Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[BreadOfLife]

You fell for my trap.

You, along with most of Christendom do not know what the name of the son is.

So, you should be actually baptizing in whatever name you want to call the Father or the Holy Ghost, but must say "Jesus" when baptizing.

Instead, all of you refuse to name the son's actual name.

Like this, 'I baptize you in the name of the Father(YHWH etc), Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost(Dove etc)".

All this is about from the Nicene council is eradicating the name of Jesus from baptism.

You really should see that, because it is as obvious as the nose on your face.

WOW. So, let me get this straight - YOUR sect baptizes, "In the name of YHVH, Jesus Christ and DOVE"??
Those are the words of Baptism used in your quasi-Christian sect??

The Father's name isn't "YHVH" and the Holy Spirit's name isn't "Doce".
The "dove" is just a symbol of the Holy Spirit - as shown in Matt. 3.
Matt. 3:16
And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw God’s Spirit descending LIKE a dove and alighting on him.

Good grief, Einstein.

As to the Father - "YHVH" is the name of the GODHEAD (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) - NOT just the Father. The SAME Godhead who uttered the following verse:
Genesis 1:26
Then God (YHVH) said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So, I ask you AGAIN, Einstein - since YOU think that we need to mention the Trinity by NAME, and you refuse tpo accept your Lord Jesus Christ's words of Baptism -
WHAT is the name of the Father?
WHAT is the name of the Holy Spirit?

I suggest you go BAK to my last post (#972), where I gave you a Linguistics Lesson with regards to the Hebrew word used for "Name" (ονομα/on'-om-ah).
Remember - the Bible wasan't written in English, son . . .


PS - ANY of your equally-ignorant and confused anti-Trinitarian cronies are welcome to jumpo in here with the answer . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not doubt that when @BreadOfLife and @theefaith fill out a form, they render it thus...

Fill in the Name of your Country = They write the word country
Fill in the Name of your State = They write the word state
Fill in the Name of your City = They write the word city

Time to take you out to the "Scriptural woodshed" like I had to do with your buddy, @Truther.

Why don't you go to post #972 , where I gave him the Hebrew word used for "Name" (ονομα/on'-om-ah), as used in Matt. 28:19. THEN come back to me with your iditotic, half-witted arguments about the use of this word.

As I told your friend, who suffers from the SAME knowledge-deficit as YOU - the Bible wasn't written in English . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, those who are born again have eternal life in their soul and spirit, and eventually in our resurrected body that will presently decay when we die and are still in the grave. What you don't understand is that your 'holy' traditions are only traditions, because they are erroneously made up, and NOT part of scriptural truth, thus are not holy. To believe these lies is the effect of having been brainwashed. Scripture already has stated that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between man and God and is totally accessible. We are to pray to God directly in His Son's name. Period. Don't add heresies to holy scripture. To do otherwise is having no faith in Jesus and God's Word! You only have faith in your false human teachers.

There are so many things wrong with this post - it's difficult to know just WHERE to begin.
Here goes . . .

Apparently, you've never actually READ your Bible. I suggest you pull it out of storage, dust it off and turm to 2 Thessalonians.
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, either by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

"... EITHER BY and Ooral statement OR BY a letter from us."
This is the very definition of "Tradition" - so YOUR rejection of Sacred Tradition is anti-Biblical.

Now - BEFORE you give me the usual nonsense like, "Those traditions were ONLY for that time. Everything was eventially written in the Bible" - you need to address a couplle of things:
- There is NO Boblical expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15.
- The Canon of Scripture wasn't declared by the Authority of the Catholic Church until 383 AD.

So - if the Apostles themselves didn't tell you which Books belong in the Bible - then WHY do you trust it as the "inspired" Word of God??

I'll waith right here for your well-researched answer . . .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

My dear Lady,

You are contradicting yourself, you say its ok to ask one another to pray for us, and then suggest that to do so is heresy... Make up your mind?

And it is you who are following the traditions of men, in rejecting the communion of the saints that has been lived and practiced by the Church for 2000 years..

Get over yourself..

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

You are consulting the dead which is forbidden witchcraft when you pray to Mary to intervene for you to the Father and a mediator, instead of Jesus Christ..

I said, "We are to pray to God directly in His Son's name. Period." That is for when we are praying for ourselves or someone else who is alive. We don't pray for the dead. Nor do we ask the dead to pray for us. Only Jesus is fully alive in spirit, soul and BODY. Mary doesn't have a resurrected body, nor can she hear your prayers. Those are the facts.

