You could be right. “ Hyper Grace” could indeed be a Heresy—— It’s actually *SUPER* Hype Grace! And how you Need it....you just don’t realize it.....Someday, when you stand in front of Him and actually SEE what Holiness and Righteousness look like.....you will be very happy that I was correct....hope it’s not too late then for you to get what I”m already aware of....
Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?
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You could be right. “ Hyper Grace” could indeed be a Heresy—— It’s actually *SUPER* Hype Grace! And how you Need it....you just don’t realize it.....Someday, when you stand in front of Him and actually SEE what Holiness and Righteousness look like.....you will be very happy that I was correct....hope it’s not too late then for you to get what I”m already aware of....
If you can sincerely say “ Jesus is Lord” , you have God's Spirit in you.....THAT is the Determining Factor.......if you cant say that with your mouth( a Faith Work, or Action) , you are “ NONE of His.....actually , if it’s in your Heart,God knows that.....you are “good to go” Salvation wise....
Regarding the true Christian, that should be a given.
Eph.2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
As we can see, the true Christian is God’s workmanship. He is created anew by God in Christ Jesus. And for what? For good works which God prepared beforehand that the true Christian should walk in them. That is the will of God which the true Christian ought to be doing. As I said, I am convinced that such is the life of the true Christian.
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BarneyFife
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Not clever at all
You seem to be implying here that those of us who don't agree with you are not good students of the Word, are ignorant, have to stand ashamed when we get stuff wrong all of the time, and cannot rightly divide the Word. I'd say that's pretty bad news for the rest of us if your assessment is correct. I think you might be puffed up a little. :)
BarneyFife
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I don't really see it. Could you explain it? Is faith without works not actually dead? Why are warnings to obey God always seen by so many as "judging?" Would you ever quote John 14:15 or James 2:20 in a Bible discussion? Do you really think anyone here believes that we are saved by works? Are these questions worth asking?
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Surely a moral Christian looks to be saved.
“ Morality” has NOTHING to do with Salvation.....Ghandi was a “ Moral” man who is Hell right now because he did not Trust in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.......Hell will be replete with Moral, “ Good Neighbor Sams”
Ghandi was MUCH more “moral” than I will ever be , perhaps.......but I got ONE thing he failed to obtain—— I go light- years beyond Moral! Because of my Trust in Jesus Christ as my Savior , I am FAR from Perfect in reality , but because of God’s Amazing Love and Grace , He * sees* me as as Perfect as His Sinless Son ....
I got the Deal that Ghandi and millions of other “ Moral” men missed out on .....the deal worked like this—- Jesus got my Sins and in turn , I got His Righteousness ( that means Perfection) Hiw-did I get this deal ? By my Faith in Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus to Save me and Keep me Saved....write this down somewhere all you “ Moral men” of “Fine Character” that think you merit Heaven....The Songs have it Correct.....” NOTHING OF MYSELF I bring—- it’s ONLY to the Cross I Cling”......”Just as I am WITHOUT ONE PLEA, except that Thy Blood was shed for me.....”and of course ,the Grand - Daddy Of them all—- “Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”.....
Any Confused, poorly taught people out there wanna disagree with these “ Holy Spirit” inspired hymns?
“ Morality” has NOTHING to do with Salvation.....Ghandi was a “ Moral” man who is Hell right now because he did not Trust in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.......Hell will be replete with Moral, “ Good Neighbor Sams”
Ghandi was MUCH more “moral” than I will ever be , perhaps.......but I got ONE thing he failed to obtain—— I go light- years beyond Moral! Because of my Trust in Jesus Christ as my Savior , I am FAR from Perfect in reality , but because of God’s Amazing Love and Grace , He * sees* me as as Perfect as His Sinless Son ....
I got the Deal that Ghandi and millions of other “ Moral” men missed out on .....the deal worked like this—- Jesus got my Sins and in turn , I got His Righteousness ( that means Perfection) Hiw-did I get this deal ? By my Faith in Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus to Save me and Keep me Saved....write this down somewhere all you “ Moral men” of “Fine Character” that think you merit Heaven....The Songs have it Correct.....” NOTHING OF MYSELF I bring—- it’s ONLY to the Cross I Cling”......”Just as I am WITHOUT ONE PLEA, except that Thy Blood was shed for me.....”and of course ,the Grand - Daddy Of them all—- “Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”.....
Any Confused, poorly taught people out there wanna disagree with these “ Holy Spirit” inspired hymns?
