Why Did Jesus Have to Die?

[Episkopos]

Jesus Christ came into the world, a world He had co-created with His Father. But, the world did not recognize Him. Instead, He was deemed to be worthy of death. Why did Jesus allow Himself to be treated in this way?

 

[quietthinker]

Why Did Jesus Have to Die?​

Because men couldn't stand his holiness.

 

[Johann]

Jesus Christ came into the world, a world He had co-created with His Father. But, the world did not recognize Him. Instead, He was deemed to be worthy of death. Why did Jesus allow Himself to be treated in this way?

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

To fulfil the plan of God...he was the obedient Son, that the Father sent in his Name.

He died so that we can have life, spirit life, we are reconciled back to God , by the death and resurrection of Christ, also by becoming Born Of The Spirit...we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My opinion/ testimony/ belief.

 

[Johann]

To fulfil the plan of God...he was the obedient Son, that the Father sent in his Name.

He died so that we can have life, spirit life, we are reconciled back to God , by the death and resurrection of Christ, also by becoming Born Of The Spirit...we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My opinion/ testimony/ belief.

Fully concur, now what I want you to do is use the Scriptures on every point you made.

J.

 

[IronMaiden]

Jesus Christ came into the world, a world He had co-created with His Father. But, the world did not recognize Him. Instead, He was deemed to be worthy of death. Why did Jesus allow Himself to be treated in this way?

Because God loved us so much.

John 3:16 (NKJV) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[IronMaiden]

To fulfil the plan of God...he was the obedient Son, that the Father sent in his Name.

He died so that we can have life, spirit life, we are reconciled back to God , by the death and resurrection of Christ, also by becoming Born Of The Spirit...we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My opinion/ testimony/ belief.

I agree.

 

[Simonides]

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[Episkopos]

There are several reasons given in the scriptures for why Christ had to die.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

That's not accurate. Without shedding of blood there is no sanctification. Modern bibles translate the word the Greek aphesis incorrectly. Jesus came to set us free from sin...not forgive us for continuing sin.

 

[Laurina]

There are several reasons given in the scriptures for why Christ had to die.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Heb. 13:12
Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

 

[Johann]

That's not accurate. Without shedding of blood there is no sanctification. Modern bibles translate the word the Greek aphesis incorrectly. Jesus came to set us free from sin...not forgive us for continuing sin.

Scriptural Basis for Forgiveness Through Bloodshed

Hebrews 9:22 (Textus Receptus): "καὶ σχεδὸν ἐν αἵματι πάντα καθαρίζεται κατὰ τὸν νόμον, καὶ χωρὶς αἱματεκχυσίας οὐ γίνεται ἄφεσις."

Translation: "And almost all things are purified by blood according to the law, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness (aphesis)."
The term aphesis (ἀφέσις) means "release," "pardon," or "forgiveness," and in this context refers explicitly to the remission of sins. This verse establishes the principle that forgiveness (aphesis) is inseparable from the shedding of blood.

Leviticus 17:11 (LXX): "Ἡ γὰρ ψυχὴ τῆς σαρκὸς ἐν τῷ αἵματί ἐστιν· κἀγὼ δέδωκα αὐτὸ ὑμῖν ἐπὶ τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου ἐξιλάσκεσθαι περὶ τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν· τὸ γὰρ αἷμα αὐτοῦ ἀντὶ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐξιλασθήσεται."

Translation: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul."

Blood is presented as necessary for atonement, tying forgiveness directly to sacrificial bloodshed.

2. Forgiveness Is Central to the Messiah’s Mission
Matthew 26:28: "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission (aphesis) of sins."

Jesus explicitly states that His blood is shed for the aphesis of sins, meaning forgiveness or remission, not merely "freedom" from sin.

