Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

[Timtofly]

"Leaving only righteousness?" What righteousness? Christ imputes and imparts His own righteousness to the soul that is dead in trespasses and sins.

Romans 3:10 — As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:


According to your own claim:



How can one "pass from death unto life" if they are not dead?

Ephesians 2:1 — And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

The confusion is owing entirely to the misunderstanding of what constitutes a soul:

Genesis 2:7 — And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I know that it is wildly popular to teach that a soul is a supernatural, ethereal, everlasting entity and to use the word interchangeably with "spirit" when convenient, but it is also just as erroneous as it is popular.

The belief that souls are unconditionally immortal is part of a discipline known as Spiritualism, and is the basis of countless deceptions.

If you live to see the 2nd coming of Jesus, expect to witness demons appearing as disembodied "souls," advising people to ignore the specific language of the 4th commandment.

You will also witness a large number of folk who have decided to honor a day that God never blessed, not to honor Him, but to save their own hides from the calamity that virtually everyone innately knows is coming upon the earth.

This is how you will know who is honoring God and who is trying to make an end-run around Him.

Those who love Him will be doing as He has asked and commanded; those who love themselves will be doing what the "experts" advise and, in fact, command on pain of death.

It is very simple, actually. There will be one group of people who are going about doing good toward God in Christ, and man. And there will be another who are desperate to preserve their own honor, health, and property instead of trusting those things with God. It will be easy to see which day of the week God has blessed. You won't even have to open a Bible. Selflessness vs selfishness.

Deuteronomy 5:29 — O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Notice the early yearning and appeal from God to impart New Covenant righteousness to His people.

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The word soul comes from the Bible. Not sure why you introduce a human argument into Scripture itself.

The soul puts on a different body, that is all there is to it. You are dead in your current body.

To pass from death, the soul leaves the body of death and puts on the physical body of life from God.

 

[Timtofly]

My Bible says "God alone hath immortality" so, are you saying I'm God?

See, Satan wanted to be God - so, in Eden, he introduced two false ideas that form the basis for every single false system of religion on the planet:

"thou shalt not surely die"
"thou shalt be as God".

Spiritually speaking, yes.

Not added...just unknown by you who've been brainwashed since birth about how death affects the soul. If you simply accept that Genesis 2:7 KJV plainly says the Soul comes into eixstence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, everything else makes sense:

>Jesus said, "I say unto you today, shalt thou..." - not "I say unto you, today shalt thou..."
>Paul preferred to be absent from body, skip "unclothed" dead in the grave, and just be clothed in his glorified body by Jesus.
>Paul wanted to "depart and be with Christ" because the "dead know not anything" including the passage of time in a grave.
>The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable Jesus explains to the Syrophoenician woman that's nothing to do with the afterlife.

If there's any other objections, me and my KJV can resolve them.

Are you saying we don't exist, because we are not God?

Obviously you would prefer not to exist.

 

[Timtofly]

How do people get around ignoring the plain declarations of Truth from the word of God? How clearer can it be? Which is easier to believe? The word from Satan... you shalt not surely die, or the word from the prophet, the soul that sins shall die?
 Do they realisethat who they believe, is the one they have faith in?

Was Adam already dead, before he disobeyed God?

 

[Timtofly]

Perhaps this analogy may be of assistance:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.​

[1] dust of the gorund + (and) [2] the breath of life, breathed into the nostrils = (became) a living soul/being/creature.

A “soul” (H5315, G5590; Leviticus 22:11; Hebrews 4:12) is a “life” (Genesis 9:5; Matthew 6:25; Luke 9:56; Acts 15:26, 27:10; 1 John 3:16; Revelation 12:11, &c.), “person/s” (Genesis 14:21; Numbers 5:6, &c.), “creature” (Genesis 1:21,24; Leviticus 11:46, &c.), or “beast” (Leviticus 24:18). It can also be defined as a “being”.

