Who founded your church?

[DNB]

More words from you but no answer.....

Soooooo the answer is?????????

Why do I feel that every time that we speak, you're only taking into consideration my latest post?
I feel that we are going in endless circles, it's like you have forgotten everything that i affirmed in all my previous posts.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The religious organization that you are referring to, has a previous name, which is the original.
You should stay with the original, as its more indicative of the truth.

Its this.. The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the cult of the Virgin as Mother of God.

Notice..."cult of the Virgin"..

Later this name of your "tree" was reformed and remodeled and given a new religious moniker. "catholic'.

I prefer "cult of the virgin" as that was what the Original " church Fathers" chose for its title, as this accurately represents its denomination.

If you need an update, then go and find member = Marymog (Mary-mother of God) as she's up to date regarding the original denomination.

If you are still confused, then just do a general online search of this...

Mariology

It's a good thing wew have the documents of the Early Church - and I mean the Apostolic Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, who identifies the Church of the apostles as "The Cathoolic Church" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, AD 107). This was not some "later invention" as you erroneously and dishonestly claim.

As to YOUR use of the term "cult" - it only amplifies your abject ignorance.
"Cult" in the vernacular sense usually refers to an entity that uses psychological or other manipulation to control others.

"Cult" in Catholic theology, however, has a completely different meaning and is used to refer to anything regading worship or devotion. A devotion to any saint - including Mary, would employ the use of the term. If a Catholic chose to marry a non-Christian, they seek a dispensation from the Church. This dispensation is called the “disparity of cult,” which simply means that the 2 people have different methods of worship.

Instead of spouting off ignorant nonsense, as you usually do - try to educate yourself before posting.
I'm embarrassed for you . . .

 

[Truther]

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.
The dying Thief on the Cross, was not water baptized at all.
So, if you are born again, then when you get to heaven, go and ask that Living Saved former "thief" all about it.
Till then, just think about that and maybe you can free your own self from what "water cults' teach to try to deceive.

You were buried alive?

That must have been horrible.

Poor thing.

 

[Truther]

We read verses like Acts 2:38-39, Col. 2:11-12, Gal. 3:27, Tit. 3:4-8, 1 Pet. 3:21 and Matt. 19:13-14.

Where did YOU learn that infants and children were kicked out of the Body of Christ?

You skip Acts 2:38-39 in the worst of ways.

You don't baptize the repented.

You don't baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.

You don't insist on the Acts 2 baptism of the Holy Ghost for everyone.

What a mess.

 

[Truther]

And Jesus said to his apostles behold I am with you till the end, so the apostles are here till the end. Matt 28:19

Those were his now deceased disciples.

The only authority we now have is their writings.

If we stray from their writings into the abyss of commentary, we fall short.

 

[BreadOfLife]

= Water Baptism.

Paul said that Christ did not send him for this purpose.
He did not say that he didnt water baptize.
So, what he's doing is showing you how important its NOT, as compared to "preaching the Cross" as found in the rest of the verse you quoted.
And why is that , BreadofLife?
Why is the city water system that is used to get people wet, not as important as "Preaching the Cross". ?

Its this....

"faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God".

Now, notice the context of FAITH, in that Verse..
Its the REASON, the Word of God is preached.
To ELICIT -= FAITH, as you are saved by "Grace THROUGH FAITH."
"Faith is COUNTED AS = Righteousness".
See that?
"Abraham BELIEVED GOD"......that is FAITH, and this faith was counted to Abraham AS = Righteousness.

So, when you hear the Gospel, and you BELIEVE, then God accepts this FAITH, to : "Justification by FAITH"...which is the Gospel that Paul was Preaching, that is to "preach the Cross".

No water anywhere.
None needed, and then, its good to be water baptized after you are born again..., as this symbolically represents in Public, not only your confession of faith in Christ,, but also that you have SYBOLICALLY risen with Christ as a "new Creation".

WOW.
This shows just how ignorant you are about the very Scriptures you try to weaponize as soe sort of "proof" against Baptism.
Let me educate you . . .

In 1 Cor. 1:17, Paul isn't speaking out against the importance - and necessity of Baptism. He is trying to quell a growing problem of division within the Corinthian Church. Factions were forming around the leaders by whom they were Baptized. Paul is simply downplaying HIS importance - and the importance of the other leaders - NOT Baptism itself.
1 Cor. 1:12-15
What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.

Paul's statement that Christ did not send him to Baptise ic clearly hyperbole as are his comments above - because in the Great commission, he commanded ALL of His Apostles to Baptize ALL nations (Matt. 28:19-20).

Stop quoting the Bible until you LEARN what it is saying . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You skip Acts 2:38-39 in the worst of ways.

You don't baptize the repented.

You don't baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.