A 1600 year heresy doesn't make it right just because it has been practiced that long. It isn't in the Bible. But the opposite is written against witchcraft. So you beware and repent while you still have time. If you can't hear God saying that to you, well, only His sheep hear his voice.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I've said all I have to say on the subject of Mary. I know what Jesus says on the matter of praying to His mother, and venerating her to be on the same level as Jesus as mediator between us and God. She never died for us, nor has she been raised from the dead, but like us will do so at the last trump.

Jesus told the church age of Thyatira to repent of this paganism, but no one has since John penned it in Revelation 2. If I were you I would stop listening to heretics, and start obeying Jesus. It sure has been a long time coming...

 

[Jim B]

The unScriptural veneration of Mary, as well as making up myths about her being the queen of heaven, forever virgin, etc. clearly stems from the need to create a female goddess and to ascribe to her qualities that no woman can possibly live up to. Since her worshippers have a cultural need to create an idealized woman that no person can possibly live up to, they have handicapped all women.

Unfortunately this has resulted in marianismo: putting women up on an artificial pedestal that no living person can possibly match. When that happens, it opens up the door to abuse. It is condemning women to a life of humiliation and (sometimes) violence because they are not perfect.

The Bible -- the source of all truth -- clearly refutes this doctrine. Sola scriptura!

 

[Philip James]

You are consulting the dead

You just cant stop shouting your unbelief can you?

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Philip James]

She never died for us,

(and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed

Dear Lady, you may want to consider taking some time to reflect on Mary's suffering, and Jesus' perfect filial love for her as He watched her accompany Him throughout His passion..

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You just cant stop shouting your unbelief can you?

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

Yes, when we are born again, our soul and spirit becomes immortal and is alive still when we die. But our body remains dead UNTIL the resurrection. That is why Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. Do you believe all the dead Christian's bodies are now alive? Mary's too? Is that what the RCC taught you, or is that your own doctrine?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

(and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed

Dear Lady, you may want to consider taking some time to reflect on Mary's suffering, and Jesus' perfect filial love for her as He watched her accompany Him throughout His passion..

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

But her suffering was emotional and temporary. She didn't die for us. Nor has she already resurrected after she died. There are plenty of people who have suffered, and more than Mary. It is Jesus who did all the real suffering, but again, you focus on Mary over Jesus. That is idolatry.

 

[Philip James]

Yes, when we are born again, our soul and spirit becomes immortal and is alive

Then why do you keep insisting we are talking to the dead?

All are alive in Christ!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Philip James]

But her suffering was emotional and temporary. She didn't die for us. Nor has she already resurrected after she died. There are plenty of people who have suffered, and more than Mary. It is Jesus who did all the real suffering, but again, you focus on Mary over Jesus. That is idolatry.

Stop standing as the accusor of your brethren! You dont know our hearts..

And how focused on Jesus can one be, if they dont see Him looking at His mother as she suffers right along with Him...

Mary is not raised you say.. Where is her body?

Do you not think it right that Jesus would honour His mother and bring her bodily to be with Him?

What son who loved His mother wouldnt if it was within his power..

Your idolatry scarecrow is just a figment of your imigination..

We do not give latria to Mary.

To whom do you offer sacrifice?

Pax et Bonum

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[user]

Time to take you out to the "Scriptural woodshed" like I had to do with your buddy, @Truther.

Why don't you go to post #972 , where I gave him the Hebrew word used for "Name" (ονομα/on'-om-ah), as used in Matt. 28:19. THEN come back to me with your iditotic, half-witted arguments about the use of this word.

As I told your friend, who suffers from the SAME knowledge-deficit as YOU - the Bible wasn't written in English . . .

The Bible wasn't written in English? Wow ... that's a news flash. You must feel really special to have "schooled" us with that.


Now as far as authority... Your still wrongly baptizing in the "authority" of the nameless person.


You have rendered it thus....

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name(authority) of Jesus Christ(Son) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name(authority) of the Lord Jesus(Son).

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name(authority) of the Lord Jesus(Son).


Think hard!

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Bible wasn't written in English? Wow ... that's a news flash. You must feel really special to have "schooled" us with that.
Now as far as authority... Your still wrongly baptizing in the "authority" of the nameless person.
You have rendered it thus....
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name(authority) of Jesus Christ(Son) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name(authority) of the Lord Jesus(Son).
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name(authority) of the Lord Jesus(Son).