Isaiah 53:5 (LXX): "αὐτὸς δὲ ἐτραυματίσθη διὰ τὰς ἀνομίας ἡμῶν καὶ μεμαλάκισται διὰ τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν· παιδεία εἰρήνης ἡμῶν ἐπʼ αὐτόν, τῷ μώλωπι αὐτοῦ ἡμεῖς ἰάθημεν."

Translation: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, and he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we were healed."

The suffering servant bears sin to bring forgiveness and reconciliation to humanity.

3. Definition of Aphesis in Context
The Greek term aphesis (ἀφέσις) primarily means "release" or "forgiveness."

In Leviticus 16:22 (LXX), the scapegoat "carries away" the sins of the people, foreshadowing Christ’s ultimate act of carrying away sin.

The term is not used in Greek Scripture to mean "freedom to avoid future sin," but rather to denote forgiveness or pardon for past sins.

4. Jesus’ Mission to Set Us Free Includes Forgiveness

Luke 4:18 (quoting Isaiah 61:1): "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty (aphesis) them that are bruised."

Here, aphesis is used in the sense of liberation from sin and its consequences, including forgiveness. Forgiveness is a necessary step toward liberation, not opposed to it.

John 8:34-36: Jesus teaches that those who sin are slaves to sin, but "if the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

Forgiveness of sin, accomplished through Christ's blood, is the means by which believers are freed from sin’s penalty and power.

5. Sanctification Follows Forgiveness

Hebrews 10:10-14: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all... For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

Sanctification is a result of Christ's atoning sacrifice, but forgiveness (aphesis) is foundational. The shedding of blood secures forgiveness, which enables the believer to walk in sanctification.

Conclusion
Scripture does not support your claim that aphesis is mistranslated as "forgiveness" or that forgiveness is secondary to liberation.

Rather, forgiveness through the shedding of blood is the means by which believers are freed from sin’s penalty and are sanctified. Your claim overlooks the consistent witness of Scripture and the LXX that forgiveness is central to God’s redemptive plan.

J.

 

[Laurina]

That's not accurate. Without shedding of blood there is no sanctification. Modern bibles translate the word the Greek aphesis incorrectly. Jesus came to set us free from sin...not forgive us for continuing sin.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty (aphesis) them that are bruised,

 

[Simonides]

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[Laurina]

Translation: "And almost all things are purified by blood according to the law, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness (aphesis)."
The term aphesis (ἀφέσις) means "release," "pardon," or "forgiveness," and in this context refers explicitly to the remission of sins. This verse establishes the principle that forgiveness (aphesis) is inseparable from the shedding of blood.

G859
ἄφεσις
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Total KJV occurrences: 17

Looking up aphesis using e-sword.... this is where I took the definition from.

Heb 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no aphesis (freedom).”

 

[Titus]

Scriptural Basis for Forgiveness Through Bloodshed

Hebrews 9:22 (Textus Receptus): "καὶ σχεδὸν ἐν αἵματι πάντα καθαρίζεται κατὰ τὸν νόμον, καὶ χωρὶς αἱματεκχυσίας οὐ γίνεται ἄφεσις."

Translation: "And almost all things are purified by blood according to the law, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness (aphesis)."
The term aphesis (ἀφέσις) means "release," "pardon," or "forgiveness," and in this context refers explicitly to the remission of sins. This verse establishes the principle that forgiveness (aphesis) is inseparable from the shedding of blood.

Leviticus 17:11 (LXX): "Ἡ γὰρ ψυχὴ τῆς σαρκὸς ἐν τῷ αἵματί ἐστιν· κἀγὼ δέδωκα αὐτὸ ὑμῖν ἐπὶ τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου ἐξιλάσκεσθαι περὶ τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν· τὸ γὰρ αἷμα αὐτοῦ ἀντὶ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐξιλασθήσεται."

Translation: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul."

Blood is presented as necessary for atonement, tying forgiveness directly to sacrificial bloodshed.

2. Forgiveness Is Central to the Messiah’s Mission
Matthew 26:28: "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission (aphesis) of sins."

