Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[Marty fox]

The Truth of the matter is in Genesis chapter 6 , 2 Peter 2:4-5 , Jude 1:5-7

This is the verified account as to 'WHY' God destroyed all 'flesh' that was not in the Ark.

Fallen Angels cannot be Saved = there is no Redemption for them.

When the angels came to earth they crossed the point of no return and became part of "this age" and as such were able to procreate
"sons(male) of God with the daughters of men".

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain(spiritual realm), but left their own abode(spiritual realm), He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The offspring of this mixture cannot be Redeemed, thus the wickedness that was produced by the corrupt teaching, methods and perversion of these fallen angels mixing with mankind could not be left unrestrained by God.

When the angels became part of "this age"(Luke ch20) their offspring became part of "mankind" by mixing with "daughters of men".
A superior race of mankind that could not be Redeemed = "Men of Renown" and "Giants"
This is why only Noah and his family made it into the Ark.

Which brings us right to back to Noah's day and Revelation = "unless the LORD had shortened the days- no flesh would be saved."

Anyone who rejects the verification of 2 Peter ch2 and Jude are left with 'their own' explanation that cannot be found in scripture.

The verses that you provided in Peter and Jude have no bearing on this subject. Nothing in those verses are tied to the sons of God in Genesis. They actually go against it because Jude talks about events after the flood and Peter states that God brought judgement against people (not angelic beings) with the flood in those verses. If it was fallen angels Peter would of added them in the text of the flood.

Genesis even states that it was mankind who perished in the flood not angelic beings.

 

[Grailhunter]

It is what God expects from us = believe His every word.

What you should never do is deny His words or worse make up fables about the line of Seth becoming "sons of God".

Pay attention now along with @Grailhunter:

Have you ever considered how foolish it is to think that God does not know what He is saying to us, in His word.

Like, you know, how men never knew how to have wives after HE made a husband and wife named Adam & Eve................lol

Biblical study is not about personal options and preconceived notions.
The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with angels.
The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with bad people or bad angels.
sons of God, son of God, Son of God is associated with good and significant figures in the Bible.
But sons of God, son of God, Son of God are not associated with angels.
The Bible does not say that these sons of God were angels. The Bible does not identify exactly what they were.
The Bible really gives us very little information about the sons of God or the daughters they married.
We know that the sons of God presented themselves before God in heaven...so they are not men.
The Bible does not say that it was wrong for the sons of God to take wives, or to have children by them.
The Bible says they took them as wives....we do not know how many...over what period of time.
The Bible does not say if they stayed with their wives and raised the children,
The Bible says they married these women....God impregnated a woman that was betrothed....and did not marry her.
The Bible does not say that their offspring were giants......giants were in the land before this event and after.
There offspring were mighty men of renown.....Renown for what?....You can speculate on what they did to be known as mighty men of renown, but that all. People have speculated that their offspring came to be significant figures in the Bible.....but I am not even going go that far.

You are coming up with conclusions that are absolutely not based on the Bible or facts.
The red flag for you should have been that they have been pondering the meaning of this event for centuries and have not been able to agree on it. Why? Because there is not enough information. This is how so many false beliefs are made. People feeling like they can just fill in the blanks.

Don't get me wrong....speculation is fine....as long as you say it is speculation or a theory. But what you are doing could be considered a sin. Because you are saying your option is the Word of God. That is bad stuff.

 

[David in NJ]

The verses that you provided in Peter and Jude have no bearing on this subject. Nothing in those verses are tied to the sons of God in Genesis. They actually go against it because Jude talks about events after the flood and Peter states that God brought judgement against people (not angelic beings) with the flood in those verses. If it was fallen angels Peter would of added them in the text of the flood.

Genesis even states that it was mankind who perished in the flood not angelic beings.

Marty says: "They actually go against it because Jude talks about events after the flood....."

LOLx100 Marty

Undeniably, this was the most DENIABLE Post on the subject as yet.

 

[David in NJ]

Biblical study is not about personal options and preconceived notions.
The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with angels.
The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with bad people or bad angels.
sons of God, son of God, Son of God is associated with good and significant figures in the Bible.
But sons of God, son of God, Son of God are not associated with angels.
The Bible does not say that these sons of God were angels. The Bible does not identify exactly what they were.
The Bible really gives us very little information about the sons of God or the daughters they married.
We know that the sons of God presented themselves before God in heaven...so they are not men.
The Bible does not say that it was wrong for the sons of God to take wives, or to have children by them.
The Bible says they took them as wives....we do not know how many...over what period of time.
The Bible does not say if they stayed with their wives and raised the children,
The Bible says they married these women....God impregnated a woman that was betrothed....and did not marry her.
The Bible does not say that their offspring were giants......giants were in the land before this event and after.
There offspring were mighty men of renown.....Renown for what?....You can speculate on what they did to be known as mighty men of renown, but that all. People have speculated that their offspring came to be significant figures in the Bible.....but I am not even going go that far.