So, here is the modern analogy, a modern PC:

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[1] frame made of mechanical parts with centralized hard drive, with CPU (Intel-ligence Inside), RAM (short term memory) and storage (long term memory) unit with basic software installed (body, bones, flesh, brain, automatic systems (breathing, blinking, heart beat, etc))​

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+​

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[2] electricity (power, energy)​

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=​

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[3] Powered PC System, Operating with Base Core programming (OS, Original Service), that is able to be filled with new information on the Hard Drive. It comes with automatica uploading to the Cloud (Heaven) server, where all men's lives are recorded in the books of heaven, down to the last detail. Additionally, the original Builder knows of all the systems and updates and info the PC receives.​

If [1], or [2] gets destroyed or removed then [3] ceases to function as a PC. It is in 'sleep (off) mode'. However, all the newest info, data, experiences that the Hard drive obtained since coming off the factory floor, has been moment by moment uploaded to the Cloud (3rd Heaven, like a Blu-Ray Disc, a storage device that is not on, just sits there), where is written on the books of Heaven, the exact character in case the PC is ever damaged, or ceases to function. The Builder also has a perfect memory of everything installed and that the machine had been through up to the time of cease of operation.

The Builder, seeing that the machines parts are old and decayed, disconnects the power, and using the info stored to the cloud, in the future, simply builds a new machine, with new more modern superior parts, and downloads all the uploaded info, and plugs the PC back in, and gives it power, and the New Machine is good to go. The character is perfectly preserved into the New PC (Perfect Christian).

The wicked, or completely corrupt OS (Offending Sinners) are instead to be deleted from the Cloud, and the Builder chooses to not remember those systems, and they are not rebuilt into new PC's, nor ever again to be used, since they refused the Antivirus update in Christ Jesus. Instead, they are simply turned on, with their old parts reassembled, in their respective resurrection, and shown to be faulty, and sent to the burn pile, and eventually gone forever.

Your anology is worse than the other one.

Has God ever removed the power from the soul? You seem to think God does, except there is no verse that states that fact. God always sustains the soul even in the LOF, as God also sustains the LOF. The LOF is not a God that exists besides God.

Without God, nothing would exist on it's own. While humans are free to think for themselves, obviously you claim you have understood all there is, should already know that God lets you think that.

The soul never looses power. The body returns to particles from which it was constructed of. Those particles never loose power. God never turns the electricity, as you call it, off. Creation would cease, before that power stops as that power is represented in the term "Word".

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

The Word, life, and light all go hand in hand = your electricity.

So saying God removes the power and you cease to exist is impossible.

Well, for your computer analogy to work, it would have to return to dust, and then in thousands of years, all those molecules would form a different computer. The chances of those same molecules finding themselves all together again would by infinitely impossible.

The soul is not information saved in God's memory bank. That is less plausible than just accepting the soul waits in sheol in torment, or is already enjoying physical Paradise in a physical body, like Scripture states.

 

[Brakelite]

You have to accept the gift of salvation. God does not make that choice for you, nor against you.

True. Although He does everything He can inside the boundaries of self imposed limits to lead us to right choices.

The word soul comes from the Bible. Not sure why you introduce a human argument into Scripture itself.

The soul puts on a different body, that is all there is to it. You are dead in your current body.

To pass from death, the soul leaves the body of death and puts on the physical body of life from God.

What human argument? I agree with you. But the soul isn't a distinct conscious entity without a body through which it expresses itself in thought and word and deed. Do you think Lazarus was in heaven chatting with angels those few days he was dead? The timing of the resurrection is crucial. It's at the second coming. Until then you are nothing more than a memory in God's mind. But He doesn't forget.

Was Adam already dead, before he disobeyed God?

No. Why do you ask?

 

[Phoneman777]

Are you saying we don't exist, because we are not God?

Obviously you would prefer not to exist.

Many scholars agree Scripture indicates we cease to exist in death:

R. F. Weymouth, one of the most authoritative Greek scholars in modern history:

“My mind fails to conceive a grosser misrepresentation of language than when five or six of the strongest words the Greek tongue possesses, signifying to destroy or destruction, are explained to mean, 'maintain and everlasting but wretched existence'. To translate 'black' as 'white' is nothing to this.”​

(His commentary on 1 Corinthians 15:18 KJV) “By 'perish', the apostle means 'pass out of existence'.”​

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(His commentary on Hebrews 9:28 KJV) “The use in the NT of such words as 'death', 'destruction', 'fire', 'perish', to describe Future Retribution point to likelihood of fearful anguish followed by extinction of being.”​

 

[Phoneman777]

The soul puts on a different body, that is all there is to it. You are dead in your current body.

