Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

[Taken]

a nice wiggle

Yep, like you standing in the rain noticing you are getting wet, but not noticing the flowers blooming.

 

[Taken]

lk 10:16 applies
Also
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Suffer...uh huh...sort of like conversing with one who can’t get it.

 

[Pearl]

I was reading earlier and a character in my book went into a church and prayed this prayer:

"O Mary, Mother of grace and of mercy, defend us against the wicked spirit, reconcile us with Thy Son, commit us to His keeping, that so we may be made worthy of His promises."

So I looked it up on Google as a number of Catholics have said that they don't pray to Mary or saints. This prayer seems to contradict that. and when I looked it up on Google I found this site which included prayers to saints, again contradicting what I've bee told.
Prayer for the Family - Prayers - Catholic Online

 

[Jim B]

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EXACTLY.
The Catholic Church has devised it’s OWN doctrine, its OWN written text...
That is not secret.
Also not secret, is the Catholic Church is also, the one who promotes...
Reliance on Scripture alone, is NOT profitable, faith alone, is NOT profitable. And How convenient, they just happen to have the TEXT and repetitive FORGIVENESS “fathers” on hand, to “FIX that scripture alone and faith alone” dilemma.

Sounds like the same, ideals the US govt is operating under....create a crises, a premise, a notion of fear, and by golly they just happen to have the “FIX”!

Oldest trick in the book....to take from the same hand that hands you a crisis and a fix....and the naive who doesn’t notice it’s the same hand!

I agree with you about the Catholic denomination. I disagree with you about the US government, and am perplexed why you found it necessary to interject that into a discussion about the Catholic denomination. Clearly that is not what the discussion is about.

 

[Jim B]

I was reading earlier and a character in my book went into a church and prayed this prayer:

"O Mary, Mother of grace and of mercy, defend us against the wicked spirit, reconcile us with Thy Son, commit us to His keeping, that so we may be made worthy of His promises."

So I looked it up on Google as a number of Catholics have said that they don't pray to Mary or saints. This prayer seems to contradict that. and when I looked it up on Google I found this site which included prayers to saints, again contradicting what I've bee told.
Prayer for the Family - Prayers - Catholic Online

Catholics can deny that they pray to Mary and other "saints". (All believers are saints, i.e., sanctified). All one has to do is listen to Catholics praying to know that simply isn't true.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

(A prayer for the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus Christ.)

Say this 1,000 times and your life will become immeasurably the same!

 

[theefaith]

You like to keep posting that but the "TRUE" church does not hold traditions over their members heads or by twisting scripture like you do many, many times.

If you really love your church so much, instead of mimicikng its traditions and twisted scripture, why don't you help expose the error of its ways?

its teaching is what matters and what we are all bound to!

Jn 16:13 to church teaches without error

what is tradition?

 

[Moriah's Song]

There is no list of scripture in scripture!

That's a strawman's argument. You shoot down what is not logical to begin with! There has never at any time been a "list of scripture in scripture!"

 

[theefaith]

Always asserted, but never proven.

Mary: A Biblical Treatise

Beautiful

 

[Moriah's Song]

what is tradition?

It's what the scribes and the pharisees did that the RCC does today...made up "traditions" outside of God's Holy Word that created a heavy burden on the people they were in charge of.

Example: Not too long ago, the RCC forbid abstinence. It caused families to produce babies to be christened for the growth of the church even if they could not afford to feed such a large family.

 

[theefaith]

Luke 1:
[49] For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

The same great things He does for all who accept Serving Him as He reveals.
Those great things are His Power to accomplish Serving Him.

so all Christians are conceived by the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit?

 

[theefaith]

Suffer...uh huh...sort of like conversing with one who can’t get it.

what is the superior you submit too?

 

[Taken]

I agree with you about the Catholic denomination. I disagree with you about the US government, and am perplexed why you found it necessary to interject that into a discussion about the Catholic denomination. Clearly that is not what the discussion is about.

That what?

 

[Moriah's Song]

Beautiful

Hmmm! Sounds like the 2017 musical "Beauty and the Beast" to me.
The Plot:

"An enchantress disguised as an old beggar woman arrives at a castle during a ball and offers the host, a cruel and selfish prince, an enchanted rose in return for shelter from a storm. When he refuses the offer, the enchantress reveals her true form and transforms the prince into a beast and his servants into household objects before erasing the castle, himself, and his servants from the memories of their loved ones and everyone else in the town. She warns the prince that the curse will be broken, only if he can learn to love another and have that person love him in return by the time the last petal of the rose falls, or else he will remain a beast for the rest of his life while his servants become inanimate."​

 

[theefaith]

That's a strawman's argument. You shoot down what is not logical to begin with! There has never at any time been a "list of scripture in scripture!"

then how do know what is scripture?

Is the Gospel scripture?

 

[Moriah's Song]

Mary: A Biblical Treatise

"Beauty and the Beast"

Beautiful

Um, not quite...The RCC that you quoted titled Mary: A Biblical Treatise quite erroneously left out a very interesting part of Vine's Expositary Dictionary that says...."in Eph. 1:6, it is translated "made...accepted," A.V., freely bestowed," R.V. (lit., 'graced'); it does not here mean to endue with grace. Grace implies more than favour; grace is a free gift, favour may be deserved or gained.

Therefore, we all receive "God's free gift of grace" when we believe just as Mary did when she believed the angel's message.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Moriah's Song]

then how do know what is scripture?

Scripture starts with Genesis 1:1 and ends with Revelation 22:21....

Rev. 22:21..."He who testifies to these things ays, "Surely I am comin soon." Amen, Come, Lord Jesus!"
​

Are you sure you are ready if Jesus should come while you are sleeping tonight? He won't be bringing Mary with him. She will be resurrected with all the other dead saints.

Therefore you should be paying more attention to Rev 22:18-19..."I warn everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if any one takes away from the words described in this book of this prophecy, God wil take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are decribed in this book."

 

[theefaith]

It's what the scribes and the pharisees did that the RCC does today...made up "traditions" outside of God's Holy Word that created a heavy burden on the people they were in charge of.

Example: Not too long ago, the RCC forbid abstinence. It caused families to produce babies to be christened for the growth of the church even if the could not afford to feed such a large family.

No in this context tradition simply means teaching Matt 28:19 lk 1:4

 

[Moriah's Song]

tradition simply means teaching

teaching without scripture is useless. The RCC prefers man-made "traditions" because they get to fit their "pharasaic rules" into a scheme that holds power over the people.

 

[Taken]

so all Christians are conceived by the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit?

I didn’t mention Christians.
Humans are converted, (their title tag is irrelevant), by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit....which involves several works of God...one being receiving of the Seed of God, which is Christ, in their new heart.
It’s not a mixing of seeds. It’s not a pregnancy.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Yep, like you standing in the rain noticing you are getting wet, but not noticing the flowers blooming.

LOVE THAT!!!