Jesus explicitly states that His blood is shed for the aphesis of sins, meaning forgiveness or remission, not merely "freedom" from sin.

Isaiah 53:5 (LXX): "αὐτὸς δὲ ἐτραυματίσθη διὰ τὰς ἀνομίας ἡμῶν καὶ μεμαλάκισται διὰ τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν· παιδεία εἰρήνης ἡμῶν ἐπʼ αὐτόν, τῷ μώλωπι αὐτοῦ ἡμεῖς ἰάθημεν."

Translation: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, and he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we were healed."

The suffering servant bears sin to bring forgiveness and reconciliation to humanity.

3. Definition of Aphesis in Context
The Greek term aphesis (ἀφέσις) primarily means "release" or "forgiveness."

In Leviticus 16:22 (LXX), the scapegoat "carries away" the sins of the people, foreshadowing Christ’s ultimate act of carrying away sin.

The term is not used in Greek Scripture to mean "freedom to avoid future sin," but rather to denote forgiveness or pardon for past sins.

4. Jesus’ Mission to Set Us Free Includes Forgiveness

Luke 4:18 (quoting Isaiah 61:1): "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty (aphesis) them that are bruised."

Here, aphesis is used in the sense of liberation from sin and its consequences, including forgiveness. Forgiveness is a necessary step toward liberation, not opposed to it.

John 8:34-36: Jesus teaches that those who sin are slaves to sin, but "if the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

Forgiveness of sin, accomplished through Christ's blood, is the means by which believers are freed from sin’s penalty and power.

5. Sanctification Follows Forgiveness

Hebrews 10:10-14: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all... For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

Sanctification is a result of Christ's atoning sacrifice, but forgiveness (aphesis) is foundational. The shedding of blood secures forgiveness, which enables the believer to walk in sanctification.

Conclusion
Scripture does not support your claim that aphesis is mistranslated as "forgiveness" or that forgiveness is secondary to liberation.

Rather, forgiveness through the shedding of blood is the means by which believers are freed from sin’s penalty and are sanctified. Your claim overlooks the consistent witness of Scripture and the LXX that forgiveness is central to God’s redemptive plan.

J.

Matthew 26:28 ; Acts 2:38,
- this is my blood of the covenant which is shed for many for the remission of sins
- repent and let all of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Same exact Greek words.
Shedding of blood for what?
Repentance and baptism for what?

 

[Lambano]

Why Did Jesus Have to Die?​

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Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. - Philippians 2:8

 

[Lambano]

"Forgiveness" is relationship concept. It basically means the offense will not break the relationship; like the cancellation of the debt

Blood sacrifice for remission of sins is more of a holiness concept - a washing away the "uncleanness" of the offender.

I'm surprised aphesis and the verb form aphiemi are used for both.

 

[Johann]

G859
ἄφεσις
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Total KJV occurrences: 17

Looking up aphesis using e-sword.... this is where I took the definition from.

Heb 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no aphesis (freedom).”

You emphasize "freedom" while overlooking the broader semantic range that the term "forgiveness" encompasses.

Total Occurrences: 17
ἀφέσει aphései (2) N-DSF
the remission Luk_1:77
liberty Luk_4:18
ἄφεσιν áphesin (12) N-ASF
deliverance Luk_4:18
forgiveness Act_5:31, Act_26:18, Eph_1:7, Col_1:14
never forgiveness Mar_3:29, w/G2756 G1519 G165
remission Mat_26:28, Mar_1:4, Luk_24:47, Act_10:43
the remission Luk_3:3, Act_2:38
ἄφεσις áphesis (3) N-NSF
the forgiveness Act_13:38
remission Heb_9:22, Heb_10:18
English to Strong’s
deliverance G629, G859
forgiveness G859
liberty G425, G630, G859, G1657, G1658, G1849, G2010
remission G859, G3929


Forgiveness of Sins
Definition: Forgiveness (Greek: ἄφεσις, aphesis) refers to the cancellation of the penalty or debt of sin, allowing the sinner to be reconciled to God. It is God’s gracious act of pardoning iniquity and removing the guilt associated with sin.
Scriptural Basis:

Ephesians 1:7: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace."

