Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[Ronald Nolette]

Where in Scripture did Noah write down the history of life prior to the Flood?

Why are you dissing God's record given to Moses?

Show me where Moses divinely was given the account of Noah. but if you knew Hebrew at all you would know that "these are the generations" means it was a written record.

 

[Truth7t7]

Angels can procreate or could in the past.

False, your claim is found in Greek Mythology

 

[Truth7t7]

angels are fallen sons of God

You falsely suggest "Fallen Angels" are the sons of God, your claim is contrary to scripture, sad part is you will continue in the folly

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"Becoming" is the same thing as being restored to Adam's condition prior to Adam's disobedience. We are restored sons of God, back to the state prior to death.

Not according to the word "become" (ginomai).

Now we are a new creature. We were boprn children of wratrh and have to become the sons of God.

 

[ewq1938]

What is "obvious" by her pregnancy? She was sleeping with a man other than Joseph. You and I both know this to be untrue. We believe the scriptures. We both believe that Mary was innocent of adultery and that she slept with no other man. But if we were restricted to what is "obvious" we would be compelled to conclude a story other than what is recorded in the gospels.

But you don't acceopt what the gospels say about Jesus being the actual son of God the Father. Multiple scriptures attest to this fact. The bible does not support your version that Jesus is one of many son's of God. He is a unique, one of a kind kind of Son, begotten by God, and the only child God has begotten.

 

[CadyandZoe]

We can say that she conceived God's child.....Son....and that is a miracle because God manifested as a man and procreated with a woman.
But a male seed fertilizing a female egg is mostly along the norm.
But still the scriptures do not say....
miraculous impregnation...
miraculous conception....
miraculous procreation...

Yes, it does say that. What I don't get is why you don't see it.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, it does say that. What I don't get is why you don't see it.

Well show me the scripture with the word miraculous in it. LOL
Beliefs, Truths, Facts. The reason that there are thousands of denominations is because people can believe anything they want.
They can deny that Christ is God and the Son of God.
They can believe Christ is a flying saucer pilot.
It is pretty much now a days, whatever floats ya boat.

 

[CadyandZoe]

But you don't acceopt what the gospels say about Jesus being the actual son of God the Father. Multiple scriptures attest to this fact. The bible does not support your version that Jesus is one of many son's of God. He is a unique, one of a kind kind of Son, begotten by God, and the only child God has begotten.

I don't accept YOUR interpretation that God the Father was the male parent of Jesus.
First of all, the gospels, reveal that "the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 1:20 According to your logic, this would make the Holy Spirit the "male" offspring of Jesus, not God the Father.

Second, while Jesus' birth narrative makes him unique, this is not why John referred to Jesus as the "monogenes" son. The term "son" refers to God's word that he would provide David an offspring that would rule on his throne forever. Jesus is the unique son because God the father has made it possible for Jesus to literally fulfill the Davidic Covenant. Thus, descent from David is an important qualification for the Messiah.

I am taking my cues from Paul's epistle to the Romans. In his opening paragraph, Paul asserts his belief that Jesus is the son whom the prophets predicted. Paul asserts that Jesus is "his son" on the basis that Jesus is both qualified "according to the flesh" and he is qualified according to the Spirit of Holiness. In the following paragraph we come to understand that Jesus is qualified to be the Messiah on two counts.

Romans 1:1-6

Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;​

Qualifications:
1. born of a descendant of David
2. declared "the Son of God" with power by the resurrection from the dead.

Jesus is a "Son" by virtue of the fact that he is a son of David: he was born a descendant of David. But this can be said of all the kings of Israel, starting with Solomon. What made Jesus a unique son, was the Father's declaration: "This is my son" with power by the resurrection from the dead. It's the power of an immortal life that qualifies Jesus to sit on the throne of David forever.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, it does say that. What I don't get is why you don't see it.

