Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[CadyandZoe]

Wow, the ignorance displayed in this thread is astonishing.

Christians have no problem in the world believing that Jesus, the SON OF GOD, entered the womb of Mary to incarnate.

And yet...

They refuse to believe that the Sons of God in Genesis were capable of doing the same.

Unreal.

I don't think any Christians believe that.

 

[Truther]

Wow, the ignorance displayed in this thread is astonishing.

Christians have no problem in the world believing that Jesus, the SON OF GOD, entered the womb of Mary to incarnate.

And yet...

They refuse to believe that the Sons of God in Genesis were capable of doing the same.

Unreal.

Jesus turned into a microscopic cell to mate with Mary's egg and become a divine human?

 

[ewq1938]

David fought "Goliath the Giant", and his origin was in the lineage of Noah, where all human beings come from, Bible 101

Angels don't maintain human sperm, nor do they marry taking wives upon earth as the Sons of God did below

ewq1938 wake up, you have been having a bad dream again, must have been the Sci-Fi movies you been watching

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Nothing in this post disputes anything I or the bible has stated.

 

[ewq1938]

If the sons of God were angels, then Paul's argument in Hebrews is defeated.

They are angels and nothing defeats a writer of scripture.

 

[CadyandZoe]

They are angels and nothing defeats a writer of scripture.

Well, since nothing can defeat Paul's argument in Hebrews, and since Paul declared that God never referred to an angel as "son" then the sons of God were NOT angels.

 

[QuantumBit]

Jesus turned into a microscopic cell to mate with Mary's egg and become a divine human?

You are very close to the Truth. The Ovum was already there. The Seed was Genetically Engineered via the Holy Ghost...

Matthew 1:20
"But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

This may sound like a joke, but it is precisely what the Bible teaches. Christians have no idea since they really do not take the time to study things in depth... as can be seen in this thread.

There are folks out there that have done much research into this subject and have discovered quite a lot the last few decades.

To put it in Biblical perspective, the Tabernacles and Temples represent the Zygote. The High Priest represents the Male Seed that enters on the Day of Atonement to sprinkle the Blood, that is to say, to fertilize the Egg...

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We are the Body Temple and we started life as a Single Cell Zygote. That is what the Bible has been trying to get across to everyone for thousands of years now.

The Sons of God knew how to place their Spirit into the Ovum of the Daughters of Men in a similar manner as Jesus did. The difference is that the Sons of God chose to alter the Melchizedek DNA Code and try to become 'Gods'. Obviously, that was a huge violation of Protocol.

That is why the Sons of God were *FALLEN* Angels. Folks here keep saying they were Angels... NO!

Angel: *DOES NOT HAVE* reproductive organs
Fallen Angel: *DOES HAVE* reproductive organs

The fact that people are debating this just goes to show the Gender Confusion that has now crept into Christianity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The sons of God were humans who still trusted and obeyed God. The daughters of men were daughters of unbelievers. Such as today. Paul said be not equally yoke with unbelievers. Thats all Genesis isaying.

Not at all. Four times angels in the OT are called the sons of God. there is no warrant or reason for not concluding the same here. And is the sons of God were trusting and obeying- why would they marry unbelievi9ng women? That makes them disobedient and untrusting!

You are adding an opinion commentary here. all the word says is the sons of God and the daughters of mankind! And how would once obedient, now disobedient sons of God if they were just men, produce the titans and men of renown and the gibborim!

All mythology has a germ of truth and what this may have been the start of is the myths of the gods and demigods.

The angels who were the ones who came down and had sex with human women, and produced the demi gods of myth like Hercules, Thor, Icarus, Achilles et. al. The true account most likely became corrupted after the nations dispersed at the tower of Babel and people no longer had access to teh people God chose to bear the truth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, since nothing can defeat Paul's argument in Hebrews, and since Paul declared that God never referred to an angel as "son" then the sons of God were NOT angels.

God most definitely referred to angels as sons of God!

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

1. Genesis 6:2
   That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
   
   
2. Genesis 6:4
   There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

No reason to call teh angels men in Gen. 6

 

[CadyandZoe]

God most definitely referred to angels as sons of God!

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Where in the text does it say the sons of God were angels?

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Again, nothing in the text says these were angels.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Again, nothing about angels.

1. Genesis 6:2
   That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
   
   
2. Genesis 6:4
   There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

No reason to call teh angels men in Gen. 6

Genesis six refers to a contrast between royalty, and common people. The sons of God are human kings; the daughters of men are human subjects. Refer to Psalm 82 for instance.

