Why don't Sabbath Day Commanders ever speak of the Inner Man?

[robert derrick]

Out of all the ad naseum attempts of Sabbath commanders to command every Christian on the planet to keep their Sabbath day, the exact way they do, Outwardly, I can't recall them ever speaking of actually worshiping God.

And if they did, then it certainly is not in Spirit and in truth, but in day of the week only.

Apparently, the outer man is everything, and the inner man is nothing.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

[bbyrd009]

Out of all the ad naseum attempts of Sabbath commanders to command every Christian on the planet to keep their Sabbath day, the exact way they do, Outwardly, I can't recall them ever speaking of actually worshiping God.

And if they did, then it certainly is not in Spirit and in truth, but in day of the week only.

Apparently, the outer man is everything, and the inner man is nothing.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

i went on a journey, so to speak, with SDA, and i think that they are prolly no more hypocritical than i am, although they did seem like a joyless bunch, which kinda surprised me. I had a pretty limited exposure though, and there were almost no kids at that congregation. It led me to reconsider my Sabbath day practices, i will say that.

 

[robert derrick]

i went on a journey, so to speak, with SDA, and i think that they are prolly no more hypocritical than i am, although they did seem like a joyless bunch, which kinda surprised me. I had a pretty limited exposure though, and there were almost no kids at that congregation. It led me to reconsider my Sabbath day practices, i will say that.

Maybe they are joyless, because their commandment isn't being obeyed by others, but only their same old selves.

It is not by mistake, that when you meet one of them, and if God and Christ is spoken, then they make a beeline to their special Sabbath day.

I was once in a pentecostal holiness cult, where we did the same thing, if we met any stranger speaking of Jesus. We would move in for the kill, to either proselytize to our holiness rules, or to cast out as compromising evil-doers.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

 

[Cassandra]

Out of all the ad naseum attempts of Sabbath commanders to command every Christian on the planet to keep their Sabbath day, the exact way they do, Outwardly, I can't recall them ever speaking of actually worshiping God.

And if they did, then it certainly is not in Spirit and in truth, but in day of the week only.

Apparently, the outer man is everything, and the inner man is nothing.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Well, I am here to tell you that the people I know love the Lord. Only through Him can we be saved. Sabbath keeping will not save you. Keeping all of the Commandments will not save you. Look at the Rich Young ruler--kept the Commandments from his youth, but they couldn't save him. Only Jesus , who looked deep into his heart and found an outside worship--money. The ruler wanted to be made acceptable, for Jesus to tell him that he was fine doing that. Jesus did not tell him that. He tells no one that.

We are justified in Jesus and Jesus alone Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," Romans 5:11

Christ is our Righteousness.

Once we accept Christ, we want to do His will--sanctification. This is a growth process, as we all know too well.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."1 John 2:3
Our church believes that this verse is referring to the 10 Commandments.

And for those who believe that this verse is referring to these verses
Matt 22:37-39
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

These verses are not new. They are from the Old Testament

Deut 6:5 "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might" and
Lev 19:18"18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

Our church sees loving God as the keeping of the 1st 4 commandments, and the loving of our neighbor as the last 6. and if the Holy Ghost does not convicted you of Sabbath keeping, no one else should either. I encourage you to pray about anything you wonder about.

For you to not place any emphasis on the Sabbath is entirely up to you. I will not judge you on this. If you feel that it is unnecessary to keep the Sabbath, then by all means don't.

What I don't understand is your ire. You have now created another thread in a different area to further condemn this. Someone 7th day person did or said something to make you angry. If folk are keeping the Sabbath, what is that to you? If you keep Sunday, I certainly don't care. And as for your anger, I do not ascribe your anger to all Sunday keepers. You shouldn't project it to everyone else.

There will be tons of Sunday keepers in the Kingdom, but there will be Sabbath keepers too.

 

[Cassandra]

i went on a journey, so to speak, with SDA, and i think that they are prolly no more hypocritical than i am, although they did seem like a joyless bunch, which kinda surprised me. I had a pretty limited exposure though, and there were almost no kids at that congregation. It led me to reconsider my Sabbath day practices, i will say that.

Our church keeps the children in the sanctuary from very early age on. Many mothers bring quiet books (things for the kids to do while in church service.)
We have what we call a Lamb's Offering, where the little children go around and collect change from the church congregation separate from Tithe and offering. It is very cute and gets them participating in church service.
We also have a Children's story before the sermon, where all of the children who can come to the front and a Bible story or an object lesson that points to Jesus is given. They all lead the congregation in a little song (may be Praise Him, Praise him, All Ye Little Children, or Jesus Loves Me)

I do not know the SDA to be joyless. If you mean during the service, we don't have activity or anything. I guess you would call it conservative. We for the most part do not speak in tongues.

