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Truth7t7

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Your disagreement is based on a flawed understanding of early church ecclesiology THAT PREDATES NICAE, a structure that is consistent with the Council of Jerusalem that continued all the way up to Vatican II.
You have a hard time understanding the fact that Emperor Constantine called the Nicean council in 325 AD, he participated in this council

You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine donated the land and built the old St. Peter's Basilica that is now Vatican City

You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine is the foundational father of what is now "Roman Catholicism" in his "State Church" that persecuted the true lineage in Christianity Athanasius the Great be banished to mention one

It makes me smile every time a Roman Catholic claim's that "Roman Catholicism" is the true lineage and succession of Christianity, nothing could be further from the truth

Vatican City finds its lineage in the Italian facist dictator "Benito Mussolini" in 1929 who established it

Vatican City has been a refuge for catholics around the world who are guilty of crimes who are protected without extradition, Boston's Cardinal "Bernard Francis Law" being a prime example, he fled to Vatican City in 2002 amidst 400 claims of child sexual abuse in Boston, Pope John Paul protected him at Vatican City from extradition to the US to stand trial
 
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Freewill is every individuals OPTION.

You Chose to be associated and adjoined with a Religious Organization, in that such organization Calls itself “THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,” and Calls it’s members of that Organization, “CATHOLICS.”

I also made a Choice to be associated with and adjoined with a Religious Organization, that Christ Jesus Himself Established, Called “Christ’s Church”, and it’s members of that Organization called, “CONVERTED IN CHRIST.”

Your whining that I did not CHOOSE and some OTHERS DID NOT CHOOSE what YOU CHOSE, is MOOT.

You can pretend ALL DAY LONG that your Negative Accusations and Gaslighting Against Others, “makes your choices Right”…
“And an others choices Wrong”.
It doesn’t. It simply makes you an Accuser and Gaslighter.

Glory to God,
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He sounds a lot like Bread of Life,have you noticed?
 

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You have a hard time understanding the fact that Emperor Constantine called the Nicean council in 325 AD, he participated in this council
Constantine understood how church government worked. He wanted resolution to the Arian crisis and needed the pope to pull it off. The pope needed Constantine to pull it off.
You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine donated the land and built the old St. Peter's Basilica that is now Vatican City
No, I do not. Constantine had secular power and money, bishops did not.
You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine is the foundational father of what is now "Roman Catholicism" in his "State Church" that persecuted the true lineage in Christianity Athanasius the Great be banished to mention one
Your "Roman Empire State Church" is a myth, conjured up by hostile Protestants.

On 28 February 380, Theodosius issued the Edict of Thessalonica, a decree addressed to the city of Constantinople, determining that only Christians who believed in the consubstantiality of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit could style themselves "catholic" and have their own places of worship officially recognized as "churches"; deviants were labeled heretics and described as "out of their minds and insane".[136][137][v] (this does not mean Catholics ran wild slaughtering non-believers, as asserted by mentally ill Bible cults)

Recent scholarship has tended to reject former views that the edict was a key step in establishing Christianity as the official religion of the Empire, since it was aimed exclusively at Constantinople and seems to have gone largely unnoticed by contemporaries outside the capital.[139][140] For example, German ancient historian Karl Leo Noethlichs [de] writes that the Edict of Thessalonica was neither anti-pagan nor antisemitic; it did not declare Christianity to be the official religion of the empire; and it gave no advantage to Christians over other faiths.[141] It is clear from mandates issued in the years after 380 that Theodosius had made no requirement for pagans or Jews to convert to Christianity.[142][vi] Nonetheless, the edict is the first known secular Roman law to positively define a religious orthodoxy.[136]

It makes me smile every time a Roman Catholic claim's that "Roman Catholicism" is the true lineage and succession of Christianity, nothing could be further from the truth
Merely asserting such nonsense proves nothing. It makes me smile every time an anti-Catholic claims the early church was not Catholic. Then what was it? Was Athanasius a Protestant???
Vatican City finds its lineage in the Italian facist dictator "Benito Mussolini" in 1929 who established it
You can't be serious.
Vatican City has been a refuge for catholics around the world who are guilty of crimes who are protected without extradition, Boston's Cardinal "Bernard Francis Law" being a prime example, he fled to Vatican City in 2002 amidst 400 claims of child sexual abuse in Boston, Pope John Paul protected him at Vatican City from extradition to the US to stand trial
You are grasping at straws with this off topic derailer.