If by "soul" you mean "disembodied, conscious ghost" - you're wrong. How many times do we have to point to Genesis 2:7 KJV which specifically says the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life"?

The "Soul" consists either of the union of the Spirit and a Mortal Body down here or an Immortal Body up there, period. That's all the Bible is teaching.

To pass from death, the soul leaves the body of death and puts on the physical body of life from God.

Where does it say the "soul leaves the body"? Yes, Rachel's "soul" was "departing" - but the word simply means "life" so "life was departing" her body, or "she was dying".

If you flip the switch and shut off power to the light bulb, does the light go anywhere?
If you put the syrup back in the bottle and milk back in the carton, did the chocolate milk go anywhere?
If the Body returns to Dust and the Spirit to God, did the Soul go anywhere?

Disunion causes all these to cease to exist.

 

[BarneyFife]

The word soul comes from the Bible. Not sure why you introduce a human argument into Scripture itself.

Words need definitions to be understandable. The biblical definition of "soul" in Genesis 2:7 is one into which I do not recall introducing any kind of human argument, such as:

The soul puts on a different body, that is all there is to it. You are dead in your current body.

Baloney and mysticism

If the Bible is what we're using, why the need for introducing Hellenistic Dualism?

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[Timtofly]

What human argument? I agree with you. But the soul isn't a distinct conscious entity without a body through which it expresses itself in thought and word and deed. Do you think Lazarus was in heaven chatting with angels those few days he was dead? The timing of the resurrection is crucial. It's at the second coming. Until then you are nothing more than a memory in God's mind. But He doesn't forget.

Jesus told us what Lazarus would do those 4 days.

The resurrection of Lazarus was not at the Second Coming. The first resurrection happened for Lazarus, before Jesus even went to the Cross.

Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom, and was conscious even without a physical body. Lazarus did not go to heaven, that only happens if you have a physical body, when he was physically dead for those 4 days.

Paul said to be absent from this physical body of corruption, is to be present with the Lord, in a permanent incorruptible physical body. 2 Corinthians 5 does not say we are given a memory spot. It says we are given a building not made of hands eternal in the heavens.

So when Jesus said in my Father's house are many mansions, He actually meant memory banks of RAMM? He meant computer instead of house, and memory instead of mansions?

Still baffled why many here want the soul, left in a state of physical death, and call that being "made alive in Christ". You are in Christ now, then want to exist less in Christ, as just a memory? That is not life. That is denying yourself the first resurrection, which was given to the thief that day. You cannot enjoy a physical Paradise with the physical tree of life without a physical body. Your soul is still dead, according to you, not in Paradise, at all, not even in heaven, because you don't even exist, according to you.

 

[Timtofly]

Many scholars agree Scripture indicates we cease to exist in death:

R. F. Weymouth, one of the most authoritative Greek scholars in modern history:

“My mind fails to conceive a grosser misrepresentation of language than when five or six of the strongest words the Greek tongue possesses, signifying to destroy or destruction, are explained to mean, 'maintain and everlasting but wretched existence'. To translate 'black' as 'white' is nothing to this.”​

(His commentary on 1 Corinthians 15:18 KJV) “By 'perish', the apostle means 'pass out of existence'.”​

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(His commentary on Hebrews 9:28 KJV) “The use in the NT of such words as 'death', 'destruction', 'fire', 'perish', to describe Future Retribution point to likelihood of fearful anguish followed by extinction of being.”​

And arguing over how things worked prior to the Cross, will not change how they actually worked.

You are still arguing from human understanding and frustration, not the mind of God.

Solomon may have been the wisest man, but not all knowing. Job and his buddies gave their opinions, and all fell short of God's understanding. You tend to avoid that which God did actually say.

