Who founded your church?

[mjrhealth]

How can I be mad when every post I read of yours makes me LOL......

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If you where of Christ you would not be here sending people to prison and death as you SDA friends do. Mother and daughter having a spat. Christ cant be a part of this, it is none of His doing.

 

[Marymog]

Wont be for too much longer... Im sure that is just your flesh , must be horrid being held captive to your pride.

Pride: the quality or state of being proud

Nope, nothing horrid about me being proud that I have found The Church that is spoken of in Scripture. You are still searching....now that must really be horrid for you kiddo.

Getting back to the OP.... who founded the Church you attend???

 

[Marymog]

If you where of Christ you would not be here sending people to prison and death as you SDA friends do. Mother and daughter having a spat. Christ cant be a part of this, it is none of His doing.

Oh goodness....God gave YOU the ability to know who is “of Christ” and who isn’t??

You are truly blessed kiddo.....

Who founded your Church (denomination)????

 

[mjrhealth]

Oh goodness....God gave YOU the ability to know who is “of Christ” and who isn’t??

You are truly blessed kiddo.....

Who founded your Church (denomination)????

Something to do with" Come out of her """MY PEOPLE"""""...

 

[mjrhealth]

Nope, nothing horrid about me being proud that I have found The Church that is spoken of in Scripture. You are still searching....now that must really be horrid for you kiddo.

Something to do with, you have eyes yet cannot see, ears but cannot hear, dont have to look for Jesus HE found me years ago. And the only church you found was the one that suits your fancy, nice comfortable all the way to death, See they all say they are His yet all refuse to leave religion to follow Him.

Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

 

[Brakelite]

Hi Renniks,

I missed the verse that said the Apostles immersed for baptism. Would you share it with me?

Thanks...Mary

They must have been fully immersed otherwise all the scriptures such as in Romans that describe baptism as a burial, mean nothing.

 

[Brakelite]

Sooooo will you ever admit that Protestants did the same thing? Or are you going to keep throwing stones in your glass house??

Curious Mary

If you were following the conversation you would see that I condemned Protestant persecutions of Catholics along with all other religious persecution of whatever stripe.
But you will never accept the concept of Catholic responsibility for systematic persecution as an integral part of church policy will you

 

[Marymog]

If you were following the conversation you would see that I condemned Protestant persecutions of Catholics along with all other religious persecution of whatever stripe.

Thank you Backlit. You are right....you did say "Any persecution by Protestants was just as reprehensible and wicked as that of Rome."

And then the blame game started.

You came up with two mitigating circumstances for the "reprehensible and wicked" persecutions commited by Protestants. Sooooo according to your "mitigating circumstances" it was the Catholic Churches fault that these new Protestants were being "reprehensible and wicked"!!!

Soooo riddle me this Backlit: These new Protestants were smart enough to figure out that the Catholic dogma/doctrine they were taught was heretical and completely against what Jesus/Apostles taught but these same new Protestants couldn't figure out that it wasn't OK to kill people that disagreed with them????? F A S C I N A T I N G!!!

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Philip James]

No Other religion fits the description as well

Dear David,

That 'mystery babylon' must be a religious organization is a 'teaching of men'. Scripture is clear that babylon is an economic and military superpower.

But to bring it back to the OP... if the Church in Rome is indeed some kind of imposter.. what does that leave us with? Alexandria? Constantinople? If one's community cannot trace its origins back to an apostle, clearly it is not the Church that Jesus founded...

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

 

[Marymog]

They must have been fully immersed otherwise all the scriptures such as in Romans that describe baptism as a burial, mean nothing.

Good Morning Backlit.

Soooooo thanks for joining the convo.!! Yes, the description of "baptism as a burial" means something. Using the Protestant theory of sola Scriptura there is no verse that says "they immersed them"! In context: Renniks made the assertion that "the disciples and apostles never sprinkled anyone with water, they immersed them. Boy, they must have missed that verse, huh?"

Clearly you and I are unable to find a verse showing that baptism was immersion only soooo I look forward to Renniks response.

However, we do have historical writings (written before some of the NT epistles) from 1st century Christianity that suggest immersion was NOT the only method for baptism.