You don't insist on the Acts 2 baptism of the Holy Ghost for everyone.

What a mess.

WRONG, my woefully ignorant friend.

YOU forget that Acts 2:38-39 INCLUDES the children - and NOWHERE does it give an insruction of what AGE they need to be in order to be Baptized.

Acts 2:38-39
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

 

[Truther]

WRONG, my woefully ignorant friend.

YOU forget that Acts 2:38-39 INCLUDES the children - and NOWHERE does it give an insruction of what AGE they need to be in order to be Baptized.

Acts 2:38-39
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

I can see your first Pope at Pentecost....


36 Therefore let all the NEWBORN BABIES OF THE house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye BABIES have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when THE NEWBORN BABIES heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto THE NEWBORN BABIES, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

LOL

 

[theefaith]

Those were his now deceased disciples.

The only authority we now have is their writings.

If we stray from their writings into the abyss of commentary, we fall short.

The church body of Christ new covenant kingdom is governed by men appointed by Christ the king

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

 

[Brakelite]

I think Catholics ought to take more notice of some of their own writers, sometimes they actually do come up with some wisdom. Thomas Aquinas for example had the following to say on the subject of authority and obedience...
The order of authority derives from God, as the Apostle says [in Romans 13:1-7]. For this reason, the duty of obedience is, for the Christian, a consequence of this derivation of authority from God, and ceases when that ceases. But, as we have already said, authority may fail to derive from God for two reasons: either because of the way in which authority has been obtained, or in consequence of the use which is made of it.

How much more should spiritual authority be derived from God and obeyed, but rejected outright when such authority is assumed, usurped, granted from the deceiver and abused?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I am sure you both remember well the many depictions of Mary with her foot on the head of the serpent.

Oh that is sad. I hate stupidity.

 

[Behold]

@Behold @CharismaticLadyI am sure you both remember well the many depictions of Mary with her foot on the head of the serpent.

What a certain religious organization teaches about Mary crushing the serpents head, is certainly not accurate.
As its Jesus who came to "destroy the works of the Devil" not Mary.

Let me post the verse.

"""HER SEED; = It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.”

Notice that its the SEED of Mary who is a HE, that shall bruise the head....of the serpent.

So, this particular denomination's false bible has changed Jesus into Mary, and has her doing the deed.

Shameful, deceitful, and devilish.

 

[Behold]

As to YOUR use of the term "cult" - it only amplifies your abject ignorance.

It was the "church fathers" in 4ad, who created the term= "cult of the virgin" that is your religious organization.
So, according to you, im only reiterating their Ignorance, as they created the phrase.

 

[Behold]

You were buried alive?
That must have been horrible.
Poor thing.

Actually i was born again.

 

[Behold]

WOW.
This shows just how ignorant you are about the very Scriptures you try to weaponize as soe sort of "proof" against Baptism.
Let me educate you . . .

In 1 Cor. 1:17, .

You already tried that one.

So once again, lets look at salvation.

God came here as Jesus, and because "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin", He shed His Blood.
This blood is the New Covenant, which is the New Testament.
This Blood, is the Atonement, that God uses to justify and redeem.

Water has no part in the Cross, or in the Salvation of a Soul.

Now, there are water cults that have no use for the Blood of Jesus, and they are only concerned with the city water supply.
What i advise is that you avoid all these, or you will end up as a cross rejecting heretic, who only worries about water.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not sure who you are addressing here. If it's me I think you misunderstand what I'm saying...I suggest you read my post a little more carefully. Now particularly this part...

In other words, what Jerome was declaring in his loose translation (which the Catholics claim is the only accurate Bible) is that she, the woman, shall bruise Satan's head. This false lying depiction, an Antichrist (replacing Christ) depiction of the gospel, been celebrated in art since. I am sure you both remember well the many depictions of Mary with her foot on the head of the serpent.

What you are teaching is false.
As its Jesus who came to "destroy the works of the Devil" not Mary

 

[Truther]

The church body of Christ new covenant kingdom is governed by men appointed by Christ the king

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Any Tom, Dick or Harry can claim they are the successors.

Fact is, the foundation is built on the original Apostles and prophets... Jesus Christ being the Chief cornerstone....

So, if we follow Tom, Dick and Harry, we create a new foundation.

No thanks.

 

[Truther]

Actually i was born again.

If you were buried with Christ(baptized per Romans 6), 11 years after being made alive, you were buried alive.

 

[Behold]

I'm not sure who you are addressing here.

Revised.

 

[Behold]

If you were buried with Christ(baptized per Romans 6), 11 years after being made alive, you were buried alive.

Its symbolic.
We are symbolically buried in "water baptism", that is our old man, and our New Creation in Christ is risen.....We come up out of the water...