Who founded your church?

[mjrhealth]

Not really. I think one can be Catholic and saved in spite of some of their false teachings. To me a cult would be a sect that denies Jesus' divinity.

What makes you think that God cannot save someone in a cult, He is quiet capable.

 

[Marymog]

Lol. Okay.

WOW...Such an articulate rebuttal. I have learned when a person can’t defend their false beliefs/statements they quickly bow out to save face.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Marymog]

What makes you think that God cannot save someone in a cult, He is quiet capable.

I believe He is capable 0f saving you.....if you join His Church. Yup...I’m trolling you...in the hope of saving you.

 

[mjrhealth]

I believe He is capable 0f saving you.....if you join His Church. Yup...I’m trolling you...in the hope of saving you.

well far to late im sorry no star added to your littlle ditty. So many religious people going to be disappointed soon enough. And I love trolls they cute and live under mushrooms.

 

[Marymog]

well far to late im sorry no star added to your littlle ditty. So many religious people going to be disappointed soon enough. And I love trolls they cute and live under mushrooms.

Hi Fomitiporia ellipsoidea, Let me help you:

Write your best with Grammarly.

 

[mjrhealth]

Hi Fomitiporia ellipsoidea, Let me help you:

Write your best with Grammarly.

You cant even help yourself.. Got no leg to stand on...have you, ignorance is bliss,

 

[Marymog]

ignorance is bliss,

It's worked for you so far....hasn't it!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Straw man. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I didn't say the church required such activity for forgiveness of sin. I said Catholics were taught that such activity contributed to the purging of sin. Just as doing penance after confession and earning credits for those in purgatory through indulgences. I ain't apologising for nothing.

The key word is repentance, which is the act of being penitent.

If you voluntarily engage in a devotion of penitence (self mortification) because you are contrite for for your sins - that's one thing. Torturing yourself is quite another - and has NEVER been taught by the Catholic Church.

 

[Marymog]

One of my favorite early church writings, I have read it many times. He was a disciple of John. the Apostolic church was largely a Hebrew church, after the destruction of the temple the apostolic church became the church of Ephesus, headed by John, and which in turn became the church of Smyrna the persecuted church which lasted and thrived till Constantine. I Believe in the church ages as the progressive revelation to the church, one builds upon the next. We are now living in the Laodicean age. Rome has a big part in that as do the reformation and Wesleyan fundamentalism and Pentecostalism. I do not discredit any of them, but see flaws in all of them, that lead to the next step in the growth of the church. That is where Unity comes from, not from concord with Belial, but with the unity of the Spirit. I consider myself a Laodicean, and we all who are believers in this day and age are.

Hi David,

From whom did you receive the knowledge that other men's teachings has "flaws"? Are you self taught?

Also, what does it mean to you to be a Laodicean?

Thank you in advance.....Mary

 

[theefaith]

You think the papacy is an economic and military superpower?
I heard those Swiss guard were good but...:



Antioch, I've already quoted. The Church in Pela, I am unfamiliar with, do you have something from them to share?

Peace!

the papacy is biblical

 

[theefaith]

Wow, talk about warping scriptures!

"But turning and seeing her, Jesus said, Daughter, be comforted; your faith has saved you. And the woman was saved from that hour."

"And he said to her: Daughter, your faith has saved you; go in peace, and be cured of your plague."


And Jesus said to him: Go, your faith has saved you. And he immediately received his sight, and followed Jesus on the road.


Luk 7:50

Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith [in Me] has saved you; go in peace [free from the distress experienced because of sin].”


Luk 8:48

And he said to her, "Daughter, your faith has saved you. Go in peace."



Luk 17:19

And he said to him, "Get up [and] go your way. Your faith has saved you."


Luk 18:42

And Jesus said to him, "Regain [your] sight! Your faith has saved you."