1stCenturyLady
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1stCenturyLady
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Only if YOU are the one whose willpower is acting. But if the Holy Spirit is actually in you, it takes an instant.
I could have very easily goofed up on this, but if perchance I got lucky, I might be “Blood Bought 1953” again—- the man you know and love so well , the Hell- Bound soul that I am.....lol.....All because I maintain that it’s really “Nothing But the Blood” for Salvation and I teach “ Jesus Saves” with no “ BUTS” attached......like “ Sure ,Jesus Saves,* BUT*, once you know “ That” you gotta....( please insert any of your “Dead Works” here, like “Lucky Repentance” ) .....
Ferris Bueller
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If you have the Holy Spirit inside of you in salvation, you will have a change of life to prove it.
If you don't have the Holy Spirit inside of you in salvation, you will have the life to prove that too.
"...let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. The one who practices sin is of the devil" 1 John 3:7-8
Hyper Grace/Cheap Grace theology says John is wrong and that how you live means nothing/shows nothing in regard to being saved because justification/salvation is by faith apart from works. They purposely ignore the Bible's teaching that those who are born again CAN'T continue in sin, or else they are showing they belong to the devil.
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God..." 1 John 3:9-10
1stCenturyLady
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You aren't able to judge me. The truth is foolishness to you based on your belief in doctrines of demons.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
AMEN!!! This side of the Cross, in this Wondrous Age Of Grace, “ Our Part” is to simply do the Will Of God, which is to “ Believe in the ONE that HE sent”.......Simply Believe Paul’s Gospel , Found In 1Cor 15:1-4 and you are “ good to go” as far as your Salvation is concerned, right? Right.
Ferris Bueller
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That's not the part that makes a person hell bound. It's thinking that the faith that saves all by itself apart from works can remain alone and it still be the faith that justifies. It can't because the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that changes a person. No change means no justification apart from the merit of works has occurred.
Even Paul says the faith that justifies is the faith that obeys God's commands to love (the summation of God's commands)—Galatians 5:6. Hyper Grace theology says Paul is wrong about that. It says faith that is 'alone' (produces no change of lifestyle) is also the faith that justifies. Sorry, folks. If you get to the judgment with faith that is 'alone' you will be condemned as an unbeliever. You have no change of life to validate the presence of justifying faith.
amigo de christo
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So dont support pope francis , who says if we have good works and love we are saved . Even muslims , even buddists , even hindus
and so forth . Stand against the doctrine of that man and our ever growing prostetant realm who is selling out to this false love stuff .
Ferris Bueller
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Given the stubborn nature of the Hyper Grace/Cheep Grace theology in people, I have to conclude that it is indeed a doctrine of demons. It is a spiritual stronghold. In fact, I go so far as to say it is the false doctrine of the end-times that decimates the visible church just before Christ returns. But it is not a spiritual stronghold that the Word of God can not tear down in those who will believe.
amigo de christo
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1stCenturyLady
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We must repent. Because we must be born again of the Spirit. Many believe in Jesus from the outside, but He is not inside them. If Jesus is in you, your desires to sin will immediately change to desires to KNOW CHRIST INTIMATELY.
Think again, Chester......I did not say these things.....GOD did......I am not talking about agreeing or disagreeing.....I am talking about trying to argue about things that should be Christianity 101..... like people trying to dispute obvious verses .....like those that swear up and down that Paul never talked about the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4 being “ HIS” Gospel.....He did it at least Three Times! You may not=like to ear that.....too bad.....and when you argue about it you just show your ignorance and you SHOULD be “ Ashamed” ......God is just saying what should be naturally true....nobody should NOT be ashamed when it’s shown that they are arguing with somebody who is a better student and just happens to know what he is talking about....
I could fill a warehouse with all the things that I am ignorant about when it comes to the Bible.....I am not “ puffed up” ..... I just try to avoid saying things that the
Entire world can see, if I am not sure about them....so hang me from the highest tree.....
Ferris Bueller
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That's how it is. That's how it was for me. I began a new life the moment I was born again. Even time is now reckoned according to the day I was born again. It's the division between my old life and my new life.
1stCenturyLady
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Yes, and why I posted this post. Everyone needs to be a Berean and look at their doctrines of liberal defeatism that "we will always sin while in these bodies." That is the biggest lie, and justifies peoples weakness for carnal desires to sin. I don't want anyone should perish from their stubborn allegiance to church fathers that taught lies, especially from the Reformation. Jesus said of them, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." That is because their premise is straight from hell.
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