Rebellion to authority is part of the fallen nature.
Nobody is born a racist, nobody is born an atheist and nobody is born an anti-Catholic. But the socialization process is the same. In the final analysis, it usually points to a dysfunctional father, or no father at all. The Catholic Church makes the perfect scape goat for those projecting anger or loss on a symbol of parental authority. The next post illustrates this.
 
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He sounds a lot like Bread of Life,have you noticed?

I would speculated raised up with the same side-kick Catholic ideology teaching book.

I had a g-ma by marriage, in which she and her generational ancestors were Catholic, several of the females nuns, and in her immediate family, 4 brothers, all had the part of their given name “Joseph”, and she plus 3 of her sisters all had name “Marie”. This g-ma married, had a son, divorced her husband when her son was 3. Moved from her hometown, Told everyone one (including her son), that she was a widow. She loved going to Church, she telling me she loved being in such a beautiful building (Church), and loved hearing the Sermon preached in Latin, and listening to the Choir…I asked her if she spoke Latin, she said no. I asked her if she understood Latin, she said no. WOW! After her death, because I am the one of both sides of the family that does genealogy, I was given by her son, a box of papers /pictures, the son had no interest in. In that box were her divorce papers, Cards and Letters addressed to her son, (from his “supposedly dead dad”!!) Records of his child support payments! WEIRD! And the “sons” upbringing was to say the least, was Very weird in itself. He lived with his School “nun” principle, and one other “nun”….and would be pick up on Sundays (by his mother), go to Church, out to eat, and then returned to the nuns house. Weird! Never knew his dad. No male influence. And didn’t turn out to be much of a husband or father to his own wife, 2 sons, 2 daughters.

What a strange life, living a lie out of fear of negative repercussions from the Church and her Catholic family members.
 

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313 A.D Edict of Milan. Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus along with Licinius legalized Christianity throughout the whole of the Roman empire.
 

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313 A.D Edict of Milan. Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus along with Licinius legalized Christianity throughout the whole of the Roman empire.
"Legalized" does not mean every non-Christian was a criminal. And if you bother to read the Edict of Milan, it gave pagans and Jews the same religious freedom as for Catholics.

.Edict of Milan, proclamation that permanently established religious toleration for Christianity within the Roman Empire. It was the outcome of a political agreement concluded in Mediolanum (modern Milan) between the Roman emperors Constantine I and Licinius in February 313. The proclamation, made for the East by Licinius in June 313, granted all persons freedom to worship whatever deity they pleased, assured Christians of legal rights (including the right to organize churches), and directed the prompt return to Christians of confiscated property. Previous edicts of toleration had been as short-lived as the regimes that sanctioned them, but this time the edict effectively established religious toleration. The extant copies of the decree are those posted by Licinius in the eastern parts of the empire.​
It was a secular edict that shifted the Church from being persecuted to being protected. It was not a church document. Mentally ill Bible cults want us to believe Catholics ran loose murdering any non-Catholic led by a bloodthirsty pope.​
 
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"Legalized" does not mean every non-Christian was a criminal. And if you bother to read the Edict of Milan, it gave pagans and Jews the same religious freedom as for Catholics.

.Edict of Milan, proclamation that permanently established religious toleration for Christianity within the Roman Empire. It was the outcome of a political agreement concluded in Mediolanum (modern Milan) between the Roman emperors Constantine I and Licinius in February 313. The proclamation, made for the East by Licinius in June 313, granted all persons freedom to worship whatever deity they pleased, assured Christians of legal rights (including the right to organize churches), and directed the prompt return to Christians of confiscated property. Previous edicts of toleration had been as short-lived as the regimes that sanctioned them, but this time the edict effectively established religious toleration. The extant copies of the decree are those posted by Licinius in the eastern parts of the empire.​
It was a secular edict that shifted the Church from being persecuted to being protected. Mentally ill Bible cults want us to believe Catholics ran loose killing non-Christians.​
Wow, what a screed. And all I did was post a historic reference and link.
 
