WHICH MAN WILL SUFFER LOSS?

[GodsGrace]

1 Corinthians 3:15 states that a man's work will be burned up but he will be saved,,,
though as through fire.

Who is verse 15 speaking of?

1 Corinthians 3:4-15
4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men?
5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one.
6I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
7So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.
8Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.
14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[Taken]

WHICH MAN WILL SUFFER LOSS?​

A man whose works do not Glorify God.

He suffers a loss of rewards he could have had….IF….he had done works that Glorify God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

WHICH MAN WILL SUFFER LOSS?​

A man whose works do not Glorify God.

He suffers a loss of rewards he could have had….IF….he had done works that Glorify God.

Glory to God,
Taken

OK
But where does it state a loss of rewards?
I understand it to mean that the person will make heaven...
BUT JUST BARELY....

1 Cor 3:15
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

And what works would not glorify God?

 

[Hey You!]

1 Corinthians 3:15 states that a man's work will be burned up but he will be saved,,,
though as through fire.

Who is verse 15 speaking of?

1 Corinthians 3:4-15
4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men?
5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one.
6I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
7So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.
8Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.
14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

The Verse refers to the Christian who is Saved by Grace through Faith apart from Works. Perhaps the best example of this would be the Theif on the Cross who Believed in the end but could not Work...

These Works are the Fruit of a Born Again Christian. They are Good Works and bad works that go to our Reward; not to our Justification. Our Justification is only by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone. This is why we can still enter into Heaven, though be it without Reward...

 

[Taken]

OK
But where does it state a loss of rewards?
I understand it to mean that the person will make heaven...
BUT JUST BARELY....

1 Cor 3:15
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

And what works would not glorify God?

A reward is something given in recognition of one's service, effort, or achievement.

When a person receives a reward from another person, they are being accredited and have received their reward.

When a person serves God, makes an effort to please God…does a Work to exalt God…
They are accrediting God which glorifies God and He rewards that person.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

The Verse refers to the Christian who is Saved by Grace through Faith apart from Works. Perhaps the best example of this would be the Theif on the Cross who Believed in the end but could not Work...

These Works are the Fruit of a Born Again Christian. They are Good Works and bad works that go to our Reward; not to our Justification. Our Justification is only by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone. This is why we can still enter into Heaven, though be it without Reward...

Your post is general in nature.
1 Cor 3 is speaking about very specific persons.

Do you think verse 4 has any clues as to who this passage is speaking about?

 

[GodsGrace]

A reward is something given in recognition of one's service, effort, or achievement.

When a person receives a reward from another person, they are being accredited and have received their reward.

When a person serves God, makes an effort to please God…does a Work to exalt God…
They are accrediting God which glorifies God and He rewards that person.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken,,,we discussed this on another forum and, same thing, no one really reads this through very well/thorougly.

Look at verse 4...who is it speaking of?
Look at verses 11 and 12....who are THEY speaking of (the verses).

I'm looking for a different opinion, but getting general responses instead.

This is not about rewards...you're reading into it.
Are the rewards being burned?

Do you think it might be speaking of those that BUILD the "house of God"?
Like Paul and Apollos for instance --- and those that come after them.

 

[Hey You!]

Your post is general in nature.
1 Cor 3 is speaking about very specific persons.

Do you think verse 4 has any clues as to who this passage is speaking about?

I tend to be General, due to my time in an Independent FUNDAMENTAL Baptist Church. I learned to refer to the Basics all the time. My Generality wasn't wrong, correct?

 

[marks]

WHICH MAN WILL SUFFER LOSS?​

A man whose works do not Glorify God.

He suffers a loss of rewards he could have had….IF….he had done works that Glorify God.

Glory to God,
Taken

I would say those whose works were not done in the Spirit, or led by the Spirit.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

I tend to be General, due to my time in an Independent FUNDAMENTAL Baptist Church. I learned to refer to the Basics all the time. My Generality wasn't wrong, correct?

No. The generalities were correct.
Could you read my post no. 7 and see what you think?

 

[Hey You!]

No. The generalities were correct.
Could you read my post no. 7 and see what you think?

I suppose it could be about those who build the House of God...

But if what I said above is Fundamental to the Faith, no other Meaning is needed. How would our Works of building the House of God, be different from our other Works?

 

[GodsGrace]

I suppose it could be about those who build the House of God...

But if what I said is Fundamental to the Faith, no other Meaning is needed. How would our Works of building the House of God, be different from our other Works?

I put this under BIBLE STUDY.
Been studying the bible many many years now.
There's still so much to learn and to know.

So we should stop and see exactly what Paul is trying to say in each and every one of his letters.
You know...get beyond the generalities...if you're interested; not everyone is.

So here's what I think and I'd like to get some confirmation:

In verse 4 Paul states that some are saying: "I am of Apollos", "I am of Paul".

Paul and Apollos were travelling and building up God's church...the church Jesus began.
They were building the "house of God".

Verse 8 speaks to receiving a reward for their labor...but I don't believe this passage is about rewards.

Verse 10 states that Paul is a master builder.
HE laid the foundation and someone else will build on it.

I believe this passage is speaking of those that are BUILDING THE HOUSE OF GOD.
For instance....pastors. They are adding to the foundation.

