Lambano
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Okay, so what is the justification for translating הֵילֵל (helel), derived from the Hebrew word for "shining" with the Latin "Lucifer", meaning "light bringer"?
Why I hate the Bible... Or so they say?
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Rockerduck
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There are no scams. Only those who attack it. Don't me wrong, I'm not a KJV only. But every time I read a translation; I find errors. My latest was the LSB. I thought this would be the best translation ever. But it too uses critical text and had printing errors; missing words to complete a sentence and LSB acknowledged this. I typically read the same chapter with the KJV and 3 or 4 translations at a time through the whole bible.
Rockerduck
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No scams?
The KJO folks claim that other Bible translations left verses out of the Bible. - LOL
This is a ridiculous and ignorant claim.
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Rockerduck
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Try to find the word "fornication" in the NIV bible, anywhere in it.
St. SteVen said:
No scams?
The KJO folks claim that other Bible translations left verses out of the Bible. - LOL
This is a ridiculous and ignorant claim.
I say it is a good point because the KJV helped to clarify the divorce question for me in this topic below.
The church say that the only justification for divorce is adultery. (sexual immorality) But that's NOT what Jesus said.
He said fornication. And this was in reference to Jewish law.
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No scams?
The KJO folks claim that other Bible translations left verses out of the Bible. - LOL
This is a ridiculous and ignorant claim.
That's a good point, but it is not a "missing verses" problem.
I say it is a good point because the KJV helped to clarify the divorce question for me in this topic below.
The church say that the only justification for divorce is adultery. (sexual immorality) But that's NOT what Jesus said.
He said fornication. And this was in reference to Jewish law.
Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.
The position of the church and society at large is mistaken as to what Jesus was quoted as saying in the gospels. IMHO Let's discuss. Questions: 1) What did Jesus actually say? 2) Why did he say it? 3) If we got this wrong, where do we go from here? The position of the church and society...
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Whose to say He didn't choose the written word to communicate to us? After all, God did tell Moses to write down the words He spoke. And it can't be argued of the success. The Bible is the best-selling book of all time.
True, but they had a special relationship with God.
Human fingerprints, sure, but also divinely inspired.
I really don't understand some Christians indifference toward the Bible. To quote myself from another thread:
St. SteVen said:
That's the question. Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Yes. There is evidence of other biblical writers being asked by God to write.
But we don't see that for the New testament. The introduction to the gospel of Luke is a good example.
Who's idea was it to write?
St. SteVen said:
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?
Maybe a handbook might have helped? - LOL
St. SteVen said:
Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.
How would we know about Jesus, his death, and his resurrection if not for the Bible? How would we know about God, His character and attributes without the Bible? How would we know what is true or not without the Bible? How could we test the spirits without comparing and contrasting it against the Bible? The Bible is a guidebook; it is our standard. If we can't trust it, then what as Christians can we trust?
God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us. He wrote down the ten commandments on stone tablets. He told Moses to write down His words (Exo 17:14, 24:4, 34:27-28). Jesus himself quoted from what to us now is the Old Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
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How would we know? God could speak to us directly. (his sheep hear his voice) Prior to the Bible anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.
You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.
Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.
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That's the question. Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
I don't think books sales statistics are a good indicator of what God wants. - LOL
Yes. There is evidence of other biblical writers being asked by God to write.
But we don't see that for the New testament. The introduction to the gospel of Luke is a good example.
Who's idea was it to write?
St. SteVen said:
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?
Right. They were kicked out of the garden. Very special. (that went well)
Maybe a handbook might have helped? - LOL
St. SteVen said:
Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.
Jericho said:
How would we know about Jesus, his death, and his resurrection if not for the Bible? How would we know about God, His character and attributes without the Bible? How would we know what is true or not without the Bible? How could we test the spirits without comparing and contrasting it against the Bible? The Bible is a guidebook; it is our standard. If we can't trust it, then what as Christians can we trust?
God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us. He wrote down the ten commandments on stone tablets. He told Moses to write down His words (Exo 17:14, 24:4, 34:27-28). Jesus himself quoted from what to us now is the Old Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
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How would we know? God could speak to us directly. (his sheep hear his voice) Prior to the Bible anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.
You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.
Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.
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Are you laughing because the Bible says gays will burn in Hell? Is that what UPSETS you? You should be trying to pull them out of the fire instead of leading them to the fire!
I think it's a good indicator that using the written word to spread the gospel was successful.
Adam walked and talked with God. How many can say that?
And yet Paul said, "All scripture is God-breathed (inspired).". Whose to say God didn't impress upon their hearts to write it down? And if they had not, how would we know about any of it today?
Yes, but how often does that happen? Even in the Old Testament, God spoke directly to only a very few select individuals. And yes, He can speak to us today through dreams, visions, thoughts, etc. But how would we know it's from God without comparing it against scriptures to "test the spiritis"?
Something to that. But God can use anything.
Most people are told, but a few read the Bible only.
We should ALL be able to say that.
What was "all scripture" when that was written?
The eastern religions probably had scriptures by then.
That's a good point.
But in my experience, God is able to speak to us in a way that leaves no doubt. (Saul on the road to Damascus)
Certainly the OT prophets had no Bible to consult with.
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Wick Stick
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I believe in revelation, but it doesn't make the Bible superfluous. It acts as a sort of answer sheet or checksum. You got a revelation? Let's check that against the answer key... because there's a lot more questionable 'revelations' than real ones.
Good post, but I wanted to address the common use of prophecy today.
Those who are not in a Christian fellowship where this is common tend to have misconceptions about it.
And what I am about to write shows that prophecy today is rarely something that can be verified biblically.
Not that I am against that. If a prophecy is NOT aligned with the message of the Bible, it should be rejected.
Let's start with a definition.
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening,
encouraging and comfort. - 1 Corinthians 14:3 NIV
Prophecies today are usually very non-specific. Those delivering a prophecy are usually somewhat apologetic.
They typically have no idea what it means. They are only given a puzzle piece. The other puzzle pieces will be collected
by the person receiving the prophetic message(s). I think I shared a similar example earlier on the forum.
Someone tells you that you will be traveling to a far away land. (a message from God)
Someone else says they had a vision of you with zebras in the background. Then a friend from another church
says they felt God encouraging them to invite you to join them on a missions trip to Africa.
Now, you can see how much more impact the invitation has given the other two prophecies.
But how would you verify this biblically? It doesn't appear to be unbiblical. Quite the contrary.
Acts 16:9-10 NIV
During the night Paul had a vision of a man of Macedonia
standing and begging him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.”
10 After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia,
concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.
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