Think hard!

By this inane response - it's painfully obvious that you DIDN'T read post #972 as instructed. I guess I'll have to school you on the linguistic implications of your total ignorance with regards to Matt. 28:19 - so pay attntion.
I highlighted the MOST idiotic parts of your response in RED . . .

The Greek word used for "Name" in Matt. 28:19 is ονομα (on'-om-ah).
Here is the DEFINITON of that word:
1) name: univ. of proper names 2) the name is used for EVERYTHING which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's RANK, AUTHORITY, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

Conclusion:
Jesus DIDN'T say, "... Baptizing them in the "specific proper name" of the Father and the "specific proper name" of the Son and the "specific proper name" of the Holy Spirit."
Only a person who is completely bankrupt of ANY know;edge of Greek would make such an idiotic statement.

Omn Acts 2:38 - Peter is referring to the AUTHORITY of Jesus when he says to be Baaptized "in the name (ονομα/on'-om-ah) of Jesus Christ".
Don't believe me?? See the definition from Strong's abnove.

It's important to rememer ONE thing, son:
Greek is NOT English, so you've LOST this argument . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, those who are born again have eternal life in their soul and spirit, and eventually in our resurrected body that will presently decay when we die and are still in the grave. What you don't understand is that your 'holy' traditions are only traditions, because they are erroneously made up, and NOT part of scriptural truth, thus are not holy. To believe these lies is the effect of having been brainwashed. Scripture already has stated that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between man and God and is totally accessible. We are to pray to God directly in His Son's name. Period. Don't add heresies to holy scripture. To do otherwise is having no faith in Jesus and God's Word! You only have faith in your false human teachers.

There are so many things wrong with this post - it's difficult to know just WHERE to begin.
Here goes . . .

Apparently, you've never actually READ your Bible. I suggest you pull it out of storage, dust it off and turm to 2 Thessalonians.
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, either by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

"... EITHER BY and Ooral statement OR BY a letter from us."
This is the very definition of "Tradition" - so YOUR rejection of Sacred Tradition is anti-Biblical.

Now - BEFORE you give me the usual nonsense like, "Those traditions were ONLY for that time. Everything was eventially written in the Bible" - you need to address a couplle of things:
- There is NO Boblical expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15.
- The Canon of Scripture wasn't declared by the Authority of the Catholic Church until 383 AD.

So - if the Apostles themselves didn't tell you which Books belong in the Bible - then WHY do you trust it as the "inspired" Word of God??

I'll wait right here for your well-researched answer . . .

Ummmm - STLL waiting for an answer to my million dollar question.
Cat got your tongue - or is it just that you just DON'T have an answer?

 

[Truther]

Not doubt that when @BreadOfLife and @theefaith fill out a form, they render it thus...

Fill in the Name of your Country = They write the word country
Fill in the Name of your State = They write the word state
Fill in the Name of your City = They write the word city

LOL!!!

 

[Truther]

WOW. So, let me get this straight - YOUR sect baptizes, "In the name of YHVH, Jesus Christ and DOVE"??
Those are the words of Baptism used in your quasi-Christian sect??

The Father's name isn't "YHVH" and the Holy Spirit's name isn't "Doce".
The "dove" is just a symbol of the Holy Spirit - as shown in Matt. 3.
Matt. 3:16
And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw God’s Spirit descending LIKE a dove and alighting on him.

Good grief, Einstein.

As to the Father - "YHVH" is the name of the GODHEAD (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) - NOT just the Father. The SAME Godhead who uttered the following verse:
Genesis 1:26
Then God (YHVH) said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So, I ask you AGAIN, Einstein - since YOU think that we need to mention the Trinity by NAME, and you refuse tpo accept your Lord Jesus Christ's words of Baptism -
WHAT is the name of the Father?
WHAT is the name of the Holy Spirit?

I suggest you go BAK to my last post (#972), where I gave you a Linguistics Lesson with regards to the Hebrew word used for "Name" (ονομα/on'-om-ah).
Remember - the Bible wasan't written in English, son . . .


PS - ANY of your equally-ignorant and confused anti-Trinitarian cronies are welcome to jumpo in here with the answer . . .

No, we only say "Jesus" when baptizing, since the name of all 3 titles is Jesus.

I was helping you figure out what the name of the son is, but it is like pulling teeth.