You are coming up with conclusions that are absolutely not based on the Bible or facts.
The red flag for you should have been that they have been pondering the meaning of this event for centuries and have not been able to agree on it. Why? Because there is not enough information. This is how so many false beliefs are made. People feeling like they can just fill in the blanks.

Don't get me wrong....speculation is fine....as long as you say it is speculation or a theory. But what you are doing could be considered a sin. Because you are saying your option is the Word of God. That is bad stuff.

Unbelief
Unbelief
Unbelief
Unbelief

Unbelief is not Bible study

 

[Grailhunter]

Unbelief
Unbelief
Unbelief
Unbelief

Unbelief is not Bible study

LOL story telling is not biblical knowledge

 

[David in NJ]

LOL story telling is not biblical knowledge

LOL x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

what planet do you live on???

Have you never heard of HIS-story...........lol

By the Way = JESUS told a lot of stories..........Genesis comes to mind

 

[ElieG12]

The Hebrew expression that is translated "the daughters of men" is literally "the daughters of Adam." It is obvious that the daughters of Set are also daughters of "men".

The "sons of God" created before humans ...

Job 38:4 (...) when I founded the earth (...) 7 (...) all the sons of God began shouting in applause ...

... saw human women as beautiful beings:

Gen. 6:1 Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.

... and desired to choose some as sexual partners, contrary to angelic nature.

2 Pet. 2:4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty says: "They actually go against it because Jude talks about events after the flood....."

LOLx100 Marty

Undeniably, this was the most DENIABLE Post on the subject as yet.

Why did you avoid the rest of the post about only people perished in the flood?

You reference Jude 1:5 and here is the verse

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

The people of Egypt were after the flood were they not?

 

[David in NJ]

Why did you avoid the rest of the post about only people perished in the flood?

You reference Jude 1:5 and here is the verse

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

The people of Egypt were after the flood were they not?

Marty,
Never take offense in my brotherly banter with you.

i am in a lot of pain right now so my posts are very short and quick.

Will respond later - Peace

 

[Davy]

The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with angels.
The Bible does not associate the phrase sons of God with bad people or bad angels.

Those kind of statements are the kind that the devil himself would make. (not saying you are the devil, but could you be listening to him? Yeah.)

Job 1 and Job 2 DO... associated the title "sons of God" with the angels that with Satan presented themselves in front of God's Throne in Heaven.

And already on this Thread there has been given many Bible Scriptures that prove the Old Testament mention about "sons of God" is specifically about angels.


Now the "sons of God" phrase as used in the New Testament Books is a different matter, for it is also used about those in Christ Jesus. Why? Because that idea "sons of God" is pointing to the future angelic type state of the resurrection and Salvation by Jesus Christ at His future return. And Apostle John noted we now are called the "sons of God", but we don't yet know how that will manifest, and by that is suggesting our future 'change' to our glorious body at Jesus' coming.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty,
Never take offense in my brotherly banter with you.

i am in a lot of pain right now so my posts are very short and quick.

Will respond later - Peace

Marty,
Never take offense in my brotherly banter with you.

i am in a lot of pain right now so my posts are very short and quick.

Will respond later - Peace

Thanks but no problem I didn't take any offence

 

[Grailhunter]

Job 1 and Job 2 DO... associated the title "sons of God" with the angels that with Satan presented themselves in front of God's Throne in Heaven.

And already on this Thread there has been given many Bible Scriptures that prove the Old Testament mention about "sons of God" is specifically about angels.

You got nothing! Is this how you come up with your beliefs! Really there is no telling what you believe. I wish I could say that you are alone, but this is common....it is the reason....the reason....why there are so many denominations. The Bible says one thing and people believe something else or they just add words as they go......WORDS MEAN THINGS!!!! In theology the details that are there are important and just as important are the details that are not there. Pay attention to what you are reading! There no verse in the Bible that says the sons of God were angels. If there were they would have solved this centuries ago.

 

[Truth7t7]

You got nothing! Is this how you come up with your beliefs! Really there is no telling what you believe. I wish I could say that you are alone, but this is common....it is the reason....the reason....why there are so many denominations. The Bible says one thing and people believe something else or they just add words as they go......WORDS MEAN THINGS!!!! In theology the details that are there are important and just as important are the details that are not there. Pay attention to what you are reading! There no verse in the Bible that says the sons of God were angels. If there were they would have solved this centuries ago.

The Late (Chuck Missler 1934-2018) Calvary Chapel's Prophecy Guru, put this phony teaching of the Nephilim on blast at (Koinonia House) in 1997, and its been going ever since

 

[David in NJ]

You got nothing! Is this how you come up with your beliefs! Really there is no telling what you believe. I wish I could say that you are alone, but this is common....it is the reason....the reason....why there are so many denominations. The Bible says one thing and people believe something else or they just add words as they go......WORDS MEAN THINGS!!!! In theology the details that are there are important and just as important are the details that are not there. Pay attention to what you are reading! There no verse in the Bible that says the sons of God were angels. If there were they would have solved this centuries ago.

