Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[Timtofly]

Sons of God in the OT is ONLY for angels, not humans. Two humans cannot produce a giant.

Two angels cannot produce a giant either. An angel and a human cannot produce a giant. Those created on the 6th day were giants compared to Adam's dead corruptible physical bodies. Adam was a giant, but he literally died just as God said. His soul went from a body that was permanent and incorruptible and obviously a larger physical body, to a fallen, corruptible temporal body, that was smaller than his original body. Those giants were created by God. Those giants were the sons of God, humans that passed on such genetic traits in the 4 woman onboard the ark. Eve is the mother of all the sinners that ever lived. Eve was not the mother of those giants created on day 6, those humans referred to as the sons of God.

People claim Lamech went around bragging he killed a human. Adam went around bragging that he and Eve were the ones who brought sin and death into the world, immediately after God punished him. Adam was not declaring Eve and Adam were the only two humans created on the 6th Day. Eve was not created out of dust, but taken out of Adam. Certainly it did not happen on the 6th Day. The sons of God happened on the 6th Day. Obviously hundreds of years before Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden.

 

[Timtofly]

Angels are physical beings. Everything about them in the bible tells us this. There is nothing in the bible that says they are bodiless, and then somehow change into human like form.

Hebrews 13:1

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

Surely Lot followed this verse to a "t". If he had not, he would have missed the opportunity to escape destruction. The point is they appear as "strangers". They are given a form to allow them to "blend in". You think if they were giants, they would stick out like a sore thumb, and tower over people giving themselves away.

What is more believable? They shrink down to look like normal humans, or they simply appear in human form? Their natural form allows them to be the lights in the sky. That is not a terrestrial physical body. That is a celestial physical body of light, flaming air - fire and gas. Literally the stars. They are not naturally physical beings walking among the stars. They are the stars.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no available evidence that a angel (a non physical being) can have physical sex with a physical human. That wouldn't have been allowed by God.

And there are about 4 human gaint species mentioned in scripture.

all angels, humans, stars and what ever are sons of God that isn't a title only of angels.

Well there is nothing saying that God wouldn't allow it. that is a human conclusion.

Angels take on male human forms when they come to earth!

Bene-elohim always referred to angels.

There is only one giant group in Scripture- Nephilim- an d that is a poor translation based on the Septuagint writers replacing nephilim with titanus in the greek.

In the OT only angels were given the title bene-elohim. It occurs exactly four times! You have to show why the other three occasions there is no confusing them- they are angels. so why would God muddy the waters here.

The line of Seth is the standard hypothesis. But how would they be godly if they married daughters who were disobedient?

Genesis 6
King James Version

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Are you trying to say that the sons of God are not men? Because men is generic and means humans! That would mean if you follow the line of Seth argument- Seths descendants were not men! According to the simple clear teaching of the bible.

The giants (nephilim--watchers) were already in the land. whether they were the product of the sons of God and daughters of mankind is unknown.


BUT the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of mankind were the gibborim and the Sems.

 

[ewq1938]

Angels take on male human forms when they come to earth!

There is no evidence of this so called "take on" transformation. Angels are the same in heaven as they are on the Earth, no change at all.

 

[BeyondET]

Well there is nothing saying that God wouldn't allow it. that is a human conclusion.

Angels take on male human forms when they come to earth!

Bene-elohim always referred to angels.

There is only one giant group in Scripture- Nephilim- an d that is a poor translation based on the Septuagint writers replacing nephilim with titanus in the greek.

In the OT only angels were given the title bene-elohim. It occurs exactly four times! You have to show why the other three occasions there is no confusing them- they are angels. so why would God muddy the waters here.

The line of Seth is the standard hypothesis. But how would they be godly if they married daughters who were disobedient?

Genesis 6
King James Version

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Are you trying to say that the sons of God are not men? Because men is generic and means humans! That would mean if you follow the line of Seth argument- Seths descendants were not men! According to the simple clear teaching of the bible.

The giants (nephilim--watchers) were already in the land. whether they were the product of the sons of God and daughters of mankind is unknown.


BUT the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of mankind were the gibborim and the Sems.

There was a race of giants here are few more Anakims Emims

Numbers 13
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

DEUTERONOMY 1
28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

DEUTERONOMY 2
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

 

[BeyondET]

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[Ronald Nolette]

There is no evidence of this so called "take on" transformation. Angels are the same in heaven as they are on the Earth, no change at all.

Wrong!

Genesis 18
King James Version

18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,


20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.

Genesis 19
King James Version

19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.

Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There was a race of giants here are few more Anakims Emims

Numbers 13
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

DEUTERONOMY 1
28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

DEUTERONOMY 2
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

Once again Nephilim does not mean giant or very tall. the giants of Gen. 6 were the nephilim and these mean noble, skillful or excellent. The history of the times also call them the watchers. Tallness is more incorrect than correct. that doesn't mean that they weren't very tall. But not based on being a Nephilim.

 

[ewq1938]

Wrong!

Clearly I am not wrong since you failed to show angels changing into human bodies.

 

[ewq1938]

Once again Nephilim does not mean giant or very tall. the giants of Gen. 6 were the nephilim and these mean noble, skillful or excellent.

That's not what a concordance says:

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's not what a concordance says:

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

concordance gives a little bite of a word. go to blue letter bible and look at the genesius commentary of the word. But even in this definition you see its primary is feller, bully, tyrant.

Once giant came about as a result of the writers of the Septuagint using the greek word titanus for nephilim. It was the best greek word at the time.

Clearly I am not wrong since you failed to show angels changing into human bodies.