 

[Taken]

I would say those whose works were not done in the Spirit, or led by the Spirit.

Much love!

Right track.

The converted can lose rewards (treasures stored up in heaven) for taking “credit, back-pats” for things they accomplish…until they say thanks …but the credit and glory goes to God who makes my endeavors successful and even possible.

God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Hey You!]

I put this under BIBLE STUDY.
Been studying the bible many many years now.
There's still so much to learn and to know.

So we should stop and see exactly what Paul is trying to say in each and every one of his letters.
You know...get beyond the generalities...if you're interested; not everyone is.

So here's what I think and I'd like to get some confirmation:

In verse 4 Paul states that some are saying: "I am of Apollos", "I am of Paul".

Paul and Apollos were travelling and building up God's church...the church Jesus began.
They were building the "house of God".

Verse 8 speaks to receiving a reward for their labor...but I don't believe this passage is about rewards.

Verse 10 states that Paul is a master builder.
HE laid the foundation and someone else will build on it.

I believe this passage is speaking of those that are BUILDING THE HOUSE OF GOD.
For instance....pastors. They are adding to the foundation.

So if it's about building the Kingdom, doesn't this mean that some of our Post Salvific Works are Wood, Hay and Stubble; Works that count for Nothing, because they are OF us and not of God? Works that will not Stand the Test of Fire...

 

[GodsGrace]

I would say those whose works were not done in the Spirit, or led by the Spirit.

Much love!

I'm not sure this passage is about our works.
I believe it's about how we grow the Kingdom of God..
or, at least, those that are supposed to.

Could you reread and then comment again?
If you have time...

 

[GodsGrace]

So if it's about building the Kingdom, doesn't this mean that some of our Post Salvific Works are Wood, Hay and Stubble; Works that count for Nothing, because they are OF us and not of God? Works that will not Stand the Test of Fire...

I think the above is getting close.
Verse 10 tells us to be careful HOW we build upon it.

One of the questions would be: Are all of us building the house of God....or is this just for pastors/teachers, etc.?

Yes...verse 12 states that the wood, hay and straw will be burned because they were not good, or maybe acceptable,
this would be referring to the actual building...but the PERSON himself would not be condemned but would escape as through fire.

His WORKS would be burned,,,but the person would be saved anyway.

 

[Hey You!]

I think the above is getting close.
Verse 10 tells us to be careful HOW we build upon it.

One of the questions would be: Are all of us building the house of God....or is this just for pastors/teachers, etc.?

Yes...verse 12 states that the wood, hay and straw will be burned because they were not good, or maybe acceptable,
this would be referring to the actual building...but the PERSON himself would not be condemned but would escape as through fire.

His WORKS would be burned,,,but the person would be saved anyway.

Would you say that our building the Church with Stubble which turn out to be Wolves in Sheep's Clothing pretending to be Christians we lead to Christ, they will be burned as the Material we used; or would you say the Stubble we build the Kingdom with, are Deeds that God is not in?

 

[marks]

I'm not sure this passage is about our works.
I believe it's about how we grow the Kingdom of God..
or, at least, those that are supposed to.

Could you reread and then comment again?
If you have time...

What else are we doing? We add to the kingdom through evangelism, and nourish the kingdom by loving others through what we do.

Ephesians 4:13-16 KJV
13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


Even the seemingly non-spiritual aspects of life, they still either build up or tear down depending on what we do, how we do it, whether by the Spirit or not.

Either we are building the way God wants us to, gold, silver, precious stones, or what we want, or think, or whatever, wood, hay, stubble.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Would you say that our building the Church with Stubble which turn out to be Wolves in Sheep's Clothing pretending to be Christians we lead to Christ, they will be burned as the Material we used; or would you say the Stubble we build the Kingdom with, are Deeds that God is not in?

I don't think this is what 1 Cor 3 is speaking about.
I believe it's speaking about our pastors/teachers and about how THEIR work will be judged and some of it will be like hay and wood and some of it will be like gold and silver. The hay and wood will be burned but our elders will still be saved even if the building of the kingdom here on earth was not done very well.

James 3:1 tells us to be careful if we want to become teachers because our judgment will be harsher.
My avatar is because I've taught children our faith, in church, and though I had to stop this year, I do plan to get back to it.

I believe that we have to be very careful to follow the word of God when we speak about God and His teachings.

I think that Pastors/Priests, and all the elders have a very serious job to do in teaching the Word of God.

Some might have a different opinion....I don't think this is one of those verses that has a hard and fast teaching.

 

[GodsGrace]

What else are we doing? We add to the kingdom through evangelism, and nourish the kingdom by loving others through what we do.

Ephesians 4:13-16 KJV
13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


Even the seemingly non-spiritual aspects of life, they still either build up or tear down depending on what we do, how we do it, whether by the Spirit or not.

Either we are building the way God wants us to, gold, silver, precious stones, or what we want, or think, or whatever, wood, hay, stubble.

Much love!

Thanks marks...of course I agree.
So you understand this passage to be for all of us, in general.

Regarding your first post, no. 9...
do you believe we could do works that are not in the spirit?
Aren't all the works we do in the spirit?