We have communion quarterly. This is also a time for any testimony.

After church, we usually have potluck, which is alot of fun. Potluck used to be every other Sabbath, but we are getting more visitors, so now it is weekly. We visit with each other during this time, and enjoy food, and welcome any guests to eat with us. We have a good fellowship time.
And it carries with one through the week.

 

[robert derrick]

Well, I am here to tell you that the people I know love the Lord. Only through Him can we be saved. Sabbath keeping will not save you. Keeping all of the Commandments will not save you. Look at the Rich Young ruler--kept the Commandments from his youth, but they couldn't save him. Only Jesus , who looked deep into his heart and found an outside worship--money. The ruler wanted to be made acceptable, for Jesus to tell him that he was fine doing that. Jesus did not tell him that. He tells no one that.

What the Scripture shows is that keeping His commandments are only the beginning. Jesus came to reform the keepers of His commandments with inward spiritual purity to follow Him Personally as friends, and not servants only.

But them not keeping His commandments at all, neither know Him nor can walk with Him.

As a fellow obedient Jew, Jesus was speaking as one commandment keeper to another.

No man is being saved by Jesus, that is walking lawlessly against His commandments.

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision.

Sabbath Commanders are as the circumcision commanders, adding their own commandments to doctrine of Christ.

For you to not place any emphasis on the Sabbath is entirely up to you. I will not judge you on this. If you feel that it is unnecessary to keep the Sabbath, then by all means don't.

Then of course you are not a Sabbath Day Commander being rebuked for hypocrisy, but only a Sabbath keeper by conscience. Which is fine.

I give you give me permission to do so, even as you give me permission to do not.

What I don't understand is your ire. You have now created another thread in a different area to further condemn this. Someone 7th day person did or said something to make you angry. If folk are keeping the Sabbath, what is that to you? If you keep Sunday, I certainly don't care. And as for your anger, I do not ascribe your anger to all Sunday keepers. You shouldn't project it to everyone else.

What you don't understand is an assumption you make and then accuse others of it.

For fair warning, I consider accusation of unrighteous anger against others, which is hatred, to be a personal attack. There are some trying to have me blocked from this site by spurious accusations such as yours, because they are convicted by my teaching. Therefore, I am no longer allowing such things to just pass by.

Next time you accuse me of anger against others, without asking me about it first, then I will report you for a personal attack. If you cannot be professional and stick to the argument at hand, then it is best not to respond at all.

There will be tons of Sunday keepers in the Kingdom, but there will be Sabbath keepers too.

In two ways law keepers fall from grace: by keeping law outwardly only, which point is made here. And by keeping one's own personal law and commanding it to others to falsely judge them by.

Which does not include yourself.

False judges and accusers against the brethren of the Lord do not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling within, and so are not being saved by Jesus.

 

[bbyrd009]

Our church keeps the children in the sanctuary from very early age on. Many mothers bring quiet books (things for the kids to do while in church service.)
We have what we call a Lamb's Offering, where the little children go around and collect change from the church congregation separate from Tithe and offering. It is very cute and gets them participating in church service.
We also have a Children's story before the sermon, where all of the children who can come to the front and a Bible story or an object lesson that points to Jesus is given. They all lead the congregation in a little song (may be Praise Him, Praise him, All Ye Little Children, or Jesus Loves Me)

I do not know the SDA to be joyless. If you mean during the service, we don't have activity or anything. I guess you would call it conservative. We for the most part do not speak in tongues.

We have communion quarterly. This is also a time for any testimony.

After church, we usually have potluck, which is alot of fun. Potluck used to be every other Sabbath, but we are getting more visitors, so now it is weekly. We visit with each other during this time, and enjoy food, and welcome any guests to eat with us. We have a good fellowship time.
And it carries with one through the week.

my experience was very limited, yeh, and i think every congregation is different?
There are Scriptural indicators for the...i guess you might call it the "health" of a movement--are your borders growing or shrinking, etc--but even within those im sure there is plenty of wiggle room :)

There will be tons of Sunday keepers in the Kingdom, but there will be Sabbath keepers too.

so iow they are as enmeshed in the cult of Sol as any Christian sect that comes to mind, and i think we are debating the irrelevant!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Apparently, the outer man is everything, and the inner man is nothing.

And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.
That secret life is the inner man, the inside of the cup. That’s the message the apostle said he proclaimed, that God would judge by the inside of the cup and not as men judge, by the outside of the cup, outward appearances.