Historical Mary

 

[Marymog]

Something to do with, you have eyes yet cannot see, ears but cannot hear, dont have to look for Jesus HE found me years ago. And the only church you found was the one that suits your fancy, nice comfortable all the way to death, See they all say they are His yet all refuse to leave religion to follow Him.

Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

You have eyes yet cannot see, ears but cannot hear!!

Grammarly

 

[Marymog]

Something to do with" Come out of her """MY PEOPLE"""""...

Sooooo why are you still in your denomination. You should join The Church.

Grammarly

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The one true is only founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!

Jesus is the rock that all churches are built on - not Peter. Jesus was referring to Himself in Matt. 16:18.
He asked who do they say I am and Peter answered, the Son of the Living God. Jesus is responsible for building the Church, Peter died a few decades later. The Holy Spirit converts the heart. Then that disciple goes out and scatters the seed. It is a spiritual seed.
Jesus worked through all His believers to build His Church which now consists of 2.5 billion.
There are false churches with false teachers. But ultimately God's sovereign plan is moving along with perfection. He allows and factors in all our sin, blunders, and errors in teaching. No church is perfect! Some are faithful and grow fruit, others are stagnant, worldly, allow sin and false doctrine as we've seen evidence of in Jesus' letters to the Seven Churches. He warns most if thise churches to repent, otherwise He will take away their lampstand, the Light.

 

[Marymog]

I think we are misjudging history. The people in apostolic days were not illiterate. Those fisherman Jesus picked could read and write in aramaic and Greek. And probably speak the low latin of the romans.

Hey Backlit! As you may know I am a lover of history. Can you provide your source for the above statement? Thank you in advance.

Mary

 

[Illuminator]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27

No country has produced more missionaries and more translations of the bible and distributed them to more people around the World than the Christians in America. The Catholic church Robs the laity of their wealth and prosperity to build buildings that take 100's of years to construct to show their grandiousity to the world. How many Hungry children could have been fed by the money spent on the treasures of the Vatican to help the poor, to care for the fatherless, to help those in affliction that was spent on the Sagrada Familia for example? Or the Vatican itself? The Hospitals, and the schools are a pittance compared to these "monuments" to men, not to God.

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. (Revelation 17:4-6)

What religion is associated with the colors scarlet and Purple? Has a Golden cup in their hand? Has Pearl necklaces? Has the blood of saints in their history? Is the mother of Harlots?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... Did you ever ask, why John "wondered with great admiration?"

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Reported as a hate rant, full of lies, it violates every rule, and David H. is an embarrassment to educated Protestants.

 

[David H.]

Reported as a hate rant, full of lies, it violates every rule, nothing more needs to be said.

Here is what I wrote in response to this post.

My Position is an observation of facts as was indicated by the image posted. No Other religion fits the description as well. The Question for you is has your church fallen into such apostacy? I am not speaking of the people but the leadership? Right down to the pearls on the Popes necklace, this description is very accurate to the imagery of the RCC.

If You continue reading This passage, and this is speaking of the RCC, there is a warning to the Catholic believers as to the eventual demise of the harlot at the hands of the beast she rides and the ten Kings that rule with the beast. A Beast is human government, no other church is keen on ruling with the government like the RCC as the church militant But it ends up turning on them. Not to mention the warning In Revelation 18:4.

I Say this with a heart of warning to you, and any who will listen, not with the heart of Judas, and anti-Catholicism. I am anti-Nicolaitanism, which is what I believe the leadership of many churches are falling into Catholic and protestant alike.

I Know to this day the Jewish People refuse to read passages such as Ezekiel 16 because of the hard words in them, but that does not deny that they are in the word of God. Harlotry is a very real problem in the church, and any church is a potential victim of this, not just the catholic church. I Agree with some of the posters here as to this being problematic in the protestant churches as well. What protestants in England did to the irish catholics is no different than what the Catholics did to the Anabaptists, the Problem is the hierarchy of the churches, the nicolaitans that lord over the laity and commit Balaam's error and do so personal glory and robbing God of His Glory.

I Was wondering when the victim mentality of the left (Post modernism) would show up on this forum? When the truth and conviction would become considered hate crime and a violation of TOS, and in so doing the conviction of the Holy Ghost would be silenced on this forum. I Have seen this over and over again as the Nicolaitans in control of forums flex their muscle and silence those who speak the truth.

