Why Are Americans So Uptight About Religion?

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HammerStone

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http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2015/04/28/why-are-americans-so-uptight-about-religion/36752


But here in America, it seems religious sanitation, not religious accommodation, is the destination where we’re heading. Rather than affirming and valuing the diversity of (what might seem) strange, divergent, and conflicting religious views of our citizens, we attempt to enforce an impossible form of religious neutrality. But neutrality is not a tenable strategy for American religious life.
Okay, so let's get the fundamentalist boogeyman out the way, but in fairness you see this in Mainline, Atheist and other camps as well. I'm not sure it's just those darn fundies again.

Good article, though.
 

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I agree with the quote but having no idea of it's context, I can't say I agree with the person who said/wrote it. Also I am not a world traveller, but regardless of that, my belief system is routed and grounded in North American Christianity, and as such I don't feel I am uptight about my so-called religious beliefs. I guess mostly because I don't look at it as a religion, but as a lifestyle.
 

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As a person from the UK and having traveled abroad, I can say that the reason the states acts the way it does is directly related to three things.

1. Puritans
Puritans came to the colonies to escaApe the lack of fundamentalism by the Anglican church. When they pushed for their radical reformation the church pushed back, limiting their freedoms due to their radical version of christianity.
So they left for Holland. Where they found freedom. But their hypocrisy moved them to the colonies because, they didn't want their children to be, wait for it.... Dutch.

Yes that's right those people on the Mayflower, they didn't want to be Dutch. Bigotry. Sound familiar?

Once here they didn't want Dutch, aboriginal people, other faiths and anyone that they deemed LESS than themselves. Segregation, bigotry, intolerance. Sound like muslims in Saudi Arabia? Well that's the same mentality.

So the first issue is that the puritanism that came to the colonies set the tone for the birth of the nation.

2. Lack of learned people.

The colonies were at first a money grab. It was to take land and make some money out of it. Then it was used as a prison. With English criminals being sent here. Lastly tradesmen, farmers and workers came as the entrepreneurs had jobs for them.

None of these groups encompassed a large segment of education. The people who came were under or ill educated and from lack of that they of course did what all poorly educated people do; disdain education and focus on hard work ethics and being a person of their word. Brawn over brain.
Sounding familiar? The hard working American ethic? Yes that's your lineage.

3. 19th century revival fundamentalists, hated of the British and Washington Irving.

Yes I know there are three parts here but they shaped the intolerance, isolationism and jingoism going on in the states.

I'll start with Washington Irving. An author that was/is highly praised in American literature. Why? Because you didn't have really any authors that were producing many volumes. There were none with the ability to write as quickly nor at the reading level needed like Irving.

And best of all he wrote historical fiction a favourite of the states. Real history was dull, but put some drama in and well you get half of ask tele in the states.

Columbus, saying that people believed the world was flat. Pure hogwash. But yanks ate it with spoon. Put it into their education system for years.

Puritans became pilgrims. Never happened. No buckles on hats, no Thanksgiving, no coming here for religious freedom. All fiction.

But here is where the fundamentalists come in. They take Plymouth rock and make it a banner. Marching around the nation, demonising drink, games of chance, certain foods, smoking and pretty near anything that most people do. The lack of people going to church was also intolerable so added things into city, state and county charters to limit the evils of men and promote church worship.

It became so bad that many of these "blue" laws are still on the books, yet not enforced. Why even changing electoral dates to suit their needs. Ever wonder why you vote on Tuesdays when its most inconvenient? Thank them. They wanted to make sure you had time between farming, going to Sunday service and travel time to the polls. And why November? Most crops were harvested by then. Yes religion and agrarianism.

Finally at the time the states still hatred the British. We had the money and was the super power. But still most yanks identified with us felt bad they had no castles, rich history and aristocracy. So they made it.