The dead actually stand before God, therefore they have to exist prior to being tossed into the LOF. That cannot mean they don't exist and nothing at all is tossed into nothing. Some are even given eternal life and escape the LOF. You say there is no LOF, and only nothing at that point.

 

[Timtofly]

Words need definitions to be understandable. The biblical definition of "soul" in Genesis 2:7 is one into which I do not recall introducing any kind of human argument, such as:



Baloney and mysticism

If the Bible is what we're using, why the need for introducing Hellenistic Dualism?

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Your non existing soul is baloney and mysticism. I never said the soul was spirit, air, ghost, nor any other mystical conjuring.

It cannot exist, then stop existing, then exist again, but what the soul is, was never explained in Scripture, not once. All we know is that you are the soul.


You claim you stop existing. I say that God provides the means that you keep existing even without a physical body.

The soul has nothing to do with air, spirit, physical, nor a "part of God", given to you. God created you a soul, and provides a physical body as He sees fit. That is consistent throughout Scripture. That the soul ceases it not found once in Scripture, but human foolishness.


Perhaps you all have a "good" anology to explain how things work to a 5 year old. But after a few years that 5 year old will understand even more about life, and certainly you all should have more understanding than a 5 year old instead of taking your anology as being literal.

God is way more able to keep the soul as existing, than your feeble anology that claims God relies on His creation, instead of His will and sovereignty.

 

[Phoneman777]

And arguing over how things worked prior to the Cross, will not change how they actually worked.

It's not reasonable to claim a professional sinner who converted on his deathbed 5 minutes before dying yesterday went to heaven but Job and David are still waiting to go.

 

[Timtofly]

It's not reasonable to claim a professional sinner who converted on his deathbed 5 minutes before dying yesterday went to heaven but Job and David are still waiting to go.

They are not still waiting any longer than the thief did.

They physically ascended to heaven in their permanent incorruptible physical bodies on Sunday morning.

The thief was given a permanent incorruptible physical body, upon his soul entering Paradise.

You are the one claiming no one currently exists and are "waiting" in some memory in the mind of God.

Those who entered Paradise (when this was posted), as a soul, immediately received a permanent incorruptible physical body. As did all before them for the last 1994 years. Nothing those alive on earth can do nor say can prevent them from receiving that resurrection first.

 

[Brakelite]

They are not still waiting any longer than the thief did.

They physically ascended to heaven in their permanent incorruptible physical bodies on Sunday morning.

The thief was given a permanent incorruptible physical body, upon his soul entering Paradise.

You are the one claiming no one currently exists and are "waiting" in some memory in the mind of God.

Those who entered Paradise (when this was posted), as a soul, immediately received a permanent incorruptible physical body. As did all before them for the last 1994 years. Nothing those alive on earth can do nor say can prevent them from receiving that resurrection first.

Except for the fact that scripture doesn't teach that. That's just you and your very active imagination. If you want to practise and believe in a scripture based faith paradigm, then take into account every word of God, and not just one or two that seem to harmonise with your opinion.
The Scripture doesn't say all the saints that ever lived were resurrected. It simply says, quote,
“52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
Do you really think the powers that be at the time would have continued in their blind hatred and rejection of Christ's Church if Noah, David, Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Methuselah, the prophets, and many thousands of others suddenly wandered the streets of Jerusalem like an army of zombies? Was there anything in the Jerusalem Post to the affect that a zombie army had terrified the populace? No. We don't know how many, but we can presume that it wasn't all.
Paul throughout his letters wrote of the Christian hope... the resurrection.
“16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

 

[Brakelite]

You are the one claiming no one currently exists and are "waiting" in some memory in the mind of God.

If God remembers you, you exist. If He forgets you, you're in trouble.

 

[MatthewG]

Some way it was Nero Ceaser, but it's a weak case to some. If you are talking about the Anti-Christ.

 

[CTK]

Words need definitions to be understandable. The biblical definition of "soul" in Genesis 2:7 is one into which I do not recall introducing any kind of human argument, such as:



Baloney and mysticism

If the Bible is what we're using, why the need for introducing Hellenistic Dualism?