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It makes me smile every time an anti-Catholic claims the early church was not Catholic. Then what was it?

Certainly the early Catholic Church was Catholic.

However Christ’s Church was started by Jesus the Jew and He chose the first members, of Jews and called them Disciples, as well as others were called Disciples (Jew or Gentile) who stepped forward to follow Him.

“Church” meetings were held in homes, fields, Temple court and Synagogue's…and thereafter in buildings dedicated as a “Church”.
And IFY, it was men, NOT following Jesus Christ who first called men FOLLOWING Jesus…Christians.
 
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Certainly the early Catholic Church was Catholic.

However Christ’s Church was started by Jesus the Jews, and He chose the first members, of Jews and called them Disciples, as well as others were called Disciples (Jew or Gentile) who stepped forward to follow Him.

“Church” meetings were held in homes, fields, Temple court and Synagogue's…and thereafter in buildings dedicated as a “Church”.
And IFY, it was men, NOT following Jesus Christ’s who first called men FOLLOWING Jesus…Christians.
The identity, Catholic,preceded the Romans Catholic church.

"Katholikos," is Greek and translates as "universal".

This identity applied to the pre-Roman Catholic church,and obviously pre-Protestant, as early as 2nd century.

What is inescapable in this thread is how the RCC faith for one of its self-identified member is how hate,bigotry,and contempt are profiles of said alleged Roman Catholic.


Not a good look for the church.
Now,if history here tells me anything it is there will be at least 2 other self identified RCC members who will post and continue in that vein.

Really unfortunate look for the church.
 

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The identity, Catholic,preceded the Romans Catholic church.

"Katholikos," is Greek and translates as "universal".
Catholic means universal, it's not hard to understand.
This identity applied to the pre-Roman Catholic church and obviously pre-Protestant, as early as 2nd century.
There is no such thing as a "pre-Roman Catholic Church". Roman Catholic was a slur invented by the Anglicans so you are twice wrong.

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What is inescapable in this thread is how the RCC faith for one of its self-identified member is how hate,bigotry,and contempt are profiles of said alleged Roman Catholic.
What's inescapable is how anti-Catholics infest every thread when Catholicism is discussed.
Not a good look for the church.
Now,if history here tells me anything it is there will be at least 2 other self identified RCC members who will post and continue in that vein.

Really unfortunate look for the church.
In other words, Catholics have no right to be heard. Really unfortunate look for anti-Catholics obsessed with false histories, who aren't smart enough to leave us alone. Anti-Catholicism is a tradition of men.


Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History

 
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Constantine had invited all 1,800 bishops of the Christian church within the Roman Empire (about 1,000 in the East and 800 in the West)
That's where they invented the Trinity. The Christians there rejected the Trinity, but with Athanasius being lucky enough to be the archbishop of Alexrandria at the time, he just kept on overturning the decisions of the council.

Constantine eventually offered a tie-breaker in the form of Jesus being the Son of God. For the Arians, they could argue that being the Son Jesus is not himself God. The Trinitarians could say that by relation Jesus is God.

The choicest of manuscripts were selected to be canonized into the Bible. It stops short of explicitly affirming or denying a greater number of theological points. That isn't an accident.
 
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That's where they invented the Trinity. The Christians there rejected the Trinity, but with Athanasius being lucky enough to be the archbishop of Alexrandria at the time, he just kept on overturning the decisions of the council.

Constantine eventually offered a tie-breaker in the form of Jesus being the Son of God. For the Arians, they could argue that being the Son Jesus is not himself God. The Trinitarians could say that by relation Jesus is God.

The choicest of manuscripts were selected to be canonized into the Bible. It stops short of explicitly affirming or denying a greater number of theological points. That isn't an accident.
Wow, everything in this post is wrong.
 
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Catholic means universal, it's not hard to understand.
Very good. That's what I posted.
There is no such thing as a "pre-Roman Catholic Church". Roman Catholic was a slur invented by the Anglicans so you are twice wrong.
Is the Vatican in Des Moines?