 

[Brakelite]

i went on a journey, so to speak, with SDA, and i think that they are prolly no more hypocritical than i am, although they did seem like a joyless bunch

When I first became an Adventist, it was a further 5 years before I actually became a member of the church. Along the way I did visit a few churches, and found some good, some bad. Just as in one church there are people within it, some good, some bad.
It would be a fool who would attempt to defend their denomination, any denomination, by trying to convince others every church is filled with joy and energy and spirit filled.
But the OP in this thread, and in the other by the same member, is just loaded self righteous slander. It's the same 'traffic'/ merchandise that Satan had been selling to the world for 6000 years. Innuendo and slander, only in his case, it was against God.

 

[bbyrd009]

When I first became an Adventist, it was a further 5 years before I actually became a member of the church. Along the way I did visit a few churches, and found some good, some bad. Just as in one church there are people within it, some good, some bad.
It would be a fool who would attempt to defend their denomination, any denomination, by trying to convince others every church is filled with joy and energy and spirit filled.
But the OP in this thread, and in the other by the same member, is just loaded self righteous slander. It's the same 'traffic'/ merchandise that Satan had been selling to the world for 6000 years. Innuendo and slander, only in his case, it was against God.

im sure SDAs run the gamut on a bell-curve, just like everyone else, ya

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

The Sabbath was given to strengthen the inner man for the next week. That's the whole point behind God commanding this day to be devoted to worshiping Him. This is a stupid argument.

 

[robert derrick]

The Sabbath was given to strengthen the inner man for the next week. That's the whole point behind God commanding this day to be devoted to worshiping Him. This is a stupid argument.

I didn't know oxen had an inner man to strengthen.

The Sabbath commandment was completely physical, having to do with working the job only. It had nothing to do with a certain day for rest and worship, since it did not include war, travel, and other daily things in mortal life.

It was first commanded to test the people of Israel, about whether they would obey the Lord in gathering of manna: it was only ever an outward test of obedience to the letter of the law.

All such additions to the Sabbath were made by stupid men with their own religion to dominate over others, so they they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath by healing a man.

At east now, the modern day Sabbath Commanders are finally speaking of the inner man, and not their outer day only.

Until now, this so-called spiritualized carnal commandment of men did not even speak of the Spirit nor the inner man.

 

[savedbygrace1]

i went on a journey, so to speak, with SDA, and i think that they are prolly no more hypocritical than i am, although they did seem like a joyless bunch, which kinda surprised me. I had a pretty limited exposure though, and there were almost no kids at that congregation. It led me to reconsider my Sabbath day practices, i will say that.

I attended an sda church for a few weeks to please a friend. It was relentlessly stressed ''you must obey the ten commandments'' That was kinda new to me, for in the churches I had always attended you seldom if ever heard that statement. Anyway, while I was at the sda church I was stunned to hear people taking the Lords name in vain and laughing as they did so, apparantly unaware they were breaking the ten commandments. I had never before witnessed that in any church I had ever been to. One woman I found out was having multiple affairs, some overlapping, whilst turning up at church each week immaculately dressed with her bible. She too insisted the ten commandments must be obeyed. I said to her once. ''How can you have all these affairs, you're breaking the ten commandments'' She shrugged her shoulders and replied ''All sin is equal and no ones perfect.'' I could go on and on

 

[savedbygrace1]

Out of all the ad naseum attempts of Sabbath commanders to command every Christian on the planet to keep their Sabbath day, the exact way they do, Outwardly, I can't recall them ever speaking of actually worshiping God.

And if they did, then it certainly is not in Spirit and in truth, but in day of the week only.

Apparently, the outer man is everything, and the inner man is nothing.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

The outer man is indeed everything to them, the inner man is excused, from my experience anyway

 

[Brakelite]

It had nothing to do with a certain day for rest and worship

As it was in the beginning, so it is still today. Holy.

All such additions to the Sabbath were made by stupid men with their own religion to dominate over others, so they they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath by healing a man

That's true. Even attempting to change the day itself from one holy day to the remnant of a pagan worship day. Or believing God made every day holy... Or none at all.

I attended an sda church for a few weeks to please a friend. It was relentlessly stressed ''you must obey the ten commandments'' That was kinda new to me, for in the churches I had always attended you seldom if ever heard that statement. Anyway, while I was at the sda church I was stunned to hear people taking the Lords name in vain and laughing as they did so, apparantly unaware they were breaking the ten commandments. I had never before witnessed that in any church I had ever been to. One woman I found out was having multiple affairs, some overlapping, whilst turning up at church each week immaculately dressed with her bible. She too insisted the ten commandments must be obeyed. I said to her once. ''How can you have all these affairs, you're breaking the ten commandments'' She shrugged her shoulders and replied ''All sin is equal and no ones perfect.'' I could go on and on

The outer man is indeed everything to them, the inner man is excused, from my experience anyway

Regardless of the sin and apostasy one might find in any church in any denomination, I am here to say that as in Israel's greatest time of apostasy, there are today in the Seventh Day Adventist church, thousands who have not bowed their knee to Baal.

