'Wherever there is a carcass......' Matthew 24:28

[quietthinker]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

 

[bbyrd009]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming

that will not, ever, be seen with our two eyes, even though both one-eyed and two eyed readers can be found reading Scripture. Every eye will see Him, see, and you will not find a passage that says "all eyes will see Him," bc they will not. So a discourse is being made on two levels there wadr, as "Galileans, why do you stand there looking up into the sky?" even clarifies. You will see Him come down the same way they saw Him go up alright; just like they did.
They saw Him come down the same way you saw Him go up too!
with one eye, iow

then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

the carcass would be the one Joseph of Arimathea collected after asking for Jesus' Body and not getting It (bc we are the Body), and the vultures could be related to the "Strong Men" and those they guide (willingly) into the Cult of Sol Invictus/Nehushtan worship, or iow Death (vultures) More Abundantly, or seeking to "save" their lives, or seeking immortality after literal death, however one wants to put it

 

[VictoryinJesus]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

Can’t find all the passages that go with it but feel they are significant to your question: Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord , the Holy One of Israel, in truth.(Spirit)

Matthew 26:31-32
[31] Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. [32] But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Matthew 24:27
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord , the Holy One of Israel, in truth.(Spirit).

John 4:24
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Psalm 97:4
[4] His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

 

[quietthinker]

that will not, ever, be seen with our two eyes, even though both one-eyed and two eyed readers can be found reading Scripture. Every eye will see Him, see, and you will not find a passage that says "all eyes will see Him," bc they will not. So a discourse is being made on two levels there wadr, as "Galileans, why do you stand there looking up into the sky?" even clarifies. You will see Him come down the same way they saw Him go up alright; just like they did.
They saw Him come down the same way you saw Him go up too!
with one eye, iow
the carcass would be the one Joseph of Arimathea collected after asking for Jesus' Body and not getting It (bc we are the Body), and the vultures could be related to the "Strong Men" and those they guide (willingly) into the Cult of Sol Invictus/Nehushtan worship, or iow Death (vultures) More Abundantly, or seeking to "save" their lives, or seeking immortality after literal death, however one wants to put it

hmmmm, can't say I agree with your point bbyrd, the reason being context. How does your understanding relate to the context ?

 

[quietthinker]

Can’t find all the passages that go with it but feel they are significant to your question: Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord , the Holy One of Israel, in truth.(Spirit)

Matthew 26:31-32
[31] Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. [32] But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Matthew 24:27
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord , the Holy One of Israel, in truth.(Spirit).

John 4:24
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Psalm 97:4
[4] His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

Perhaps you could articulate on your highlighted areas ViJ ?

 

[ScottA]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

First of all, He does not speak of a global visibility, but specifically says "The world sees Me no more."

Verse 28 then, refers to the heads of the church gathering around the flesh, meaning the world and where Christ was crucified.

 

[Enoch111]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

Since *carcass* means corpse (dead body) the only way to interpret this is in light of the battle of Armageddon at the Second Coming of Christ, when there will be a MULTITUDE OF DEAD BODIES and the carrion will gather in huge numbers to devour them.

REVELATION 19
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God...
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great... [ALL CARCASSES]
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[ScottA]

Since *carcass* means corpse (dead body) the only way to interpret this in in light of the battle of Armageddon at the Second Coming of Christ, when there will be a MULTITUDE OF DEAD BODIES and the carrion will gather in huge numbers to devour them.

REVELATION 19
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God...
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great... [ALL CARCASSES]
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

It is the flesh that dies, but the Spirit gives life. The verse is a reference to the leaders of the church partaking of the flesh of the world rather than the spirit of God.

 

[Enoch111]

It is the flesh that dies, but the Spirit gives life. The verse is a reference to the leaders of the church partaking of the flesh of the world rather than the spirit of God.

If that is how Scripture is to be interpreted, we could make anything mean anything at all. It would be a free for all.

 

[ScottA]

If that is how Scripture is to be interpreted, we could make anything mean anything at all. It would be a free for all.

"We" could indeed, for all language is confounded. But by the spirit of God the truth is revealed.

 

[Enoch111]

"We" could indeed, for all language is confounded. But by the spirit of God the truth is revealed.

Except that the Spirit of God does not promote spiritual confusion, which is what would result from *anything goes* Bible interpretation. That is certainly not the meaning of *rightly dividing the Word of Truth*.

Your interpretation given in post#8 is about as far-fetched as calling church leaders *birds of prey* who would be literally preying on dead carcasses in some morgue -- necrophiliacs.

