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Ritajanice

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I know a bit about the Pope, my friend was a catholic.

Why do catholic’s want to kiss his hand?

Do they think he is God?

Also what about all these Catholic priests who were charged with sex .

They sound like they were wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Hiding behind Almighty Gods Name, to carry out their despicable acts.

You see, how God uncovered them?

God is always watching, he allows the Pope authority on the earth....

What actual purpose do Catholic’s serve in Gods service?

What is also to be revered about the Pope, I think some want to kiss his feet as well....that’s worshiping an idol is it not?

What does Gods word say about worshipping idols?

Do Catholic’s and the pope believe they are Born Of The Spirit?

Maybe I will get some answers from Catholic’s themselves.....?

If they believe they are Born Again.....what does God say about those who have been Born Of His seed?

Have they been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Also what’s with all this confessions they do.?

What brings them to the understanding that their religion is God Truth?

How did they come to that conclusion?
 
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Ritajanice

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Very interesting Got commentary.


What does the Bible say about the pope / papacy?​

translate Bible pope, Bible papacy
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The Roman Catholic Church’s teaching about the pope (“pope” means “father”) is built upon and involves the following Roman Catholic teachings:

1) Christ made Peter the leader of the apostles and of the church (Matthew 16:18-19). In giving Peter the “keys of the kingdom,” Christ not only made him leader, but also made him infallible when he acted or spoke as Christ’s representative on earth (speaking from the seat of authority, or “ex cathedra”). This ability to act on behalf of the church in an infallible way when speaking “ex cathedra” was passed on to Peter’s successors, thus giving the church an infallible guide on earth. The purpose of the papacy is to lead the church unerringly.

2) Peter later became the first bishop of Rome. As bishop of Rome, he exercised authority over all other bishops and church leaders. The teaching that the bishop of Rome is above all other bishops in authority is referred to as the “primacy” of the Roman bishop.

3) Peter passed on his apostolic authority to the next bishop of Rome, along with the other apostles who passed on their apostolic authority to the bishops that they ordained. These new bishops, in turn, passed on that apostolic authority to those bishops that they later ordained, and so on. This “passing on of apostolic authority” is referred to as “apostolic succession.”

4) Based upon the claim of an unbroken chain of Roman bishops, Roman Catholics teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, and that all churches that do not accept the primacy of the pope have broken away from them, the original and one true church.

Having briefly reviewed some of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church concerning the papacy, the question is whether those teachings are in agreement with Scripture. The Roman Catholic Church sees the papacy and the infallible teaching authority of “Mother Church” as being necessary to guide the church, and uses that as logical reasoning for God’s provision of it. But in examining Scripture, we find the following:

1) While Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles or over the church (see Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; 1 Peter 5:1-5). Nor is it ever taught that the bishop of Rome was to have primacy over the church. Rather, there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome, found in 1 Peter 5:13. Primarily from this, and the historical rise of the influence of the bishop of Rome (due to the support of Constantine and the Roman emperors who followed him), come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the primacy of the bishop of Rome. However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20) and that the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

2) Nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is cited in the Bible as infallible. The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. Paul does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority,” but rather to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32).

Again, the Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error. In Galatians 1:8-9, Paul states that it is not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error. While the Roman Catholic Church continues to pronounce a curse to hell, or “anathema,” upon those who would reject the authority of the pope, Scripture reserves that curse for those who would teach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

3) While the Roman Catholic Church sees apostolic succession as logically necessary in order for God to unerringly guide the church, Scripture states that God has provided for His church through the following:

(a) Infallible Scripture, (Acts 20:32; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Acts 17:10-12; Isaiah 8:20; 40:8; etc.) Note: Peter speaks of Paul’s writings in the same category as other Scripture (2 Peter 3:16),

(b) Christ’s unending high-priesthood in heaven (Hebrews 7:22-28),

(c) The provision of the Holy Spirit who guided the apostles into truth after Christ’s death (John 16:12-14), who gifts believers for the work of the ministry, including teaching (Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16), and who uses the written Word as His chief tool (Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 6:17).

While there have seemingly been good (humanly speaking) and moral men who have served as pope of the Roman Catholic Church—some point to Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis I as examples—the Roman Catholic teaching about the office of the pope should be rejected because it is not “in continuity” with the teachings of the New Testament. This comparison of any church’s teaching is essential, lest we miss the New Testament’s teaching concerning the gospel and not only miss eternal life in heaven ourselves but unwittingly lead others down the wrong path (Galatians 1:8-9).
 

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Again, the Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error


Also this is NOT a bashing Catholic thread.please don’t come in here to bash them.

Just truth is what we are after.

I would just like to know if they worship the pope.

Plus, why do they believe their religion is the truth?
 