Was Constantine the emperor of Ireland?
You conflate Christian history with the lie that insists Peter was the first Pope. And that means Jesus founded the Roman Catholic church. He did not.

Yeshua's,Jesus, church began at his feet. Everywhere he walked, and spoke his Good News, there the church was born again and again as those whom His Word calls followed as Yeshua led The Way.

Your church was founded nearly
600 years later.

Roman Catholics are Roman Catholics or Catholics. If you researched the history of your church you'd realize Roman is not a slur.

Nice parchment.

When your church tradition deviates from the teachings of Yeshua, as it does it is not the church of Christ.
What's inescapable is how anti-Catholics infest every thread when Catholicism is discussed.

In other words, Catholics have no right to be heard. Really unfortunate look for anti-Catholics obsessed with false histories, who aren't smart enough to leave us alone. Anti-Catholicism is a tradition of men.


Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History


Infest?
This is a Christian forum! Not a Catholic one.

If you think you will bear false witness and promote the false doctrine of the RCC and not receive replies, you're mistaken. Again.
 

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Wow, everything in this post is wrong.
You seem like you haven't studied it. Please only serious discussion about this. If you don't know anything about the Council of Nicea then don't just go around saying things are wrong. People who have studied this will know it's correct which is why I am under the impression your statement must be disingenuous.
 

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Really unfortunate look for anti-Catholics obsessed with false histories, who aren't smart enough to leave us alone. Anti-Catholicism is a tradition of men.
I'm not anti Catholic but pro-truth, the pope isn't God's leader upon earth, Francis recently approved of blessing same sex unions, was that revelation from God?

Roman Catholicism is a cult, no different than JW's or Mormons, and they don't bless homosexuals

NPR

Pope Francis approves Catholic blessings for same-sex couples, but not for marriage​

Dec 28, 2023

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
 
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Constantine understood how church government worked. He wanted resolution to the Arian crisis and needed the pope to pull it off. The pope needed Constantine to pull it off.
Hey your 100% correct, Constantine and his religious rulers were wed together, it's called a "State Church", sorta like the Russian Orthodox church is today

Constantine was so nice he donated land and built St Peter's Basilica thats now Vatican City, and he put his Mosaic with Apostle Peter right in the middle of it, and it's been the "Roman Catholic Church" ever since

Sorta crazy to think St Peters Basilica and Vatican City are built upon the old Circus of Nero, where innocent Christians and people were brutally killed by the Romans
 
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… nobody is born an atheist …

Atheist - is a person who does not believe in divine deities.

Do you assert you were naturally born and every natural born person was naturally born believing in divine deity’s?


nobody is born an anti-Catholic.

Would you equally apply the term anti-Protestant to a Catholic ?
 

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You have a hard time understanding the fact that Emperor Constantine called the Nicean council in 325 AD, he participated in this council

You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine donated the land and built the old St. Peter's Basilica that is now Vatican City

You have a hard time understanding that Emperor Constantine is the foundational father of what is now "Roman Catholicism" in his "State Church" that persecuted the true lineage in Christianity Athanasius the Great be banished to mention one

It makes me smile every time a Roman Catholic claim's that "Roman Catholicism" is the true lineage and succession of Christianity, nothing could be further from the truth

Vatican City finds its lineage in the Italian facist dictator "Benito Mussolini" in 1929 who established it

Vatican City has been a refuge for catholics around the world who are guilty of crimes who are protected without extradition, Boston's Cardinal "Bernard Francis Law" being a prime example, he fled to Vatican City in 2002 amidst 400 claims of child sexual abuse in Boston, Pope John Paul protected him at Vatican City from extradition to the US to stand trial
If I remember correctly, Constantine greeted the Bishops and left them to their business. At the end, he thanked them, nothing more.
 
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I'm not anti Catholic but pro-truth, the pope isn't God's leader upon earth, Francis recently approved of blessing same sex unions, was that revelation from God?

Roman Catholicism is a cult, no different than JW's or Mormons, and they don't bless homosexuals

NPR

Pope Francis approves Catholic blessings for same-sex couples, but not for marriage​

Dec 28, 2023

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
what is NPR?