If you have read any of my comments here, they are anything but anti-Catholic, but rather pro reform, which is to say I am an equally critical of protestant denominations for perpetuating the same forms of Nicolaitanism. This is the harlotry, the fact that the Catholic church has a side that is in bed with the powers of the world is really no different than what is seen in many protestant circles in the U.S. that are politically involved in the same efforts, which I have also addressed on this forum pointing to the flaws in the Qanon movement, and the current election uprisings in DC. This is not the kingdom of heaven and we should not be trying to reform the world, but trying to reform the church to be separate from the world and the powers that are at work therein.

Take the time to read the following link:
Francis Frangipane's Eword Messages: Unoffendable (francisfrangipanemessages.blogspot.com)

 

[Marymog]

Jesus is the rock that all churches are built on - not Peter. Jesus was referring to Himself in Matt. 16:18.

Hey Ronald,

In context here is that interaction between Jesus and Peter that you are referring to: “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Furthermore Jesus said to Peter, "You shall be called Cephas”. The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the Aramaic Kepha, which means simply “rock.”

Soooooo Jesus renamed Simon to a name that means "rock" but your theory is that Jesus was referring to himself as the rock when he said "YOU" seven times to a person he just called a "rock"???

Also I get your gist of your "Jesus is the rock that all churches are built on - not Peter". What do you make of 1 Peter 2:6 that refers to Jesus as the cornerstone? And Ephesians 2 that says the household of God; having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone?

Curious Mary

 

[BarneyFife]

Thank you Backlit. You are right....you did say "Any persecution by Protestants was just as reprehensible and wicked as that of Rome."

And then the blame game started.

You came up with two mitigating circumstances for the "reprehensible and wicked" persecutions commited by Protestants. Sooooo according to your "mitigating circumstances" it was the Catholic Churches fault that these new Protestants were being "reprehensible and wicked"!!!

Soooo riddle me this Backlit: These new Protestants were smart enough to figure out that the Catholic dogma/doctrine they were taught was heretical and completely against what Jesus/Apostles taught but these same new Protestants couldn't figure out that it wasn't OK to kill people that disagreed with them????? F A S C I N A T I N G!!!

Keeping it real....Mary

They were simply still doing part of what they were taught. The reformation has been gradual. So your theory is that change must be complete and overnight.

 

[David H.]

That 'mystery babylon' must be a religious organization is a 'teaching of men'. Scripture is clear that babylon is an economic and military superpower.

But to bring it back to the OP... if the Church in Rome is indeed some kind of imposter.. what does that leave us with? Alexandria? Constantinople? If one's community cannot trace its origins back to an apostle, clearly it is not the Church that Jesus founded...

Scripture interprets scripture, a harlot is a false religious system as is evidenced by old testament teaching on what happened to Judaism Read ezekiel 23 among the many passages that deal with the harlotry of the temple and the priestly class in Israel, and the ultimate point of what the Pharisaical leaders became at the time of Jesus. So I disagree with this statement because scripture clearly tells us what a harlot is spiritually.

The apostolic church is the foundation of the true church. The church in Rome was built upon the apostolic church, but it was slowly and methodically corrupted, beginning with Constantine. That does not mean there are not believers in the Roman church, the problem is in the hierarchy, the leadership, hence the warning to come out of her my People (Revelation 18:4) I Have said the same to those who are involved in the harlotry of Protestantism such as those involved in NAR churches or fully immersed in Calvinist ideology. It is all a form of Harlotry. Nicolaitanism is Harlotry. It is not exclusive to catholicism but is an ever present threat to the body of Christ.

Like many Catholics I believe in the Apostolic creed. I Just do not believe in the nicolaitanism of the catholic church that has produced the fruit of persecution of the saints that it has done for centuries. The desire to keep the laity uneducated and keep the Word of God out of the hands of the laity so as to maintain their power over them. This is Catholic History, and they killed those who disagree with them. Whether that disagreement is justified or not. Luther himself had no desire to break off from the church, but to reform it, but in so doing he was excommunicated. The Anabaptists, were labeled as rebaptizers and hunted down because they read the scriptures that showed baptism was something done after one converts to the faith not something done as an infant. Scripture is what taught them that, not the church.