Colossians 1:14: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

Focus: Forgiveness addresses the judicial aspect of salvation—cleansing the sinner’s record and restoring their standing before God.

2. Freedom from Sin

Definition: Freedom (Greek: ἐλευθερία, eleutheria; or release as an implication of aphesis) refers to deliverance from the dominion, power, and bondage of sin. It is the result of being liberated from sin’s controlling influence through the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Scriptural Basis:

John 8:36: "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

Romans 6:6-7: "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."

Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Focus: Freedom emphasizes liberation from sin’s mastery over one’s life, enabling the believer to live in righteousness and obedience to God.

Key Differences
Aspect Forgiveness of Sins Freedom from Sin
Judicial vs. Transformational Addresses the legal penalty of sin (pardon) Addresses the power and presence of sin (deliverance)

Focus Reconciliation with God and removal of guilt Liberation from sin’s dominion and control

Means Accomplished through Christ’s atoning sacrifice Empowered by the Holy Spirit and union with Christ
Scriptural Image Being cleansed (Psalm 51:2; 1 John 1:9) Being set free from slavery (Romans 6:18)
Relationship Between Forgiveness and Freedom

Forgiveness Leads to Freedom:

The forgiveness of sins removes the penalty of sin, paving the way for freedom from its power. A forgiven person is no longer bound to sin’s guilt and condemnation (cf. Romans 8:1-2).

Freedom Includes Forgiveness:

True freedom from sin necessarily involves forgiveness because the removal of guilt is integral to breaking sin’s hold over a person. Forgiveness is part of the broader work of salvation that includes justification, sanctification, and eventual glorification.

Biblical Overlap (ἄφεσις – Aphesis):

The Greek word aphesis, often translated as “forgiveness,” also carries the connotation of “release” or “liberation” (cf. Luke 4:18). This dual meaning highlights that forgiveness and freedom are intertwined—Jesus’ sacrifice not only forgives sin but also liberates from sin’s bondage.

Biblical Examples of the Distinction

Luke 4:18 (quoting Isaiah 61:1, LXX):

Jesus declares: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me... to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives."
Here, aphesis emphasizes both forgiveness (release from guilt) and liberation (freedom from captivity to sin).

Romans 6:18-22:

Paul explains that believers are freed from sin and become servants of righteousness. This freedom is the result of being justified (forgiven) and empowered to live in obedience.
Colossians 1:13-14:

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

Redemption involves both forgiveness (legal release) and deliverance (freedom from sin’s rule).

Forgiveness and freedom are distinct yet inseparable aspects of salvation. Forgiveness deals with the legal penalty of sin by removing guilt, while freedom addresses the power and presence of sin, enabling believers to live righteously. Together, they reflect the comprehensive work of Christ’s redemption, freeing humanity from both the penalty and power of sin.

J.

 

[Episkopos]

You emphasize "freedom" while overlooking the broader semantic range that the term "forgiveness" encompasses.

Total Occurrences: 17
ἀφέσει aphései (2) N-DSF
the remission Luk_1:77
liberty Luk_4:18
ἄφεσιν áphesin (12) N-ASF
deliverance Luk_4:18
forgiveness Act_5:31, Act_26:18, Eph_1:7, Col_1:14
never forgiveness Mar_3:29, w/G2756 G1519 G165
remission Mat_26:28, Mar_1:4, Luk_24:47, Act_10:43
the remission Luk_3:3, Act_2:38
ἄφεσις áphesis (3) N-NSF
the forgiveness Act_13:38
remission Heb_9:22, Heb_10:18
English to Strong’s
deliverance G629, G859
forgiveness G859
liberty G425, G630, G859, G1657, G1658, G1849, G2010
remission G859, G3929


Forgiveness of Sins
Definition: Forgiveness (Greek: ἄφεσις, aphesis) refers to the cancellation of the penalty or debt of sin, allowing the sinner to be reconciled to God. It is God’s gracious act of pardoning iniquity and removing the guilt associated with sin.
Scriptural Basis:

Ephesians 1:7: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace."

