the serpant any questions because He already knows the heart of the serpent and Adam & Eve. The Lord did ask Adam & Eve questions, because, they were His creation and His people and He loves them and wanted to teach them and provoke them to repentent thought. God already knew everything about the situation that had transpired. More than any of the three individuals involved. SO He didnt even really have to question Adam & Eve to learn what had happened but to immediately set them on the correct path now that they had made a mistake so that they could learn and grow!

Is it an accurate statement to say...I have not yet been created, but I am being created...??

Maybe, maybe...(Reaching!) When all of us were in Heaven and got to hear about the fall of lucifer, did someone walk up to the Lord and say, Lord, what's good & Evil? (So he made this school for us and we signed up to find out what is Good and what is evil?
We didnt know what evil was in Heaven with God, so how could we say we know what good is, with nothing to compare to? Maybe something like that. Now that we've all be introduced to death and evil....I wish I would'a kept my mouth shut! I think I choose to trust Him next time, Lol!

That's an interesting thought.

 

[face2face]

Wait for it...wait for it...wait for it....waiting!

You've asked a question that I never really considered before. I never heard it spoke about in any Pastors sermon. Sooff the top of my head...(I'm prolly wrong, lol!) but here it is.

God didnt ask the serpant any questions because He already knows the heart of the serpent and Adam & Eve. The Lord did ask Adam & Eve questions, because, they were His creation and His people and He loves them and wanted to teach them and provoke them to repentent thought.

Hi MA2444

I take it you mean Adam & Eve were made after His image and likeness and the animal serpent being A moral is not?

Why would you ask an animal a question if it has no moral capacity to answer?

Is that what you mean? if so, you would be right.

Here is the issue....

If it was a fallen angel which holds Gods very divine nature (spirit) you would expect dialogue.

There wasn't because the Serpent was merely an animal more cunning than all the animal God made. It's ability to voice the flesh was its only function.

Once these important points are known and accepted then the Word of God comes alive!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Israel could be seen also as Satan, for their disobedience. Remember not all Israel was israel.

The word simply means adversary - understanding how its used is the first step in knowing there is no such thing as a fallen angel

 

[MA2444]

Hi MA2444

I take it you mean Adam & Eve were made after His image and likeness and the animal serpent being A moral is not?

Why would you ask an animal a question if it has no moral capacity to answer?

Is that what you mean? if so, you would be right.

Here is the issue....

If it was a fallen angel which holds Gods very divine nature (spirit) you would expect dialogue.

There wasn't because the Serpent was merely an animal more cunning than all the animal God made. It's ability to voice the flesh was its only function.

Once these important points are known and accepted then the Word of God comes alive!

F2F

I dont think it was an animal. There was a serpent, a snake, and who kows if it was intelligent/ But I think it stands to reason that Lucifer's spirit possessed the snake to speak to Eve, wouldnt you think? The snake still got cursed so maybe it was/is cognizant of God? And he had a job to to on earth which was live a life here and perhaps there was somethig that the snake could have done to say no dont possess me and it somehow relented and made a poor choice? (Lol) I watched a video once that was talking about how all snakes have what appear to be the beginning of legs inside of them on their bone structure nubbing out on all four places where legs usually are. I've never cut open a snake to look for these nubs so I suppose I really dont know for sure if the nubs are there or not. But according to scripture, that was part of the serpents curse for doing wrong against His people. Upon thine belly shalt thou go...So maybe God took the serpents legs away from them? I think that's reasonably plausible.

I know that we were all taught that animals are amoral, or without a sense of morals or accountability. But I'm not so sure about that anymore.

Psalm 148:3-6
3 Praise him, sun and moon!
Praise him, all you twinkling stars!
4 Praise him, skies above!
Praise him, vapors high above the clouds!
5 Let every created thing give praise to the Lord,
for he issued his command, and they came into being.
6 He set them in place forever and ever.../KJV

Especially pay attention to verse 5. Every created thing. That's dog & cats and horses, and snakes. Everything. Now if these animals are intelligent enough to Praise God...then maybe we just dont know their language to communicate with them.

They all have a job and were created for a purpose. I guess snakes still do their job, they just do it without legs. You lay there without legs long enough and you'd learn how to crawl on your belly too!
Do you know what Dogs job is? It's obvious! They are many things to humans. Dogs help us. Dogs can comfort us during times of distress, they protect the little children! And they will defend you also. (Or are supposed to!) Dogs are like people. If you mistreat them they wont listen to you, lol. They might not defend you? Sometimes untrained dogs can be vicious protectors! (If you treat them right and they will grow to have a sense of duty in the home).
The Lord made the animals for us on this planet which is so evil and even the animals get misteated a lot? Some dogs are good dogs and some dogs turn bad. Perhaps the animals have a destiny and a hope? Maybe if they do good here they get to be human or something?

Have you ever watched your dog looking out the window? How do you know what he's thinking about, you dont. One time I heard a girl give a testimony about Jesus came to visit her and tak to her. They were talking about I dunno what, I forget, but they were talking and she wasnt quite understanding what Jesus was saying, and Jesus quipped with her that, your cat contemplates God better than you do. He was joking with her.

Now maybe it was simple joke, or maybe cats can contemplate God? Maybe all animals can. Maybe the stones beneath your feet can think too?! Scripture did say something about the very stones would cry out to God...but the reason there isnt anything in scripture about animals being smart and are thinking creatures that can not speak our language, nor us them and it really isnt any of our business (??) about any covenant which may or may not exist between God and the animals?

Do the stones dream about becoming an animal one day?
Do the animals dream about becoming human?
Do dolphins dream about being a land creature some day? Would they have to be a Whale first?
Tune in next week for another episode of the Twilight Zone...

We really dont know that much about animals. I've never been into owning cats because they ALWAYS make the house smell. But at friends houses I've been around plenty of cats. Watch cats when they're just sitting around. They're thinking, you can tell! I used to say, look at that cat sitting there scheming up some mischief...
Because cats act like they have staff, lol.












They will tuen mean and untrustworthy

 

[face2face]

I dont think it was an animal.

So lets consider the facts.

Fact 1.

Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made. Ge 3:1.

Serpent is a wild animal
God made this creature with voice (important!)

Fact 2.

3:14 The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! On your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life. Ge 3:14.

It's curse was as an animal
Because it had "done this" it was made to touch dust!

More lessons come from this as we explore what the symbol of serpent becomes in the Word of God - but nowhere in the Bible is it associated with Heavenly Rebellion though many try

As Indiana has shown it's use if diverse and its strongest symbol is "sin".

F2F

 

[Wick Stick]

The word simply means adversary - understanding how its used is the first step in knowing there is no such thing as a fallen angel

Well, not with the definition that the modern church puts on "angel."

If one would define Malaakim ("angels") as being essentially the same as Malakim ("kings"), it all makes a certain amount of sense.

 

[quietthinker]

The word simply means adversary - understanding how its used is the first step in knowing there is no such thing as a fallen angel

You are mistaken f2f. Jesus clearly identifies Satan as a malevolent being as does the book of Revelation even while the OT doesn't......and your denial suites his purposes.