You are being a hypocrite you go completely against what it is written in Genesis 6:5-6. That is why you refuse to answer.
Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men
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You are being a hypocrite you go completely against what it is written in Genesis 6:5-6. That is why you refuse to answer.
David in NJ
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Last time i am replying because you have stepped out of the safety and blessing of Truth and you now use slander.
Your questions were answered but you refuse to accept the answers given in the Holy Scriptures.
The many Posts that bear witness to the Truth on this subject are:
Posts 591, 722, 758, 787, 790, 799, 825, 826, 828, 836, 811, 814, 825, 826, 828, 831
There are more posts from earlier on in this thread that also AGREE with Scripture = Gen ch6 , 2 Peter ch2 , Jude , Luke 20:34-36
Timtofly
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Because Adam's punishment will only last for 6 days. God does not end the world. That is why Amil are wrong. There is still the Day of the Lord after the Second Coming. God Himself as Jesus the King will rule on the earth for 1,000 years. That is the Day of the Lord.
God created the world in 6 days. He then let Humans do their own thing in sin for 6 days.
That was mentioned in the 4th Commandment. Peter told the church not to be ignorant of how time works.
Timtofly
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Read Job.
Jesus says angels don't marry. Are you saying angels have offspring out of wedlock, and sex runs rampant in heaven? Are you Muslim?
The term marrying and given in marriage, means the same thing as procreation. They did not actually marry, as they were wicked, and certainly did not obey God in the marriage act.
Read Job.
Timtofly
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Angels procreating is a made up myth. It is impossible to have baby stars.
Where in Genesis does it say the stars came to earth? The term star or angel would be used. The term Son of God is referring to humanity created on the 6th day.
God never changed creation. God never stopped or changed using the same terms throughout the entire Bible.
The reason that humans don't keep having offspring in heaven is because that task happens on earth and does not continue in heaven. Besides most of you all don't even think they have physical bodies in Paradise, even though Paul told you they do. If they are like the angels they have physical bodies. Why would beings in heaven not have a physical body? Jesus is the begotten son of God and He still has a physical body. There was a resurrection at the Cross, and they had physical bodies. Revelation 7 shows them with physical bodies, which they have had since the Cross serving God day and night in that heavenly temple.
They certainly don't procreate outside of marriage, and they don't marry nor are given in marriage.
Timtofly
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Neither were the stars. The stars were created on the 4th Day. 2 days later on the 6th day, the sons of God were created.
You do realize that 4 days after the foundation is a longer period of time than the 2 days between the stars and the sons of God.
If man was not created on the first week, then neither were angels. Both must have come a thousand years after creation week.
The sons of God were not destroyed in the Flood, who had not rebelled, just like the church is not destroyed at the Second Coming. Noah was a son of Adam, not a son of God. Noah was a sinner, not the sons of God. The offspring of the sons of God with Adam's dead corruptible flesh are the sinners. They took on Adam's dead corruptible flesh, they did not make Adam's descendants sinless. This procreation took place over a span of 500 years, at the least, and many generations later only sinners were left on the earth. Remember the sons of God could appear in council in heaven from day 1. That was not a sudden occurrence hundreds of years after the Flood in Job's day. Unless you think Job happened before the Flood?
Scripture does not say every son of God procreated with Adam's dead corruptible flesh. In fact at that point there had already been generations of sons of God, before that time. You don't say every angel sinned and came to earth. Why would you think every son of God created, on the earth, at least once in their lifetime, married a descendant of Adam? Besides marriage would not make one a sinner. Disobedience to God would. But the offspring of the daughters, or sons born in Adam's dead corruptible flesh would be under the punishment that Adam's dead corruptible flesh represented. The sons of God could not change Adam's dead corruptible flesh. But what happened is that Adam's dead corruptible flesh changed the condition of the sons of God so that each new generation became more corrupt than the one before. It is called reasoning it out, not a special revelation.
Isaiah says to reason together.
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
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Timtofly
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No, "these are the generations" means the record was going to be given in the following verses. It does not mean a record existed prior to Moses on Mt. Sinai. You think it took longer than 40 days to put all of 5 books on stone tablets? Show me any one in Scripture who had the account of Genesis prior to Moses on Mt. Sinai.
Timtofly
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Being a new creature is the restoration. In the image of Adam is the image of death. In the image of God is the image of life. The difference is between death and life.
The old dead body is not changed. There is a totally different body in the restoration process. One is a body of death, the other a body of life. One is temporal the other is permanent. One is corruptible, the other incorruptible. The soul sheds one body, and puts on the next body.
The second birth makes us a new creature. Physical death restores us into God's permanent incorruptible physical body.
I didn't use slander I said that you are being a hypocrite because you are being hypocritical because you are. That is not slander and it is also not disrespectful it is truth.
You said that I am going against the scriptures when you did the exact same thing. I'm asking you (not other people) to answer the question which you have constantly refused too.