Also, I take note of the parallelism in Psalm 58:

Psalm 58:
Do you indeed speak righteousness, you gods?
Do you judge fairly, you sons of mankind?

In this context, the term "you gods" is parallel and equal to the term "you sons of mankind." According to ancient cultures, kings were called "gods" or "sons of god" and those who are not royalty are called "men". In any case, they are both human beings, one is a king, while the other is his servant.

In the Psalm above, David refers to the rulers as "gods" and at the same time, he also refers to them as "sons of mankind" as an insult. David is speaking about royal men who practice injustice, acting as if they are common street folk.

When it says that the sons of God took wives from among the daughters of men, it literally means that kings took wives from among the common folk. What was wrong with that? Wrong criteria.

The kings were choosing common women because they were beautiful, rather than say, women who were educated, wise, upright, loyal, chaste, courageous, modest, generous, diligent, responsible, or honest.

 

[Truth7t7]

God most definitely referred to angels as sons of God!

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

1. Genesis 6:2
   That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
   
   
2. Genesis 6:4
   There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

No reason to call teh angels men in Gen. 6

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[ewq1938]

Well, since nothing can defeat Paul's argument in Hebrews, and since Paul declared that God never referred to an angel as "son" then the sons of God were NOT angels.

No angel is God's own son ie: only Jesus is the Son of the Father. The sons of God are angelic beings in the OT.

 

[Truth7t7]

No angel is God's own son ie: only Jesus is the Son of the Father. The sons of God are angelic beings in the OT.

Angels don't maintain human sperm, nor do they marry taking wives upon earth as the Sons of God did below

ewq1938 wake up, you have been having a bad dream again, must have been the Sci-Fi movies you been watching

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No angel is God's own son ie: only Jesus is the Son of the Father. The sons of God are angelic beings in the OT.

Jesus is not the only son of the father. All kings of Israel were sons of the father. Jesus is unique because God has declared Jesus to be his "monogenes" son: his unique, one of a kind son. God never referred to an Angel as "son."

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus is not the only son of the father. All kings of Israel were sons of the father. Jesus is unique because God has declared Jesus to be his "monogenes" son: his unique, one of a kind son.

That's what I spoke of. This also denies your claim that Paul said no angel can be a son since it specifically says no angel was a begotten son.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

God never referred to an Angel as "son."

He did in the OT. Every reference of "Sons of God" are angels.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That's what I spoke of. This also denies your claim that Paul said no angel can be a son since it specifically says no angel was a begotten son.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?





He did in the OT. Every reference of "Sons of God" are angels.

I'm not saying that no angel can be a son. Paul argues that no angel ever was a son. All of the kings of Israel were begotten sons.

 

[Waiting on him]

That's what I spoke of. This also denies your claim that Paul said no angel can be a son since it specifically says no angel was a begotten son.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?





He did in the OT. Every reference of "Sons of God" are angels.

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
[13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? [14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
The angels in this text are the sons of God.

Paul himself said he was a minister.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Genesis six refers to a contrast between royalty, and common people. The sons of God are human kings; the daughters of men are human subjects. Refer to Psalm 82 for instance.

Now if you can just show them from Scripture.

But as for sons of God appearing before the Lord in Job, are you suggesting they were earthly kings?

In this context, the term "you gods" is parallel and equal to the term "you sons of mankind." According to ancient cultures, kings were called "gods" or "sons of god" and those who are not royalty are called "men". In any case, they are both human beings, one is a king, while the other is his servant.

Can you cite me a source that says ancient cultures said that? or are you just spitballing.

The kings were choosing common women because they were beautiful, rather than say, women who were educated, wise, upright, loyal, chaste, courageous, modest, generous, diligent, responsible, or honest.

So you are suggesting noble women were all ugly and they could not find one pretty woman in all the noble woman?

Who were the titans? and the mighty men and the men of renown that this noble/common intercourse produced?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Now if you can just show them from Scripture.

But as for sons of God appearing before the Lord in Job, are you suggesting they were earthly kings?

Yes.

Can you cite me a source that says ancient cultures said that? or are you just spitballing.

I thought it was fairly well known.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not saying that no angel can be a son. Paul argues that no angel ever was a son.

That is not what Paul said. I already showed what he actually said.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That is not what Paul said. I already showed what he actually said.

But what you said doesn't show what you think it does.