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9:24f-Bring in everlasting righteousness

Daniel had recorded the three types of sin in 9:24: c, d, and e. Man has been guilty of these since the fall of Adam. As a result of his sin, Adam (man) was removed from the Garden. His sinful nature could not be found in His presence. There is no individual, organization, church denomination, practice, or society that has been or could approach the definition of righteousness. We might define this enigmatic term in one of two ways: In a worldly manner, it might be termed the quality of being morally true. Others can see our actions, thoughts, and behavior. It applies to our personal relationships as well as the myriad societal relationships we travel through each day, however, there is certainly no righteousness quality to be found in there; we might as well reference the golden rule.

When we delve into the spiritual dimension of righteousness, it takes on a deeper significance and requires a different perspective. In this context, righteousness is not merely about our outward actions or moral behavior, but it encompasses being in right alignment with God's standards, His will, and His character. It implies living in harmony with His divine purpose and reflecting His holiness in our thoughts, attitudes, and actions. And the only relationship we can possibly have with God is one of spiritual righteousness. This is on His terms, not ours. And since the fall, mankind has lost that spirit, that righteousness, and that holiness that was originally breathed into Adam at the time of his creation. In Genesis 2:7, we have the formula for how God created Adam as a living soul.

7And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There are only two components that made Adam: dust from the ground and God breathing His Spirit into that dust. That was it. A+B=C. C represents the living soul. The living soul is not one of a three-part being that stands alone or exists without A or B. If either A or B is removed, there is no more C; It does not fly away somewhere; it does not go up or down for eternity. It simply means he or she is no longer a living soul (C). Further, B is or was not "air" that God breathed into Adam to jump-start his existence. It is the result of this divine interaction. This union sets humanity apart from the rest of creation and reflects our special status as beings made in the image and likeness of God. God had placed (breathed) His righteousness, His holiness, His Spirit within Adam.

Adam's expulsion from the Garden of Eden following his disobedience illustrates the profound consequences of sin disrupting this divine-human relationship. Sin introduced a separation between humanity and God, tarnishing the purity and righteousness originally bestowed upon Adam. The expulsion symbolizes not only physical removal from the Garden but also a spiritual estrangement from God's presence. Once again, Adam did not have his own righteousness. It was God’s holiness that returned to Him, not the holiness or righteousness of Adam; there was / is no other place outside of God where His holiness was meant to be, or can be found.

And this is exactly what God’s plan of salvation is all about: how will He get His holiness, His righteousness, His Holy Spirit back into us once again so we can be in His presence.

When Adam sinned and disobeyed God, the consequences were not immediate physical death but rather a spiritual separation from God. Adam, though still physically alive, was spiritually dead or separated from God's presence. This spiritual death introduced a state of spiritual darkness and alienation from God's righteousness and holiness. This is exactly what happened to the Jews who rejected and crucified their Messiah, Jesus. This abominable act would cause God to make desolate their spiritual relationship for the next 2000 years (time of the Gentiles). God's plan of salvation, fulfilled through Jesus Christ, aims to reconcile humanity to Himself and restore the broken relationship caused by sin. Through faith in Christ, individuals are reconciled to God and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, who dwells within them and empowers them to live in accordance with God's righteousness and holiness. Ultimately, the restoration of God's righteousness and holiness within believers enables them to experience true spiritual life and communion with God, both in the present age and for eternity.

Everyone born after Adam (outside the Garden) is a living being, not a living soul.

Consequently, we do not have His Spirit, His holiness, or His righteousness within us. Therefore, there is nothing that moves on after we die. Our body goes into the ground. The giving of the Torah, with its sacrificial rituals, served as a temporary means of reconciliation between God and His people. These rituals were a foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus would make on the cross, bringing everlasting forgiveness and restoration to all who believe. Through the Holy Spirit, believers receive the assurance of God's presence and the power to live transformed lives. God would send His Holy Spirit to the Jews on Pentecost, symbolizing the breathing back of His spirit once again into man. This was God’s way of restoring His righteousness and holiness within us—already, but not yet. It must be restored in man before we are able to be with God, but it will only be consummated or perfected at His second coming. His entire plan of salvation aims to restore each and every one of us to the precise state in which He originally created Adam.

