Why would god have just put dinosaurs on earth ? So there was just random dinosaurs roaming the earth for thousands of years and then a meteor hit earth and they all went extinct?? What was the point in that? I want to believe that god is real but, there’s so many things that doesn’t make sense to me
Why did god put dinosaurs on earth and what was the point of that era of earth?
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Debp
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You should look at the following website... it's by scientists that believe in the Biblical account of creation.
They have many articles and videos that might answer your questions.
DuckieLady
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There were also giants before the flood.
ScottA
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The world is not what it seems. It's not a strange physical addition added on to God's greater kingdom. The addition was and is spiritual.
To the contrary, the physical world is not the "real" world, but is a mere "image" as God declared from the beginning when He made mankind of the same elements of the universe. What this would-be physical world actually is, is a spiritual manifestation of everything everyone ever believed. In the end, it will cease to exist, for it is conceived within the mind of God, and to be finished.
I don’t know @TexasRanger. I never seen a dinosaur myself. Ives always thought they were pretty radical when I would see them in children’s information books, but even Jurassic Park type of era; did it really exist? I just don’t know. It’s on par with having faith that Yahavah exists. It seems something that is just faithfully believed in. Real? Are the bones in the dinosaur museum real? I don’t know; but I do believe in God faithfully who sent his Son Jesus, who died and rose again for the payment of all sins and his rising again by the Holy Spirit of God for justification that sin was paid for once and for all on the cross, and that all people have a choice now today to believe and have no loss within the value of faith itself.
So personally I don’t believe that God just placed dinosaurs here. There are different views within Christianity about the age of the earth and the processes God was involved in and what all he did.
When it comes to Genesis there are a few different ways that people interpret it. Some see Genesis 1-11 and believe that it’s meant to be read literally and some believe it’s meant to be read metaphorically. Here are a few of those approaches.
1. Young earth creationism. They approach the Bible in a way that is the least supported by Biblical Scholarship and science. They don’t use what is called contextual analysis to understand the stories. Contextual analysis means being objective about literary interpretation and considering things like genre, literary tropes, cultural norms and the purpose to a story. Instead they read it in a fashion called plain text reading. They read an English translation and make it fit into their modern worldview. There are dozens and dozens of reasons why that fails. They think the earth is 6-10,000 years old or so and was made in 6 days and that within the first thousand years or so dinosaurs were made and died out in a flood and then the survivors in the ark died shortly after getting off.
2. Is old earth creationism. This approach is a bit more diverse. In this camp some believe that animals evolved but not humans, and some think humans evolved too. Some think there are two types of humans. Those that evolved and those that God specifically made supernaturally (Adam and Eve ) and so on. This stance can be a bit more supported by science, history and biblical scholarship but it can also be just as anti scientific as the previous with strange leaps being made in theology. But one standard view is that the days in Genesis 1 means ages and that those ages span millions of years. That dinosaurs still evolved and that eventually they died off. But some of the strangeness is that they take the 6 points of creation literally but not the day and night. This runs into problems issues such as the order of creation according to the days don’t match the order we find in the fossil record.
It says fruit trees developed before fish and before land animal. But angiosperms ( flowering plants ) evolved after fish, and even after dinosaurs. The earliest plants was green algae. This moved to land most likely as lichen type species and became club mosses, which became ferns and their allies ( spore bearing )which became cone bearing ( gymnosperms ) and lastly fruit bearing (angiosperms ). After animals like birds and bats came after ground animals. Though insects predated tetrapods.
The third stance is one called Evolutionary Creationism. They approach genesis as overwhelmingly not literal. They tend to have interpretations that best match not only what biblical scholarship lands on overwhelmingly, but also most closely matches what fits with reality and therefore is supported by science. They know that Genesis is not meant to be read literally. That Genesis 1 and 2 are actually types of ancient genres of poetry. That much of it is a sort of reimagining of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Since they know it’s written as a myth, they don’t have to use the lens of concordism to read the Bible but uses what is called accomondationism. They believe that all life evolved from a common ancestor. They believe that Adam and Eve are characters, not people. They believe that when Jesus mentions them he’s thinking of the characters, not literal people also just like if we say someone is Hercules strong we don’t necessarily mean to imply Hercules is a real person. They believe that God through the Holy Spirit intervened throughout the evolutionary process to help bring about his vision. There is another group within this that does not believe God was intervening with creation and tend to go by Christian Naturalist ( which is what I am ).