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Again, the Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error
I have to point out some circular reasoning here. (Scripture cannot declare itself to be truth, and then prove it by pointing to its own declaration. That would be lifting itself up by its own bootstraps.) But first, I need to ask: Is Gal. 1:8-9 (which doesn't mention Scripture) your proof text for this conclusion?
 

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I have to point out some circular reasoning here. (Scripture cannot declare itself to be truth, and then prove it by pointing to its own declaration. That would be lifting itself up by its own bootstraps.) But first, I need to ask: Is Gal. 1:8-9 (which doesn't mention Scripture) your proof text for this conclusion?
Ah, but it can, we have the Living witness the Holy Spirit, His Spirit In our spirit backs up Gods written word?

Unless of course you believe that those under the influence of the Spirit were fake?

Are you saying the Bible is not the inspired word, who was written through men under the influence of the Spirit of God?

Galatians 1:8-9

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8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
 

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Ah, but it can, we have the Living witness the Holy Spirit, His Spirit In our spirit backs up Gods written word?

Unless of course you believe that those under the influence of the Spirit were fake?
Bingo! The Holy Spirit can convince us of the truth of Scripture. Scripture itself cannot. Big difference. (Proof has to come from an outside source; the written word is not self-proving.)
 
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Bingo! The Holy Spirit can convince us of the truth of Scripture. Scripture itself cannot. Big difference. (Proof has to come from an outside source; the written word is not self-proving.)
Absolutely the written word is exactly that, it must be backed up by the Living Holy Spirit who witnesses Gods truth to our hearts/spirit.

What I’m trying to say, the Living witness the Holy Spirit backs up the written word of Gods truth.

We know nothing of scripture without the Living Holy Spirit.
 
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Once again members, please don’t come in here bashing Catholic’s. if I see that, I will have the thread closed.

This is a discussion board, not a “ Boxing Ring”. thank you.
 

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Bingo! The Holy Spirit can convince us of the truth of Scripture. Scripture itself cannot. Big difference. (Proof has to come from an outside source; the written word is not self-proving.)
I tell you what, there are some, who actually believe that the Bible is God and I’m being serious.
 

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Why Do catholic’s worship the pope

Those following doctrines of demons have to have some form of darkness to worship.


The Holy Spirit can convince us of the truth of Scripture. Scripture itself cannot

And yet without scripture one would never know the Holy Ghost or the Lord Jesus at all.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
 
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I know a bit about the Pope, my friend was a catholic.

Why do catholic’s want to kiss his hand?

Do they think he is God?

Also what about all these Catholic priests who were charged with sex abuse?

If they were Born Of The Spirit, they would NEVER have committed that disgusting sin?

They sound like they were wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Hiding behind Almighty Gods Name, to carry out their despicable acts.

You see, how God uncovered them?

God is always watching, he allows the Pope authority on the earth....

What actual purpose do Catholic’s serve in Gods service?

What is also to be revered about the Pope, I think some want to kiss his feet as well....that’s worshiping an idol is it not?

What does Gods word say about worshipping idols?

Do Catholic’s and the pope believe they are Born Of The Spirit?

Maybe I will get some answers from Catholic’s themselves.....?

If they believe they are Born Again.....what does God say about those who have been Born Of His seed?

Have they been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Also what’s with all this confessions they do.?

What brings them to the understanding that their religion is God Truth?

How did they come to that conclusion?

  • A true Christian worships God alone and obeys His commandments. Christians (Catholics) teach that only God is God and He alone is to be worshiped. Acts of veneration, e.g., kissing/touching, kneeling, bowing, etc., towards holy figures such as the Blessed Virgin Mary and Pope Francis, do not make them idols/gods any more than it does a king or queen. It's one's intentions behind such acts that either elevates an inanimate object or person to that of an idol/god or not.

  • To be "born again of water" means to be baptized by water (Jn.3:5). To be "born of the Spirit" means to receive within our soul the nature of God: love (1 Jn. 4:7-13, Gal. 5:22). In 1 Pet. 1-25, Peter speaks of those "born again through the imperishable seed," that seed which he said is the "living and enduring Word of God." What does that mean? Considering the context of the entire chapter, it means through the resurrection of Jesus (the living and enduring Word of God) from the dead we are born again into the living hope of eternal life in Heaven which one obtains through Grace, Faith, and obedience to God. None of these mean that one will become immune to the temptation of evil.

  • Anyone who commits sexual immorality offends God and his/her neighbor, and those guilty of it who were/are caretakers of souls will be held more accountable to Him. In response to observing our fellow brothers and sisters having offended God and neighbor, we should not judge, but if we must judge then it would be better to do so with charity. We do that by acknowledging that they possess a soul that is subject to the temptation of evil just as we do; that they failed to resist evil temptation, and thus have sinned just as we have; and that they are loved by God just as we are, then pray for them to the Father in the hope they will repent and receive forgiveness (Jas. 5:15-16).