The question for you is, can you be critical of your own church? Do you see the harlotry therein? I am more than willing to see it in my church having spoken over and over again of the complacency and textualism that the modern evangelical movement has fallen into because of its error in distinguishing between the faithful and the saints, or how Grace is used as an excuse for lasciviousness. Some here vehemently hate me for these comments the other way so I am equally as critical of them as well.

The church itself is built on the foundations the apostles laid down in the apostolic church. How one builds on that foundation is up to them, and it will be tried by fire and those who build with hay stubble and wood will be burned down, but those who build with the precious stones and the Gold tried in the fire will remain standing. My foundation is that laid down by the apostles in the word of God, not that which was laid down by men who followed. Some of those Catholic saints and founders were truly worthy, some are not. I love the writings of Augustine for example, but despise the writings of Aquinas. I do not agree with everything Augustine wrote and taught, and agree with some of the writings of Aquinas, but my faith is built on the foundation of the Apostles and the word of God. The closer we are to the apostolic church the closer we are to the way God designed the church to be. Jesus hated the nicolaitans and so do I and they are unfortunately the ones who hold authority in the church and keep the laity suckling on the breast of the mother rather than learning to eat and digest the meat of the word of God, thus thwarting the great commission, and making that something only a select group can do. We are all called to be a royal priesthood.

 

[BarneyFife]

Scripture interprets scripture, a harlot is a false religious system as is evidenced by old testament teaching on what happened to Judaism Read ezekiel 23 among the many passages that deal with the harlotry of the temple and the priestly class in Israel, and the ultimate point of what the Pharisaical leaders became at the time of Jesus. So I disagree with this statement because scripture clearly tells us what a harlot is spiritually.

The apostolic church is the foundation of the true church. The church in Rome was built upon the apostolic church, but it was slowly and methodically corrupted, beginning with Constantine. That does not mean there are not believers in the Roman church, the problem is in the hierarchy, the leadership, hence the warning to come out of her my People (Revelation 18:4) I Have said the same to those who are involved in the harlotry of Protestantism such as those involved in NAR churches or fully immersed in Calvinist ideology. It is all a form of Harlotry. Nicolaitanism is Harlotry. It is not exclusive to catholicism but is an ever present threat to the body of Christ.

Like many Catholics I believe in the Apostolic creed. I Just do not believe in the nicolaitanism of the catholic church that has produced the fruit of persecution of the saints that it has done for centuries. The desire to keep the laity uneducated and keep the Word of God out of the hands of the laity so as to maintain their power over them. This is Catholic History, and they killed those who disagree with them. Whether that disagreement is justified or not. Luther himself had no desire to break off from the church, but to reform it, but in so doing he was excommunicated. The Anabaptists, were labeled as rebaptizers and hunted down because they read the scriptures that showed baptism was something done after one converts to the faith not something done as an infant. Scripture is what taught them that, not the church.

The question for you is, can you be critical of your own church? Do you see the harlotry therein? I am more than willing to see it in my church having spoken over and over again of the complacency and textualism that the modern evangelical movement has fallen into because of its error in distinguishing between the faithful and the saints, or how Grace is used as an excuse for lasciviousness. Some here vehemently hate me for these comments the other way so I am equally as critical of them as well.

The church itself is built on the foundations the apostles laid down in the apostolic church. How one builds on that foundation is up to them, and it will be tried by fire and those who build with hay stubble and wood will be burned down, but those who build with the precious stones and the Gold tried in the fire will remain standing. My foundation is that laid down by the apostles in the word of God, not that which was laid down by men who followed. Some of those Catholic saints and founders were truly worthy, some are not. I love the writings of Augustine for example, but despise the writings of Aquinas. I do not agree with everything Augustine wrote and taught, and agree with some of the writings of Aquinas, but my faith is built on the foundation of the Apostles and the word of God. The closer we are to the apostolic church the closer we are to the way God designed the church to be. Jesus hated the nicolaitans and so do I and they are unfortunately the ones who hold authority in the church and keep the laity suckling on the breast of the mother rather than learning to eat and digest the meat of the word of God, thus thwarting the great commission, and making that something only a select group can do. We are all called to be a royal priesthood.

So, basically, you're an anti-Nicolaitan. You seem to be anxious to make that clear.