 

[Truther]

Time to take you out to the "Scriptural woodshed" like I had to do with your buddy, @Truther.

Why don't you go to post #972 , where I gave him the Hebrew word used for "Name" (ονομα/on'-om-ah), as used in Matt. 28:19. THEN come back to me with your iditotic, half-witted arguments about the use of this word.

As I told your friend, who suffers from the SAME knowledge-deficit as YOU - the Bible wasn't written in English . . .

...as the RCC still thinks the name of the son of God is "son".

 

[Zao is life]

I read these passages this morning and want to know who is the Queen of Heaven that the burned incense to that made god angry?

Jeremiah 44:16-18
16 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”


Jeremiah 44:20-23
20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman (Hebrew 'ishshâh), and between your seed and her Seed;He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."

Ishtar was the goddess of fertility and "Queen of Heaven" worshiped by the Babylonians; and also worshiped with different names and adaptations of her worship by other nations: The Greek goddess Astarte was the Hellenized form of the Middle Eastern goddess Astoreth, which in turn is a form of the worship of Ishtar.

The Roman name for her was Venus. It's also very similar to the old German name of the goddess Ēostre (left) or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre) the namesake of the pagan festival of Easter, who had fertility symbols related to her worship.

They also worshiped her seed: a god produced in their superstitious religious minds as the seed of Ishtar, worshiping it under different names (Tammuz being one).

They also began to worship the sun, moon and stars, which the Bible employs as metaphors for human rulers and the saints who are the elect people of God.

So yes, I believe it is indeed possible that the superstitious religious mind that has existed in mankind ever since the fall of Adam took the above Apocalypse of God and, corrupting it, began to worship the creature rather than the Creator (see Romans 1:25, and read from verse 21).

THE TRUE PROMISED SEED​

Simile: "And He brought him outside and said, Look now toward the heavens and count the stars, if you are able to count them. And He said to him, So shall your seed be." Genesis 15:5

Simile: "..that in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies." Genesis 22:17

Simile: "And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever." Daniel 12:3

Metaphor: "And he dreamed still another dream, and told it to his brothers. And he said, Behold, I have dreamed another dream. And behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me."

Jacob was the ruler of his clan. In Genesis 37:9-10 (above) the sun refers metaphorically to Jacob, and the moon to Rachel, Joseph's mother. The stars refer metaphorically to Joseph’s eleven brothers. The same metaphor appears in Revelation 12:1-5.

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

Let's say that again:

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

Let's say that one more time:

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

 

[Pearl]

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman (Hebrew 'ishshâh), and between your seed and her Seed;He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."

Ishtar was the goddess of fertility and "Queen of Heaven" worshiped by the Babylonians; and also worshiped with different names and adaptations of her worship by other nations: The Greek goddess Astarte was the Hellenized form of the Middle Eastern goddess Astoreth, which in turn is a form of the worship of Ishtar.

The Roman name for her was Venus. It's also very similar to the old German name of the goddess Ēostre (left) or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre) the namesake of the pagan festival of Easter, who had fertility symbols related to her worship.

They also worshiped her seed: a god produced in their superstitious religious minds as the seed of Ishtar, worshiping it under different names (Tammuz being one).

They also began to worship the sun, moon and stars, which the Bible employs as metaphors for human rulers and the saints who are the elect people of God.

So yes, I believe it is indeed possible that the superstitious religious mind that has existed in mankind ever since the fall of Adam took the above Apocalypse of God and, corrupting it, began to worship the creature rather than the Creator (see Romans 1:25, and read from verse 21).

THE TRUE PROMISED SEED​

Simile: "And He brought him outside and said, Look now toward the heavens and count the stars, if you are able to count them. And He said to him, So shall your seed be." Genesis 15:5

Simile: "..that in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies." Genesis 22:17

Simile: "And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever." Daniel 12:3

Metaphor: "And he dreamed still another dream, and told it to his brothers. And he said, Behold, I have dreamed another dream. And behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me."

Jacob was the ruler of his clan. In Genesis 37:9-10 (above) the sun refers metaphorically to Jacob, and the moon to Rachel, Joseph's mother. The stars refer metaphorically to Joseph’s eleven brothers. The same metaphor appears in Revelation 12:1-5.

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

Let's say that again:

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

Let's say that one more time:

The woman was never meant to be venerated.

Whoever she was she isn't Mary who is just an exceptional women but not a queen of anywhere.