So I think that perhaps you understand a little bit about the theory of evolution. That maybe you are a little bit convinced it may be true but that you can’t make it fit with what the Bible says. I was at that point in my life too 15-20 years ago and so had millions of others. What’s important to remember is that the Bible is not necessarily the same as your interpretation of the Bible. That your battle may not be with science and the Bible itself, but with your understanding of science versus your interpretation of genesis which leads to those conflicts dinosaurs and there roles. It often takes a few years of serious biblical reflection and interpretation to work out your own thoughts. It’s called a paradigm shift because you will begin to shift how you read the Bible. But you can do it. The opposite of faith is atheism, but the opposite of young earth/old earth creationism is not atheism. Their opposite is evolutionary creationism and Christian naturalism which both are still part of faith and the opposite of atheism. Atheists don’t own the theory of evolution. Hundreds of millions of Christians accept evolution and out of roughly 8,000,000 globally, 20-40% of those are people with faith and many of those are Christians. A million or so scientists are Christians who believe in God and Jesus and read the Bible. But out of that million, only about 10,000 believe in YECism. It’s about 0.5% of those are young earthers out of the Christians and that means 0.09% of those in total are YECers.
Here are a few podcast episodes that touches up on this by biblical scholars.
1. These are the four parts of “ The Bible for Normal People “ hosted by Pete Enns and Jared Byass.
Episode 277: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 1) - The Bible For Normal People
A tale as old as time…Pete is ruining the book of Genesis! Pete lovingly dissects Genesis 1-4 and the biblical story of “how things began.”
thebiblefornormalpeople.com
Episode 280: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 2) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into Genesis 5-11 by examining the complexities of the genealogies and the flood narrative, identifying source criticism, and more.
thebiblefornormalpeople.com
Episode 283: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 3) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into the story of Abraham in Genesis, exploring his importance as a pivotal figure in the Bible and detailing his journey.
thebiblefornormalpeople.com
Episode 286: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 4) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into the sibling soap opera of Jacob and Esau, explaining how it parallels Israel’s political squabbles much later on.
thebiblefornormalpeople.com
2. Most of the Biologos episodes. Biologos was founded by a Christian who is also a scientist. His name is Francis Collins and he wrote “ The Language of God “ which is what the Biologos podcast is called. He lead the human genome project and was the NIH director. But there are a few good episodes to consider .
John Walton | More Than History - Podcast Episode - BioLogos
Discussing interpretation with biblical scholar John Walton and exploring the answers his work offers.
biologos.org
Janet Kellogg Ray | Science Denial and Christian Culture - Podcast Episode - BioLogos
Janet Kellogg Ray shares her journey of reconciling her faith with the science of evolution and discusses the challenges of science denial.
biologos.org
This is resources by the Tim Mackie of “ The Bible Project. “
Book of Genesis | Guide with Key Information and Resources
Gain a better understanding of the book of Genesis in the Bible. Dive into the book's story and explore related videos, podcasts, and more from BibleProject™.
For the science part here are some podcasts covering the actual evolutionary history of dinosaurs by scientists.
I suggest starting with the oldest posts and working forward.
The Common Descent Podcast.
Dinosaurs – The Common Descent Podcast
Posts about Dinosaurs written by commondescentpc
commondescentpodcast.com
Recovering Evangelicals Podcast.
Reaching into Plato's Cave
Exploring the tensions between Christianity and the 21st century
lukejjanssen.wordpress.com
That link has books, the podcast and so on.
If you like to read I suggest books by J Richard Middleton, John Walton, Jared Byass, Pete/Peter Enns, Jim Stump and work by Tim Mackie. All of those are Christians.
Dinosaurs were definitely real. We have literally millions of fossils scattered across thousands of colleges and museums and not to mention, random people find them all the time.