Just before Jesus died, He turned to His Father and said in Luke 23:46,

46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit. Having said this, He breathed His last.

This final statement from Jesus not only echoed the prayer of distress and trust in His God expressed by David in Psalm 31:5, but it also revealed that Jesus had to relinquish His Holy Spirit to God because He had taken on the sin of the world. Sin and God’s Holy Spirit—given to Him by God on the day of His anointing at His baptism—could not coexist. However, God would restore His Holy Spirit within Jesus on the day of His resurrection. This symbolizes the return of the Holy Spirit to dwell within humanity at His second coming, enabling us to be in God's presence once again. When God beholds His people at the end, He will not see our sin. Instead, we will be clothed in His righteousness. As stated in Isaiah 61:10 and in Titus 3:4-7,

10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom deck himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Righteousness or holiness will not be attained on this side of heaven. Good works and treating our fellow humans with dignity and care can never reach the heights of righteousness. It is an attribute that solely belongs to God, the lawgiver, and is reflected in His laws. If He desires to infuse His righteousness within us, it remains His righteousness and His gift to us. No individual can be justified by their own works apart from God’s ordinance. Only God has this righteousness to impart; it cannot be purchased, earned, worked for, or acquired in any manner. It is beyond the capability of humanity to generate any form of righteousness, and despite our best intentions, actions, and deeds, all our works are akin to filthy rags. In Isaiah 64:6, he writes,

6 But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousness’s are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind,

Only the righteousness of Christ (not our own) will enter His kingdom.

 

[BarneyFife]

9:24f-Bring in everlasting righteousness

Daniel had recorded the three types of sin in 9:24: c, d, and e. Man has been guilty of these since the fall of Adam. As a result of his sin, Adam (man) was removed from the Garden. His sinful nature could not be found in His presence. There is no individual, organization, church denomination, practice, or society that has been or could approach the definition of righteousness. We might define this enigmatic term in one of two ways: In a worldly manner, it might be termed the quality of being morally true. Others can see our actions, thoughts, and behavior. It applies to our personal relationships as well as the myriad societal relationships we travel through each day, however, there is certainly no righteousness quality to be found in there; we might as well reference the golden rule.

When we delve into the spiritual dimension of righteousness, it takes on a deeper significance and requires a different perspective. In this context, righteousness is not merely about our outward actions or moral behavior, but it encompasses being in right alignment with God's standards, His will, and His character. It implies living in harmony with His divine purpose and reflecting His holiness in our thoughts, attitudes, and actions. And the only relationship we can possibly have with God is one of spiritual righteousness. This is on His terms, not ours. And since the fall, mankind has lost that spirit, that righteousness, and that holiness that was originally breathed into Adam at the time of his creation. In Genesis 2:7, we have the formula for how God created Adam as a living soul.

7And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There are only two components that made Adam: dust from the ground and God breathing His Spirit into that dust. That was it. A+B=C. C represents the living soul. The living soul is not one of a three-part being that stands alone or exists without A or B. If either A or B is removed, there is no more C; It does not fly away somewhere; it does not go up or down for eternity. It simply means he or she is no longer a living soul (C). Further, B is or was not "air" that God breathed into Adam to jump-start his existence. It is the result of this divine interaction. This union sets humanity apart from the rest of creation and reflects our special status as beings made in the image and likeness of God. God had placed (breathed) His righteousness, His holiness, His Spirit within Adam.

Adam's expulsion from the Garden of Eden following his disobedience illustrates the profound consequences of sin disrupting this divine-human relationship. Sin introduced a separation between humanity and God, tarnishing the purity and righteousness originally bestowed upon Adam. The expulsion symbolizes not only physical removal from the Garden but also a spiritual estrangement from God's presence. Once again, Adam did not have his own righteousness. It was God’s holiness that returned to Him, not the holiness or righteousness of Adam; there was / is no other place outside of God where His holiness was meant to be, or can be found.

And this is exactly what God’s plan of salvation is all about: how will He get His holiness, His righteousness, His Holy Spirit back into us once again so we can be in His presence.