Hebrews ch1

For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

6But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

 

[David in NJ]

I don't accept YOUR interpretation that God the Father was the male parent of Jesus.
First of all, the gospels, reveal that "the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 1:20 According to your logic, this would make the Holy Spirit the "male" offspring of Jesus, not God the Father.

Second, while Jesus' birth narrative makes him unique, this is not why John referred to Jesus as the "monogenes" son. The term "son" refers to God's word that he would provide David an offspring that would rule on his throne forever. Jesus is the unique son because God the father has made it possible for Jesus to literally fulfill the Davidic Covenant. Thus, descent from David is an important qualification for the Messiah.

I am taking my cues from Paul's epistle to the Romans. In his opening paragraph, Paul asserts his belief that Jesus is the son whom the prophets predicted. Paul asserts that Jesus is "his son" on the basis that Jesus is both qualified "according to the flesh" and he is qualified according to the Spirit of Holiness. In the following paragraph we come to understand that Jesus is qualified to be the Messiah on two counts.

Romans 1:1-6

Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;​

Qualifications:
1. born of a descendant of David
2. declared "the Son of God" with power by the resurrection from the dead.

Jesus is a "Son" by virtue of the fact that he is a son of David: he was born a descendant of David. But this can be said of all the kings of Israel, starting with Solomon. What made Jesus a unique son, was the Father's declaration: "This is my son" with power by the resurrection from the dead. It's the power of an immortal life that qualifies Jesus to sit on the throne of David forever.

SEE Post #749

Align your mind with the Mind of Christ = "the WORD that was God' = "the WORD that became flesh and dwelt among us"

 

[CadyandZoe]

Well show me the scripture with the word miraculous in it. LOL
Beliefs, Truths, Facts. The reason that there are thousands of denominations is because people can believe anything they want.

Do you include yourself in that?

They can deny that Christ is God and the Son of God.
They can believe Christ is a flying saucer pilot.
It is pretty much now a days, whatever floats ya boat.

Why do you want to divert my attention away from the subject at hand?

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Do you actually need to read the word "miracle" before you will accept that the antecedent cause isn't natural?

The record of the wedding at Cana, doesn't explicitly say "miracle", even though a fair reading of the account compels the reader to accept the fact that Jesus turned the water into wine. The antecedent cause wasn't natural; it was supernatural.

According to the Gospels, Mary had a child by the Holy Spirit, not by natural means. You don't call THAT a miracle?

 

[CadyandZoe]

SEE Post #749

Align your mind with the Mind of Christ = "the WORD that was God' = "the WORD that became flesh and dwelt among us"

I don't understand your critique. What did I say that would lead you to conclude that I wasn't aligning my mind with the Mind of Christ?

 

[David in NJ]

I don't understand your critique. What did I say that would lead you to conclude that I wasn't aligning my mind with the Mind of Christ?

By your own words = "Jesus is a unique son of God"

This is contrary to the WORD that was God = the Same WORD that became flesh and dwelt among us = Gospel of John ch1

In order for you(or any of us) to please God, our minds must agree with His WORD - Hebrews ch1

Hebrews ch1
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

6But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you include yourself in that?

I go for truth...ergo The Johnny Appleseed of Truth.
Beliefs can be truths to a person....what I do is base my truths on facts....LOL....when available.

Why do you want to divert my attention away from the subject at hand?

Save your soul!

Do you actually need to read the word "miracle" before you will accept that the antecedent cause isn't natural?

The word is easier and if anybody thought back then that it was miraculous, it would have been easy to describe it that way.
The whole New Testament is about the Son of God born of a women.....so it is on their minds.
And like you were talking....God spoke a Word....that would work too....Like....God the Father looked down from heaven at Miriam and spoke the Word and she became pregnant.....that would work! And Christ would be called the Son of the Word!

But instead the scriptures use the nomenclature associated with procreation.

I know how much you want to add to that description.....write it in your Bible....it is already in your mind.

 

[Grailhunter]

The record of the wedding at Cana, doesn't explicitly say "miracle", even though a fair reading of the account compels the reader to accept the fact that Jesus turned the water into wine. The antecedent cause wasn't natural; it was supernatural.