Healing was refered to not eternal salvation
1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

all faith even alone avails nothing

Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone

 

[Renniks]

And once again - YOUR understanding of faith differs from what Scripture says that faith is (James 2:19).
YOU believe that what the Demons have is faith - and I assure you - it's NOT. They have BELIEF - but WE must have FAITH.

I agree. Demons do not accept Christ's sacrifice. They can't, because it's not for them. They don't trust in God, they only believe because they have no other choice. We must trust in his sacrifice to save us. Big difference. But our work merits nothing.

 

[David H.]

Hi David,

From whom did you receive the knowledge that other men's teachings has "flaws"? Are you self taught?

Also, what does it mean to you to be a Laodicean?

Thank you in advance.....Mary

I Am Holy Spirit taught. He teaches me, and leads my thoughts, Most times using scripture, other times he leads me to other teachers that are Holy Spirit taught themselves. Most times, he has corrected my own thinking on these matters and shown me how these problems are prevalent in the church. For example, Like Hosea he has given me marital issues that have taught me the true meaning of Agape love and Christ's love for His church, and how he is waiting for his bride to submit to His will, which has illustrated the lack of submission in the churches who go about doing things according to the will of man as opposed to the will of God. Building grandiose monuments to the faith, whether cathedrals or protestant entertainment centers being among them.

I Was taught in the church's i was raised in that we were the Philadelphians, that we were the church that had no rebuke presented to them, which was indicative of the denial the Laodicean church is under known as complacency. This was the fate of the Fundamentalist missionary based churches of the 18th and 19th centuries that had textualism take over and divine revelation was lost on them. The Holy Spirit told me that this was a lie, that I am a Laodicean believer, and that all who are alive now who believe are Laodiceans, this least of the churches, and most rebuked. It was a wake up call as he convicted me of my denial, my wretchedness, my blindness, and spiritual nakedness. But when I accepted this conviction, I took the remedy prescribed to this church seriously, and he gave me the eyesalve to see, and the desire to repent from my self deception and denial that was perpetuated by these scribes in my churches which led to this denial.

He then took me into the wilderness where absent from all previous indoctrinization of the church he taught me the truth. I went into the wilderness with the heart willing to learn and he taught me, I went in with Pauline ignorance (A term I use in place of Socratic ignorance) To Know nothing save Christ and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2), and he showed me the church, and the church ages, and how the church grows through these ages, and why he does this the way he does, how the seven Spirits of God are tied to each of these church ages, and how when they in the end unite, the fulness of Christ comes in, and how each of these churches ages brought in a progressive revelation that makes this whole, and how this final church age is the one that will bring to birth the saints of the millennial reign that will rule with Christ as a royal priesthood. There is so much to this I cannot even explain in a short comment, much of it he is still revealing to me, so I understand that I only Know in part the fulness of what is his plan for the church.

In that respect I do not deny the role of the Roman church in these church ages, for they have a big part in them forming large parts of that progressive history, and having those who have kept themselves pure from the corruptions of those church ages as that passed down from one age to the next. But I also see people like Luther and Wesley as part of this progressive revelation, and the Asuza street revival as the final church age being born. Each age got arrogant in their exclusivity, and in each case Nicolaitans took over those churches and each time God raised a remnant holy and desiring of the Him and the truth to reform the body to where we are now. Where we are now is the postmodern church absent from Truth, and disjointed, and disconnected, and in absolute chaos, But this is a blessing, because Unity of the Spirit will stand in contrast to this disjointed nature and shine the light on the flaws of the church leadership that has led to this, this being, in my opinion the finest hour of the saints of the church, But at the same time the tares will be exposed as their love waxes cold as they battle to keep their Nicolaitan power over the people, much like you all have done here trying to dictate dogma and promoting the hierarchy of the catholic church, which is not only a catholic problem but a problem in all the churches.