Well if you are looking for a phrase like, "angles change to look like men"., then no it does not appear.

But the fact they are called men, look and act like men and we can entertain them by entertaining strangers (that does mean human) shows they become men.

 

[ewq1938]

But the fact they are called men, look and act like men and we can entertain them by entertaining strangers (that does mean human) shows they become men.

No, it doesn't. There is nothing in the bible about angels changing to look human or take human like bodies. It's made up fiction. Angels already look human, but have bodies that are stronger than human flesh but the design and appearance is identical.

 

[BeyondET]

Once again Nephilim does not mean giant or very tall. the giants of Gen. 6 were the nephilim and these mean noble, skillful or excellent. The history of the times also call them the watchers. Tallness is more incorrect than correct. that doesn't mean that they weren't very tall. But not based on being a Nephilim.

Giant didn't means giant now I don't know what you mean by that, what height or bases is known about the Nephilim in scripture?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it doesn't. There is nothing in the bible about angels changing to look human or take human like bodies. It's made up fiction. Angels already look human, but have bodies that are stronger than human flesh but the design and appearance is identical.

so you have been to heaven to verify this? Your conclusion is not in the bible.

I just go by what Scripture says.

It says to entertain strangers for we could enertain angels unawares.

Angles are glorious in appearance according to sCripture.

and Teh four times the term bene-elohim occurs in the OT refer to angels.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Giant didn't means giant now I don't know what you mean by that, what height or bases is known about the Nephilim in scripture?

YOu are confusing what I said. Teh term giant is the english translation of the greek word written by the authors of the Gree Spetuagint--Titanus, which was a translation of the Hebrew Word --Nephil.

Now if you do not understand translationg from one language to another, many times there is no exact word in the new language to describe the original word. In this case Nephilim (plural of nephil) Which is why in a concordance you will see several different words to define it. In this case, tyrant, bully, giant. Giant is the least preferred translation.

Teh Nephilim were also known as the Watchers in there book of Enoch, but as that is not a canonized book, it must be understood with a caution.

 

[Timtofly]

Teh Nephilim were also known as the Watchers in there book of Enoch, but as that is not a canonized book, it must be understood with a caution.

How do you get "watcher" out of "bully" or "tyrant"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How do you get "watcher" out of "bully" or "tyrant"?

If you read my answer you would have seen that I was referring to another name for the Nephilim. but even the sparse basic defining of the word in a concordance fits with teh fact that these offspring were faR DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL MEN.

tHEY WERE MIGHTY, VALIANT AND FAMOUS IN THEIR DAY.

I am convinced that the ancient pagan myths of the gods (the bene-elohim who had sex with human woman) produced a hybrid race that became known as trhe demigods. legends like hercules, Icarus, apollos etc. Half human half god and all bullies to men. I also believe these were born some time after teh dispersion at Babel. It follows the fact that facts get distorted over time and going from place to place. so the angles leaving their first estate and leaving their habitation and having sex with daughters of mankind were the gods, and their offspring were the demi-gods.

As MKoses was the editor of Genesis, and raised in Egyptian lore, he would have been very familiar with Egyptian gods and demi-gods.

 

[Timtofly]

If you read my answer you would have seen that I was referring to another name for the Nephilim. but even the sparse basic defining of the word in a concordance fits with teh fact that these offspring were faR DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL MEN.

tHEY WERE MIGHTY, VALIANT AND FAMOUS IN THEIR DAY.

I am convinced that the ancient pagan myths of the gods (the bene-elohim who had sex with human woman) produced a hybrid race that became known as trhe demigods. legends like hercules, Icarus, apollos etc. Half human half god and all bullies to men. I also believe these were born some time after teh dispersion at Babel. It follows the fact that facts get distorted over time and going from place to place. so the angles leaving their first estate and leaving their habitation and having sex with daughters of mankind were the gods, and their offspring were the demi-gods.

As MKoses was the editor of Genesis, and raised in Egyptian lore, he would have been very familiar with Egyptian gods and demi-gods.

Too much pagan and Satan's mythology for me, and you call my post fiction. No wonder, you buy into human understanding instead of God's Word.

Of course Satan has a counterfeit explanation behind all the religions of men. Now you want to include Satan's rebel angels as the source for this propaganda from Satan?

The sons of God were created on the 6th Day. They were giants compared to us. Sounds like they and the angels got together, but not for procreation. They sang songs and shouted for joy. Sounds like a musical competition get together. Wonder how the special effects looked like with lightning and thunder.

 

[EloyCraft]

A culture built on polygamy is inherently competitive and violent. Human life in a world like that would naturally manifest males that grow larger and more powerful since social status is determined by the physical dominance of males over other males. Also the manifestation of females who seek to breed with the most powerful males they can.

The genetics of the primordial age of giants is inherent to the polygamous culture described in Genesis by Lamech son of Cain.
The genetic relics of the age of giants were evident in the offspring of Noah.
The sons of God (Noah being the last) seduced by the polygamous daughters of Cain.

 

[Taken]

Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men.
^OP

~sons of God are Gods created beings, created and made holy, that which maintain their faithful allegiance and obedience to God.
~daughters of men are Gods Female formed body’s, procreated of an Earthly creatures corrupt seed, having fallen from being created and made very good.

Holy created and made beings often were and are sent down from their Heavenly Estate, TO Serve mankind on Earth, according to Gods Holy “WAY”.

When such “created and made holy beings” FAIL to maintain their “holiness”; They lose their “status” of “holiness”, AND lose their “heavenly estate”.

They did not lose their “title”, “sons of God”.
They did lose their “description”, “holy sons of God”.