 

[quietthinker]

I attended an sda church for a few weeks to please a friend. It was relentlessly stressed ''you must obey the ten commandments'' That was kinda new to me, for in the churches I had always attended you seldom if ever heard that statement. Anyway, while I was at the sda church I was stunned to hear people taking the Lords name in vain and laughing as they did so, apparantly unaware they were breaking the ten commandments. I had never before witnessed that in any church I had ever been to. One woman I found out was having multiple affairs, some overlapping, whilst turning up at church each week immaculately dressed with her bible. She too insisted the ten commandments must be obeyed. I said to her once. ''How can you have all these affairs, you're breaking the ten commandments'' She shrugged her shoulders and replied ''All sin is equal and no ones perfect.'' I could go on and on

Truly amazing what you heard in a few weeks. Maybe you could name where the Church is?......I would like to check your information.

 

[quietthinker]

I attended an sda church for a few weeks to please a friend. It was relentlessly stressed ''you must obey the ten commandments'' That was kinda new to me, for in the churches I had always attended you seldom if ever heard that statement. Anyway, while I was at the sda church I was stunned to hear people taking the Lords name in vain and laughing as they did so, apparantly unaware they were breaking the ten commandments. I had never before witnessed that in any church I had ever been to. One woman I found out was having multiple affairs, some overlapping, whilst turning up at church each week immaculately dressed with her bible. She too insisted the ten commandments must be obeyed. I said to her once. ''How can you have all these affairs, you're breaking the ten commandments'' She shrugged her shoulders and replied ''All sin is equal and no ones perfect.'' I could go on and on

No doubt you could go on and on.......all that information you gleaned in just a few weeks. Remind me to keep my cards close to my chest when I talk to folk who give themselves monikers akin to 'savedbygrace'.......the gossip is just too juicy and the propensity like a burning coal in ones pocket!!!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Until I joined the forums I knew very little about SDA's, JW's, Mormons, Catholics or any denomination except the one I primarily grew up in... to which I quit when the pastor announced he would be teaching the doctrines of that denomination for the next 6 weeks.
I have family and friends that belong to various denominations and I love them regardless.
Why is it so important for any denominations doctrine to be taught and/or thrown in the face of another's doctrine.
Doesn't scripture say to avoid the doctrines of man?
Anyway, there are so many doctrines in this world that Jesus message gets choked out from all the debating between one another.
Will there ever be unity of faith?
I believe there will be when the separation of the wheat and tares takes place.
Ok...jm2c...carrying on with debating your doctrines.:cool:

 

[Taken]

Why don't Sabbath Day Commanders ever speak of the Inner Man?
OP^

Couldn’t say. No clue what other men “ever” do.

Seems the debate is lengthy between “Gentiles” arguing over which day God set aside as a “Jews” tradition to “REMEMBER”, “PRAISE”, “WORSHIP” their Creator.

I am a Gentile.
I am content with:

* Every Day the Lord hath made; (Psalms 118:24)

* Paul appointed to Teach the Gentiles; (Acts 9:11 + 15)

* Gentiles shall Trust Gods Servant Jesus; (Matt 12:21)

* Pray without Ceasing; (1 Thes 5:17)

* WhereEVER, WhenEVER, two or three are gathered together in Jesus Name, Jesus is There (Matt 18:20)

Which day is set aside for Gentiles to Remember, Praise, Thank, Worship their Lord God?

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday...
Not a mystery. A particular time, a particular place, not required.
Men establishing a particular time, a particular place, not forbidden.
(Of course unless a corrupt government says so! And men yield! )

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[savedbygrace1]

No doubt you could go on and on.......all that information you gleaned in just a few weeks. Remind me to keep my cards close to my chest when I talk to folk who give themselves monikers akin to 'savedbygrace'.......the gossip is just too juicy and the propensity like a burning coal in ones pocket!!!

Oh its all true. I was absolutely staggered to find people laughing and joking whilst they took the Lords name in vain, apparantly unaware they were breaking the ten commandments whilst doing so. Never come accross that before in over four decades of going to various denominational churches. Obviously, I am not claiming in the churches I have been to there was sinless perfection. But neither was there the examples I gave, which were all FACTUALLY correct