When Adam sinned and disobeyed God, the consequences were not immediate physical death but rather a spiritual separation from God. Adam, though still physically alive, was spiritually dead or separated from God's presence. This spiritual death introduced a state of spiritual darkness and alienation from God's righteousness and holiness. This is exactly what happened to the Jews who rejected and crucified their Messiah, Jesus. This abominable act would cause God to make desolate their spiritual relationship for the next 2000 years (time of the Gentiles). God's plan of salvation, fulfilled through Jesus Christ, aims to reconcile humanity to Himself and restore the broken relationship caused by sin. Through faith in Christ, individuals are reconciled to God and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, who dwells within them and empowers them to live in accordance with God's righteousness and holiness. Ultimately, the restoration of God's righteousness and holiness within believers enables them to experience true spiritual life and communion with God, both in the present age and for eternity.

Everyone born after Adam (outside the Garden) is a living being, not a living soul.

Consequently, we do not have His Spirit, His holiness, or His righteousness within us. Therefore, there is nothing that moves on after we die. Our body goes into the ground. The giving of the Torah, with its sacrificial rituals, served as a temporary means of reconciliation between God and His people. These rituals were a foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus would make on the cross, bringing everlasting forgiveness and restoration to all who believe. Through the Holy Spirit, believers receive the assurance of God's presence and the power to live transformed lives. God would send His Holy Spirit to the Jews on Pentecost, symbolizing the breathing back of His spirit once again into man. This was God’s way of restoring His righteousness and holiness within us—already, but not yet. It must be restored in man before we are able to be with God, but it will only be consummated or perfected at His second coming. His entire plan of salvation aims to restore each and every one of us to the precise state in which He originally created Adam.

Just before Jesus died, He turned to His Father and said in Luke 23:46,

46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit. Having said this, He breathed His last.

This final statement from Jesus not only echoed the prayer of distress and trust in His God expressed by David in Psalm 31:5, but it also revealed that Jesus had to relinquish His Holy Spirit to God because He had taken on the sin of the world. Sin and God’s Holy Spirit—given to Him by God on the day of His anointing at His baptism—could not coexist. However, God would restore His Holy Spirit within Jesus on the day of His resurrection. This symbolizes the return of the Holy Spirit to dwell within humanity at His second coming, enabling us to be in God's presence once again. When God beholds His people at the end, He will not see our sin. Instead, we will be clothed in His righteousness. As stated in Isaiah 61:10 and in Titus 3:4-7,

10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom deck himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Righteousness or holiness will not be attained on this side of heaven. Good works and treating our fellow humans with dignity and care can never reach the heights of righteousness. It is an attribute that solely belongs to God, the lawgiver, and is reflected in His laws. If He desires to infuse His righteousness within us, it remains His righteousness and His gift to us. No individual can be justified by their own works apart from God’s ordinance. Only God has this righteousness to impart; it cannot be purchased, earned, worked for, or acquired in any manner. It is beyond the capability of humanity to generate any form of righteousness, and despite our best intentions, actions, and deeds, all our works are akin to filthy rags. In Isaiah 64:6, he writes,

6 But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousness’s are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind,

Only the righteousness of Christ (not our own) will enter His kingdom.

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[CTK]

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I know ! Sorry, but I cut / pasted a section directly from my commentary to respond to this issue being discussed.

 

[Phoneman777]

They physically ascended to heaven in their permanent incorruptible physical bodies on Sunday morning.

David:
"For David is not ascended into the heavens..." It doesn't say "the body of David" - it says "David" which refers to the complete, entire David who was comprised of a Body and the Breath of Life (Genesis 2:7 KJV) and will be again on resurrection morning.

Job:
Says he'll be in the grave "until Thy wrath be past". Was "the wrath of God which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation" poured out upon mankind way back at the Cross? No - that is future when for the first time in history the pure wrath of God unmixed with divine mercy will be poured out upon mankind during the 7 Last Plagues just before the Second Coming.

So, once again, the Bible itself exposes the doctrine of Innate Immortality of the Soul as unBiblical.