Colossians 1:14: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

Focus: Forgiveness addresses the judicial aspect of salvation—cleansing the sinner’s record and restoring their standing before God.

2. Freedom from Sin

Definition: Freedom (Greek: ἐλευθερία, eleutheria; or release as an implication of aphesis) refers to deliverance from the dominion, power, and bondage of sin. It is the result of being liberated from sin’s controlling influence through the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Scriptural Basis:

John 8:36: "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

Romans 6:6-7: "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."

Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Focus: Freedom emphasizes liberation from sin’s mastery over one’s life, enabling the believer to live in righteousness and obedience to God.

Key Differences
Aspect Forgiveness of Sins Freedom from Sin
Judicial vs. Transformational Addresses the legal penalty of sin (pardon) Addresses the power and presence of sin (deliverance)

Focus Reconciliation with God and removal of guilt Liberation from sin’s dominion and control

Means Accomplished through Christ’s atoning sacrifice Empowered by the Holy Spirit and union with Christ
Scriptural Image Being cleansed (Psalm 51:2; 1 John 1:9) Being set free from slavery (Romans 6:18)
Relationship Between Forgiveness and Freedom

Forgiveness Leads to Freedom:

The forgiveness of sins removes the penalty of sin, paving the way for freedom from its power. A forgiven person is no longer bound to sin’s guilt and condemnation (cf. Romans 8:1-2).

Freedom Includes Forgiveness:

True freedom from sin necessarily involves forgiveness because the removal of guilt is integral to breaking sin’s hold over a person. Forgiveness is part of the broader work of salvation that includes justification, sanctification, and eventual glorification.

Biblical Overlap (ἄφεσις – Aphesis):

The Greek word aphesis, often translated as “forgiveness,” also carries the connotation of “release” or “liberation” (cf. Luke 4:18). This dual meaning highlights that forgiveness and freedom are intertwined—Jesus’ sacrifice not only forgives sin but also liberates from sin’s bondage.

Biblical Examples of the Distinction

Luke 4:18 (quoting Isaiah 61:1, LXX):

Jesus declares: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me... to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives."
Here, aphesis emphasizes both forgiveness (release from guilt) and liberation (freedom from captivity to sin).

Romans 6:18-22:

Paul explains that believers are freed from sin and become servants of righteousness. This freedom is the result of being justified (forgiven) and empowered to live in obedience.
Colossians 1:13-14:

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

Redemption involves both forgiveness (legal release) and deliverance (freedom from sin’s rule).

Forgiveness and freedom are distinct yet inseparable aspects of salvation. Forgiveness deals with the legal penalty of sin by removing guilt, while freedom addresses the power and presence of sin, enabling believers to live righteously. Together, they reflect the comprehensive work of Christ’s redemption, freeing humanity from both the penalty and power of sin.

J.

If you tell a lie often enough...as if it's an official truth...people WILL buy it...especially if it caters to the flesh.

For example the word "bad" used to mean "not good". But "figuratively" it can mean good in the modern world. And this finds its way into dictionaries because meanings follow society.

There is no forgiveness implied in the word "aphesis". Likewise the Hebrew "Deror" only means freedom. Aphesis is used for Deror across testaments (but that takes too much effort to check). People believe a lie far quicker than the truth. Hence the modern church condition.

 

[Laurina]

G859
ἄφεσις
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Total KJV occurrences: 17

Looking up aphesis using e-sword.... this is where I took the definition from.

Heb 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no aphesis (freedom).”

@Johann

Aphesis means freedom....it is used 17 times in the New Testament and is translated as: deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, and remission by the translators for whatever reasons (use your imaginations).