Robber barons became your aristocracy. Building lavish estates and ruling over vast tracks of land. Rockefeller, Brady, carnegie, Winchester all the American rich. Imitating England and France.

Dickens gave you your white Christmas. The Dutch your Santa, a saint, because well your protestantism killed saints, and you voraciously consumed everything that came from queen Victoria. Even called the era Victorian America.

So these Victorian Americans made the myth of the pilgrims real, taught it in schools and indoctrinated the masses. The poorly educated masses. They tied religion, protestant fundamentalist religion to the manifest destiny and politics. So much so that when Kennedy came they accused him of being with the pope instead of your own people.

The whole beginnings of your nation shaped your current intolerant, insular and bigoted religious institutions. You marginalised all non protestant views and people and that easily allowed you to become cold and uncaring to all but those that towed your line.

Simply put it is fundamentalism that made you into what you are. Its the same thing killing the middle east.
 

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My dad often says that many of the issues in the US today can be traced back to our Puritan roots. I think there's some truth in that.
 

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+1 ^ and almost +1 for pom, but I think ya went a bit far!

Absolutely, it's fascinating how Puritanism (and to a lesser extent Calvinism) influenced the attitudes and even situations in this country. I think it clearly influenced both religion and even holds over somewhat from how secularized/secularizing culture operates as well. For the record, I think this is why our political debates have gotten to where they've gotten. In the past, it seemed as though the sides might argue to the point of blows on many topics, but later they'd be seen having a drink together or at some social event. NPR did a story on how the golf course used to feature bipartisan rounds where deals were worked, but now the two sides tend to play within their own ranks.

It's as though it has to be all or nothing, when the entire engine of our political system more or less rests on compromise. It's not meant to be perfect, of course, but the country exists because even the most violent and forceful disagreements have been reconciled to some degree. These days, everyone has their preferred narrative and cannot seem to be coaxed from it.

It's definitely the case with religion, where it's supposed to be a private matter. I was struck how in Hong Kong there was respect for other religion, whereas in the states it would be expected to be a private function. And this is something many of us Christians are absolutely guilty of, but it also permeates secular culture. Mention religion and people get uncomfortable. I even can say I've felt that feeling myself when someone who is maybe more of a Charismatic or Pentecostal background begins to pray a little loudly or unconventionally.
 

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HammerStone said:
It's definitely the case with religion, where it's supposed to be a private matter. I was struck how in Hong Kong there was respect for other religion, whereas in the states it would be expected to be a private function. And this is something many of us Christians are absolutely guilty of, but it also permeates secular culture.
Maybe you guys live in different areas than me, because I see public displays of religious faith all the time. I see billboards about Jesus, signs along the highways with Bible verses, lots of church signs, Christians handing out pamphlets and other materials on street corners, street preachers, church signs, prayers before official public meetings, etc.

IMO what we're seeing is a country shifting from one that was mostly run by Christians and for the benefit of Christians, to one that is less so. And older Christians see this change and are confusing "you don't get your way all the time any more" with a lack of respect for their faith.

Mention religion and people get uncomfortable.
I'm pretty sure that's always been the case. Religion, by its very nature, is a personal subject.
 

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I think it is a combination of our broken political system, which exploits Christianity as a wedge issue; a hatred of organized religion reinforced by Christians themselves; and the general habit of turning 'a way of life' into a product. Hard to imagine anyone from the first few centuries recognizing american Christianity. It seems to be filled with people who either want to sell it, or hatred for those who sell it and those who are buying the product. This is why I find myself getting more and more disgusted with the idea that Christ's only true purpose was to die to pay for our sins...reducing anything to a transaction strips it of its value.

American Christianity looks more a more like money changing outside the Temple we recruit for, and at the same time, violently preach against.

Hating religion, which is the very language we use to relate to God; while, at the same time, trying everything we can to kidnap, recruit, or manipulate others into our own religious mindset (under the guise of saving people from Hell) is just another manifestation of our double mindedness.