So here it is one last time
6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Why do the verses above not mention angelic beings? It mentions people, animals, birds and the creatures on the ground but not angelic beings. Why would it not mention them if they were? Wouldn't that prove it without a doubt?
Davy
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Wow! What you said is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what that 2 Peter 2:4-5 verses say!
The "And" conjunction there in the Greek DOES connect those 2 verses together, and the ONLY angels linked with Noah's day that Peter linked there would be the "sons of God". So your argument is just SILLINESS.
Timtofly
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Pretty sure the same power that rose Jesus from the grave, birthed Jesus in the womb of Mary.
So if you deny the birth, you would have to deny Paul's testimony here, unless you are being hypocritical.
No verse claims the Holy Spirit physically entered the tomb and carried a lifeless body nor a body with life out of the tomb. Just like no verse says the Holy Spirit took on human male form and impregnated Mary.
Both were God at work, because Jesus is God at both the point of conception and the point of removing a physical body from the tomb before the stone was rolled away.
Both were miracles, because they were not how humanity naturally carries on everyday life.
Grailhunter
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Davy
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Revelation 12:7-17 has NOT happened yet bro.
Jesus hadn't come yet to die on the cross when Satan first rebelled back in the old world.
Rev 12:9-11
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
KJV
That in red links Satan being cast out after the time of Christ's Salvation, which hadn't come yet back in the old world, because Lord Jesus had to die on the cross for that Salvation to come into effect. So that's one easy way we know this casting out time is for after... Christ's death and resurrection. And since there's definite tribulation timing events linked with the 7-17 verses, it's easy to know this casting out is for the last days just prior to Christ's return.
Verse 11 should draw your attention to the saints on the 5th Seal of Rev.6 also, which definitely is about the future time of "great tribulation" when some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ by The Holy Spirit, per Mark 13.
Beware of false prophets today: one of the most common ways the false prophets in many of today's pulpits work is to pull out a single verse and apply a meaning to it that is against the flow of the Chapter. That's why keeping the section of Scripture together about a subject is important. It is why God said to do line upon line study of His Word, so as to not be snared and taken (Isaiah 28). And in this case of Rev.12, the Rev.12:7-17 all flow together and is about the end of this world based on the type of events given there.
David in NJ
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Marty, i never called you a hypocrite for saying "the Seth lineage are the sons of God".
If you claim that i am a hypocrite for believing the words of God = 2 Peter ch2, Jude , Luke ch20, then you accuse God Himself of being a liar.
What is the Holy Path you should take now? Your words, "Seth" or God's words "Gen ch6 sons of God are the angels who sinned"
Davy
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You're being SILLY, along with DENYING God's Word as written.
For you to say someone isn't following God's written Word, first YOU need to understand what God's Word actually says as written and teaches.
AND CLEARLY, YOU DO NOT KNOW.
Timtofly
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The faithful line of Seth is a myth formed into human theology.
God promised that Eve's descendant would one day be the Savior.
It had nothing to do with Seth being faithful. Seth was just another sinner in the genealogy of Jesus. Cain was not mentioned in the genealogy, and Abel was dead.
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First, they are mentioned as the Sons of God. That is a well known and understood way to speak of angels.
Second, the flood wasn't for any angels because angels cannot die that way. The angels were sent to Tartaroo in hades, while their children were killed in the flood.
Ronald Nolette
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Jesus said in heaven angels do not marry, nor do humans! But when they left their first habitation (heaven) and took on male bodies, they obviously can and did!
And as far as marriage- they did marry. for it is the act of intercourse that marries one to the other. There were no marriage ceremonies in those days.
Yes, we still live in bodies' of sin and death but we are new creatures now!
2 Corinthians 5:17
King James Version
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Ronald Nolette
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Angels are not stars! And the term angel to describe angels was not used until long after the dispersion at Babel.
And yes god has changed terms to describe things.
YOu err in your paragraph because you are too busy making false assumptions about me and others. Currently in heaven, no one has a glorified physical body. That awaits the rapture and then the first resurrection. In heaven we do not know what kind of body angels have. Though it does not speak of angels, 1 cor. 15 is an excellent primer for bodies. Angels never were physical creatures. they were desinged as spirits as Hebrews says as they are ministering SPIRITS.
All Jesus said is that in heaven angels do not have sex. It does not say that cannot, but that they don't. Once again you have to create an entire non-biblical narrative to expalin Genesis 6, while the sons of God being angels is accepted by Jew and most chrtistians as Job makes it clear they are angels.
Ronald Nolette
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Well you have that mythical interpretation that Adam was created and a group of other humans which is not borne out by the Scriptures at all.
We do not know which day god crfeated all teh three classes of spirit beings, but that when the foundations of the earth were laid, they sang for Joy!
Now you are directly contradicting Scripture to create your own pseudo-bible!
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Nowhere did these mythical "sons of God" find grace if they were human. Nor did they enter the Ark!
Genesis 7:15-22
King James Version
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Every human who di dnot enter the ark (just 8 souls) DIED! Unless of course you are reading from the bible according to Timtofly
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