The cry of unbelief echoes thru the halls of Denial University.......PhD in theological theory

 

[charity]

Yes true but the message is that the faithful dwindled down to just one man and it was going to end with Noah and God had to step in. That is the real message.

If the sons of God weren’t the faithful then what happened to them? Why did it come to only one man?

Think about it why did God destroy the world and only only let eight people live?

Was it because the world was so evil or did He have to save Noah to save the faithful line of Seth so that you and I are saved today?

If it was because the world was so evil then that really didn’t solve anything did it just look at all of the evil that has happed since then. If it was to preserve the faithful so that Jesus could come to establish His plan of salvation then it worked.

Let the truth of the matter be proven through what happened in history

Hello @Marty fox,

Yes true but the message is that the faithful dwindled down to just one man and it was going to end with Noah and God had to step in. That is the real message.

If the sons of God weren’t the faithful then what happened to them? Why did it come to only one man?

Think about it why did God destroy the world and only only let eight people live?

Was it because the world was so evil or did He have to save Noah to save the faithful line of Seth so that you and I are saved today?

If it was because the world was so evil then that really didn’t solve anything did it just look at all of the evil that has happed since then. If it was to preserve the faithful so that Jesus could come to establish His plan of salvation then it worked.

Let the truth of the matter be proven through what happened in history

Subject heading:- 'Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men?'

Hello @Marty fox,

Thank you for responding, I am not able to respond to what you have said at present, but hope to return: yet, with respect, your response does not answer the question under discussion?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Grailhunter]

The cry of unbelief echoes thru the halls of Denial University.......PhD in theological theory

Faith really does not have nothing to do with people that spread false beliefs.
Wikipedia will show you the different theories by different people over the years.....no agreement.

Sons of God - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Marty fox]

Hello @Marty fox,


Subject heading:- 'Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men?'

Hello @Marty fox,

Thank you for responding, I am not able to respond to what you have said at present, but hope to return: yet, with respect, your response does not answer the question under discussion?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I did write the OP thus that answered the question.

Gensis states more than once that God judged the unfaithful people with the flood not that God judged the unfaithful people and angelic beings.

 

[David in NJ]

Faith really does not have nothing to do with people that spread false beliefs.
Wikipedia will show you the different theories by different people over the years.....no agreement.

Sons of God - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Faith is required by God
and it begins in believing His words

i believe God's words
most people do not

PhD is not required
PhD is a stumbling block for the overwhelming majority

God requires Faith = in His Word
God is not impressed by man's intellectual achievements
He never was
He never will be
Faith pleases God

 

[David in NJ]

I did write the OP thus that answered the question.

Gensis states more than once that God judged the unfaithful people with the flood not that God judged the unfaithful people and angelic beings.

Why did you avoid the rest of the post about only people perished in the flood?

You reference Jude 1:5 and here is the verse

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

The people of Egypt were after the flood were they not?

Marty let's take a look at Jude which is the verification of the angels of Gen ch6

v5 - But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

v5 is Key to the understanding and is simple, one sentence, truth of what God did and to whom.

a.) saved people (all who obeyed the Passover)

b.) Passover - they came out of Egypt and slavery

c.) afterward - after they left Egypt, crossed the Red Sea and came to wait at the base of the Mountain where the Moses went up to meet the LORD.

d.) afterward - some did not believe and they fell back into sexual immorality and God destroyed them = Exodus ch32

This is the Picture we are to SEE of God's Judgment upon the people who came out of Egypt and corrupted themselves with sexual immorality and thus were destroyed by God's anger.


v6 begins with "And" connects v6 to v5

v6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Angels had a domain ordered by God which they could not leave, just as the people who came out of Egypt.

What did these angels do when they left their "proper domain"?

Answer = v7

v7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The angels who left there domain against the will of God "came into the daughters of men" = "strange flesh"
just as Sodom and Gomorrah violated God's Ordination of Male to Female marriage and committed homosexuality, beastiality, rapes, orgies and more.

ALL three Groups committed sexual immorality of such degree that God Judged them as an example for us to FEAR.

1st Group - People who came out of Egypt committed sexual immorality = left the domain of purity in the Lord

2nd Group - Angels who left their proper domain and came into the daughters of men = left their Ordered Domain from the Lord

3rd Group - Sodom and Gomorrah = committed all kinds of sexual perversion = left the domain of purity before God

These 3 Groups are combined into one uniform message of WARNING in one uninterupted passage of Truth.

 

[Grailhunter]

Faith is required by God
and it begins in believing His words

His word not you saying it is in the Bible.

i believe God's words
most people do not

I disagree, most people do believe or are trying to believe.
But it is people like you that cause confusion.
You do not represent the Word of God.
As before I have asked you to produce the Word of God saying that the sons of God were angels and you have not and cannot because it is not there.
Saying people do not have faith unless they believe you....is a deception....and a ploy used by cult leaders.