Re: Nicolaitanism. Nicolaitanism literally means to to rule over the laity, to conquer the laity. They are in Revelation a group of people who fell into Balaam's error. Balaam was a prophet who did so for personal gain, and placed a stumbling block before the people of Israel. This error takes many forms in the churches of men. From the earliest day this was a problem in the church, which Paul addressed in 1 Corinthians 3 when he spoke of the some being followers of Paul himself and some being followers of Apollos. Immediately he rebuke the Corinthian church, pointing all from men to God, saying he planted and Apollos watered, but God granted the growth.

It is in the fallen nature of men to lead and be led, for some to lord over the masses. This is a problem with human nature, but with those who are in Christ, we are all brethren. (See Matthew 23:4-12) We all know in part, not the whole, and in fellowship with those who know different parts we can get a picture of the whole. So For example I as a fundamentalist no longer am led by the fundamentalist scribes which dictated our doctrine, (the Nicolaitans of fundamentalism) But will and am able to have fellowship with Catholics, or Calvinists or Charismatics, while learning from them some wonderful truths of the divine revelation given them, all the while discerning when they begin to promote their Nicolaitanism, and am able to point this out to them how this is their flaw. This is what fellowship is about, it is learning from one another the whole of the Truth Granted us, that we may more fully know the truth. This can only occur in the scismatic and broken world we are living in and in this Laodicean church age. It is we in this age who are called to unite the seven Spirits of God given to the seven church ages into the fulness of Christ as we lay aside the doctrines of men. For the scripture read Ephesians 4:11-16. Especially verse 14. This is the mystery he has revealed to me, the question is can you hear what the Spirit is saying to the church?

 

[Brakelite]

the papacy is biblical

Can't argue with that. Here's one example...
KJV Daniel 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[theefaith]

Can't argue with that. Here's one example...
KJV Daniel 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

only two entities are capable of fulfilling this scripture: drunk with the blood of the saints
The pagan Roman Empire and militant communism! Not the holy church founded by Christ Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

 

[Renniks]

It's a matter of fact that a LOT of ignorant Christians do a LOT of things - but that's completely different from making blanket staements about what Catholics believe about suffering for Christ.

As Paul states in Scripture (Col. 1:24) - we join our sufferings with those of Christ fpor the sake of the Church - but we're NOT supposed to cause them.

First, your church has not been consistent on the issue of penance. Some insisted that not all sins could be forgiven, adultery for example. Again how can one know how many acts of penance are enough? Because of some priests prescription?

You can not just sweep your churches history under the rug, and pretend it's all pretty.

 

[Renniks]

Thank you for your response. I agree with you....That is one identifier of a cult.

Since you have decided that The Church has false teachings I am curious: What other churches (denominations) have false teachings? Who taught you what a false teaching is? Or are you self taught?

Curious Mary

They all do, IMO. I have attended various churches and studied on my own also. Some more than others. The Catholic IMO, add too much ritual and baggage that's non biblical, until there's a very real danger of people trying to work themselves into the kingdom by doing all the right rituals, people who may not have ever come to Jesus himself for salvation.

 

[BarneyFife]

If you where of Christ you would not be here sending people to prison and death as you SDA friends do. Mother and daughter having a spat. Christ cant be a part of this, it is none of His doing.

How do Seventh-day Adventists send people to prison and death?

 

[BarneyFife]

NAh your just mad because i cant agree with the devil, which is what i would have to do to join any religion and than turn my back on Christ, Cant do not even for you, of teh SDA jws etc etc

Just love your senseless ant-religion quips. :)

 

[Renniks]

Well, once again we agree (surprise). Jesus is the truth! Everything he taught was the Truth.

Sooooo when your interpretation of His Words lead you to your truth which is different than someone else’s truth......Which one of you is right? Luthers truth was different than the CC truth. Which one of them was right?

Can you see how your theory is not well thought out?

Curious Mary

No. I don't know what you mean about it not being well thought out. None of us know all Truth. Surely the pope doesn't know it anymore than we do.

"I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

Seems pretty plain to me how to understand who is truly a heretic.

"Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

What teaching? The teaching that love is central and that Christ came in the flesh and lives in us... not that we know all there is to know.