  • The Sacrament of Confession was instituted by Jesus. He granted His apostles (the first priests and Christian Church leaders) the Holy Spirit, and the authority to listen to and forgive sins in the name of God (Jn. 20:23). Since then, Christians have gone to them and their successors to confess and repent of sins, and thus receive from God His Grace and forgiveness through them.

  • God's Truth can be found wherever and to whomever He reveals it. However, the Christian (Catholic) Church is a hierarchy instituted by Jesus, He being the Head and we (Christians) its members. Jesus spent three years training the apostles for their future roles in the Church as the first priests and leaders of Christians, with Peter being the first among equals. For over two-thousand years, Peter's position has continued to be succeeded by Divine Will, which is commonly known now as the "Papal" position. This body of Christians is the "one fold" Jesus spoke of desiring to bring sheep of "all other folds" into (Jn. 10:16).
 
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  • A true Christian worships God alone and obeys His commandments. Catholics (Christians) teach that only God is God and should alone be worshipped. Acts of veneration, ie., kissing/touching, kneeling, bowing, etc., towards holy figures, e.g., the Blessed Virgin Mary, Pope Francis, etc., do not make them idols/gods any more than it does a king or queen. It's one's intentions behind such acts that either elevates an inimate object or person to that of an idol/god or not.

  • To be "born again "means to become like a child, whereas "born of the Spirit" means to receive within our soul the nature of God: love, and neither means that one will become immune to the temptation of evil.

  • Anyone who commits sexual immorality offends God and his/her neighbor, and those guilty of it who were/are caretakers of souls will be held more accountable to Him. In response to observing our fellow brothers and sisters having offended God and neighbor, we should not judge, but if we must judge then it would be better to do so with charity. We do that by acknowledging that they possess a soul that is subject to the temptation of evil just as we do; that they failed to resist evil temptation, and thus have sinned just as we have; that they are loved by God just as we are, and then pray for them to the Father in the hope they will repent and receive forgiveness (Jas. 5:15-16).

  • The Sacrament of Confession was instituted by Jesus. He granted His apostles (the first priests and Christian Church leaders) the Holy Spirit, and the authority to listen to and forgive sins in the name of God (Jn. 20:23). Since then, Christians have gone to them and their successors to confess and repent of sins, and thus receive from God His Grace and forgiveness through them.

  • God's Truth can be found wherever and to whomever He reveals it. However, the Christian (Catholic) Church is a hierarchy instituted by Jesus, He being the Head and we (Christians) its members. Jesus spent three years training the apostles for their future roles in the Church as the first priests and leaders of Christians, with Peter being the first among equals. For over two-thousand years, Peter's position has continued to be succeeded by Divine Will, which is commonly known now as the "Papal" position. This body of Christians is the "one fold" Jesus spoke of desiring to bring sheep of "all other folds" into (Jn. 10:16).
You have just voiced your opinion.

I have no understanding of what you say here, thanks for taking the time to reply.
 

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To be "born again "means to become like a child, whereas "born of the Spirit" means to receive within our soul the nature of God: love, and neither means that one will become immune to the temptation of evil.
By the way none of this is biblical.

Gods word is very easy to understand as long has one has been Born Of The Spirit.

Do you actually know anything about being Born Again of Gods seed?
 

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You have just voiced your opinion.

I have no understanding of what you say here, thanks for taking the time to reply.

You expressed interest in receiving answers from a Catholic, which I am, to questions pertaining to the Christian (Catholic) Church/Scripture. Therefore, I answered with facts not opinions.
 

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You expressed interest in receiving answers from a Catholic, which I am, to questions pertaining to the Christian (Catholic) Church/Scripture. Therefore, I answered with facts not opinions.
None of what you posted are facts.

There what you believe as a Catholic , they are your facts....nothing “ spiritual “in your post whatsoever.

I am Born Again and am Spirit led....not led by man’s knowledge, which is NO knowledge at all.

How would you know how to be obedient to God?

How do you know that God is who he says he is?
 
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None of what you posted are facts.

There what you believe as a Catholic , they are your facts....

If you do not want "Christian (Catholic) facts (answers)," then why did you create this thread, and ask questions pertaining to the Christian (Catholic) Church for Catholics to answer?
 
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If you don't want "Christian (Catholic) facts (answers)," then why did you create this thread, and ask questions pertaining to the Christian (Catholic) Church for Catholics to answer?
Because Catholic don’t speak Gods truth.regarding being Born Of The Spirit .....you see being Born Again from your own perspective and teaching, I’m not bashing you I’m posting facts.

You don’t understand the Living witness, the Holy Spirit?

From reading their answers , including your answers.

They “ you” have yet to answer my questions?

This is the 3 rd time I have asked?

Anyway we best stay on topic...will leave it there.
 
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