But it actual describes instantly changing the water into wine .....not setting it up for fermentation.

According to the Gospels, Mary had a child by the Holy Spirit, not by natural means. You don't call THAT a miracle?

I have already stipulated that God was involved. But the scripture do not say caused her to conceive....it says

Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.'

And somebody believed it.....

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of the Father, and will come again to judge the living and the dead.
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit?

 

[CadyandZoe]

By your own words = "Jesus is a unique son of God"

This is contrary to the WORD that was God = the Same WORD that became flesh and dwelt among us = Gospel of John ch1

How is it contrary?

 

[David in NJ]

What do you see here?

Turn to Me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth;
for I am God,
and there is no other.
23By Myself I have sworn;
truth has gone out from My mouth,
a word that will not be revoked:
Every knee will bow before Me,
every tongue will swear allegiance. - Isaiah 45

 

[charity]

Thanks for your post but yes it is in contrast because its not all of man kind it’s taking about in the text it’s the faithful in contrast to the unfaithful.

It was the faithful who conformed to the unfaithful how else could the faithful come down to just one man Noah?

Thus the reason that God destroyed the world in the past will be the same reason God will destroy the world in the future when the faithful conform and the gospel stops spreading.

If not then why would God end the world if the gospel was still spreading?

Hello @Marty fox,

The context is not concerning faithfulness: if we would be true to God's word, we must apply ourselves to what is actually written.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Marty fox]

Hello @Marty fox,

The context is not concerning faithfulness: if we would be true to God's word, we must apply ourselves to what is actually written.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Yes true but the message is that the faithful dwindled down to just one man and it was going to end with Noah and God had to step in. That is the real message.

If the sons of God weren’t the faithful then what happened to them? Why did it come to only one man?

Think about it why did God destroy the world and only only let eight people live?

Was it because the world was so evil or did He have to save Noah to save the faithful line of Seth so that you and I are saved today?

If it was because the world was so evil then that really didn’t solve anything did it just look at all of the evil that has happed since then. If it was to preserve the faithful so that Jesus could come to establish His plan of salvation then it worked.

Let the truth of the matter be proven through what happened in history

 

[David in NJ]

Yes true but the message is that the faithful dwindled down to just one man and it was going to end with Noah and God had to step in. That is the real message.

If the sons of God weren’t the faithful then what happened to them? Why did it come to only one man?

Think about it why did God destroy the world and only only let eight people live?

Was it because the world was so evil or did He have to save Noah to save the faithful line of Seth so that you and I are saved today?

If it was because the world was so evil then that really didn’t solve anything did it just look at all of the evil that has happed since then. If it was to preserve the faithful so that Jesus could come to establish His plan of salvation then it worked.

Let the truth of the matter be proven through what happened in history

The Truth of the matter is in Genesis chapter 6 , 2 Peter 2:4-5 , Jude 1:5-7

This is the verified account as to 'WHY' God destroyed all 'flesh' that was not in the Ark.

Fallen Angels cannot be Saved = there is no Redemption for them.

When the angels came to earth they crossed the point of no return and became part of "this age" and as such were able to procreate
"sons(male) of God with the daughters of men".

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain(spiritual realm), but left their own abode(spiritual realm), He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The offspring of this mixture cannot be Redeemed, thus the wickedness that was produced by the corrupt teaching, methods and perversion of these fallen angels mixing with mankind could not be left unrestrained by God.

When the angels became part of "this age"(Luke ch20) their offspring became part of "mankind" by mixing with "daughters of men".
A superior race of mankind that could not be Redeemed = "Men of Renown" and "Giants"
This is why only Noah and his family made it into the Ark.

Which brings us right to back to Noah's day and Revelation = "unless the LORD had shortened the days- no flesh would be saved."

Anyone who rejects the verification of 2 Peter ch2 and Jude are left with 'their own' explanation that cannot be found in scripture.