I would like to suggest another forum as well. This forum is a Christian forum but is predominantly full of Christians who accept the theory of evolution. Some are actual scientists and a few are biblical scholars and translators.
discourse.biologos.org
I would like to suggest another forum as well. This forum is a Christian forum but is predominantly full of Christians who accept the theory of evolution. Some are actual scientists and a few are biblical scholars and translators.
The BioLogos Forum
A community seeking truth and engaging the tough questions on science and faith.
discourse.biologos.org
So if jesus died on a cross to pay for my sins then I can go murder someone and then pray about it for a couple minutes and be forgiven? That doesn’t make any sense, what’s the point in there being a hell, if i can just pray real quick and be forgiven?
Not at all. There is a procedure for appropriating the benefits of Jesus's sacrifice, and it entails a faith and a belief that, if honestly held, will definitely dissuade you from murdering someone,
Texas the way you framed your question and then seem to ignore most replies but responded to one that was unrelated with an in example of murder, hell and prayer kind makes it seems like you are not here to ask authentically, but just want to try to triggering and potentially have others waste time writing out stuff.
I am curious to begin how old you? I’m envisioning a teen or young adult. Like 16-20 perhaps. How do you are let’s me know the better ways to respond.
Hello TexasRanger,
My cousin asks the same thing. I don't know how to answer your question. I believe murdering someone is an evil route, but so is hating a person in your mind is equivalent of murder as well. I've asked people that question; "Have you ever murderer someone by and through the thoughts in your head of hating them?" They always told me no, because they never psychally had done it. I've murdered people by and through hatred. Does that make it right? Some people would say yes. I still say no, ever since coming to the Lord Jesus. He was murdered as an innocent person who never sinned. Therefore coming to him breaks our bondage to ourselves, in to newness of life through him.
I wish you the best on your journey.
Debp
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You don't have an understanding of what it means to be born again. That is someone who sincerely has prayed for forgiveness and has had the Lord come into their heart/life.
As a result, no true believer would deliberately murder anyone and flippantly "pray" for forgiveness.
Are you truly seeking? Did you look at this website created by scientists that believe in God's Word the Bible?
amigo de christo
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and after .
I seen a man at a store a few months back . He made everyone seem as tiny ants .
And most the men were six foot plus . He was massive sister . Not only tall but huge .
I aint talking like those tall basketball players , HIMS was FAR BIGGER than they all .
Giants are coming back , i guess . this dude was massive sister .
amigo de christo
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Spot on right my friend . Point to CHRIST JESUS till the last breath .You don't have an understanding of what it means to be born again. That is someone who sincerely has prayed for forgiveness and has had the Lord come into their heart/life.
As a result, no true believer would deliberately murder anyone and flippantly "pray" for forgiveness.
Are you truly seeking? Did you look at this website created by scientists that believe in God's Word the Bible?
The dinosaur periods is not true. They're lies.
As for the meteor hit. That was a piece of the puzzle in the role of God dishing out his punishment in Genesis 6 and 7.
Galgal
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Genesis does not describe the creation of the material Universe at all; it describes the creation of the INNER world in man:
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
Yes; they were called Nephilum.
Genesis 6:4-8 (NKJV) 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore [children] to them. Those [were] the mighty men who [were] of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every intent of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Ronald David Bruno
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A quick prayer? That sort of puts an invitation to having a relationship with a Supreme Being who created everything on the same scale as choosing french fries or onion rings for lunch. That is what we cal an empty prayer. Be serious, your life is nothing to joke about.
There is no such trivial prayer to God. One must have an open heart, godly sorrow, humility, as we approach the All Mighty. God draws us to Himself not for a quick fix. Faith comes by the Word; so you hear it and read it, consume it, digest it... are ultimately are transformed. People are put in your path to witness to you, minister to You, love you and God brings you through multitude experiences and prepares you for that Divine Appointment before you actually say a real heartfelt prayer to God. When you are eventually enlightened ( God opens your spiritual eyes) and then you will believe in Jesus.
Until then, you won't understand our origins. What's more important than dinosaurs is who you are, the meaning of life, your purpose in this big picture and where you are going.
...and after.
Genesis 6:4
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown."
Don't know a lot about these Nephilim, they are a mystery to me.
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