 

[ScottA]

Except that the Spirit of God does not promote spiritual confusion, which is what would result from *anything goes* Bible interpretation. That is certainly not the meaning of *rightly dividing the Word of Truth*.

Your interpretation given in post#8 is about as far-fetched as calling church leaders *birds of prey* who would be literally preying on dead carcasses in some morgue -- necrophiliacs.

I stated it as clearly and accurately as the scriptures allow: All language has been confounded by God himself, but the promise of Christ is to be lead unto all truth by the Holy Spirit.

But what you are saying about carcasses in morgues is just foolishness - that is what happens when you do not have the Spirit and try to go simply by the words. And that...is indeed, confusion, of which God is definitely not the Author. But do you realize that you have advocated for that confusion, while it is I who have advocated for the truth by the spirit of God?

 

[quietthinker]

First of all, He does not speak of a global visibility, but specifically says "The world sees Me no more."

wwhhhhh, sometimes I wonder whether folk here even bother to read their bibles or if they just rely on their favourite theological magazines or speakers!

My enquiry was Matthew 24:28 yet a few verses on in vs 30-31 it reads like this: 'At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky with power and great glory and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory and he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other'

What on earth prompts you to make a statement like yours above in the face of what I have just quoted?

The context of his statement 'the world sees me no more' was made in the immediate face of his crucifixion.

 

[Stranger]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

(Matt. 24:21-28) address the latter half of the Tribulation period. (21-22) Warning is given to those living at that time not to trust rumors you hear of Christ is here or there. Because Christ has not yet come. (23-26). When Christ comes you will see it as it will be visible to all. (27).

(Matt. 24:28) "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Just like when a dead carcass exists, so the fowl of the earth gather above to be seen by those below. So to when Christ returns, (Rev. 19:11-16), it will be to something that is dead below (Rev. 19:17) and His coming will be from above.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

hmmmm, can't say I agree with your point bbyrd, the reason being context.

you'd have to clarify which point you disagree with there, sorry

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Perhaps you could articulate on your highlighted areas ViJ ?

Can’t find what I am looking for right now. To be honest...it wouldn’t matter because we all speak (differently I might add) and disregard one another’s perspective. Let me ask do you see (literal)light shining out from one part of heaven unto the other? That is not what I see but what Jesus said which is “I am the Light” and Him gathering the elect is gathering those into light and truth. Luke 17:22-24 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it . [23] And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them , nor follow them . [24] For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

I’m sorry if this is off subject but it seems each of us can not answer your question the same because we have different views of what the word says. For me...we do not eat a dead carcase. He came for us not to continue to eat of what is dead but to taste of Life. The word was made flesh: yet is now not a man (Jesus) but Christ which is resurrected Spirit: the Living Word of God.

Pay attention to ‘horse and chariot’: are these passages speaking of the same ‘time’? Revelation 19:17-18
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Ezekiel 39:17-21
[17] And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God ; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. [18] Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. [19] And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. [20] Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God . [21] And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Zechariah 9:9-11
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. [10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen(nations): and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. [11] As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

(literal) Chariot and horse are cut off. When God says come fowl and beast eat of mighty men and of horse and chariot. (The literal has already happened). It was the flesh. There are no chariots today. See. Chariot then can’t remain literal chariots but chariots become ‘chariots of fire’ and transcend time...as with all living word. That creates a problem for those who insist end time prophecies will be seen as literal. The Lord sacrificing horse and chariot and calling fowls and beast to eat.

 

[ScottA]

wwhhhhh, sometimes I wonder whether folk here even bother to read their bibles or if they just rely on their favourite theological magazines or speakers!

My enquiry was Matthew 24:28 yet a few verses on in vs 30-31 it reads like this: 'At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky with power and great glory and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory and he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other'

What on earth prompts you to make a statement like yours above in the face of what I have just quoted?

The context of his statement 'the world sees me no more' was made in the immediate face of his crucifixion.

You criticize and quote, but have not reconciled the quote that I have first given you. Does God contradict Himself? No, but you contradict Him with your tit for tat use of His word.

Obviously, you do not understand what you are quoting.

 

[amadeus]

Can’t find what I am looking for right now. To be honest...it wouldn’t matter because we all speak (differently I might add) and disregard one another’s perspective. Let me ask do you see (literal)light shining out from one part of heaven unto the other? That is not what I see but what Jesus said which is “I am the Light” and Him gathering the elect is gathering those into light and truth. Luke 17:22-24 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it . [23] And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them , nor follow them . [24] For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

I’m sorry if this is off subject but it seems each of us can not answer your question the same because we have different views of what the word says. For me...we do not eat a dead carcase. He came for us not to continue to eat of what is dead but to taste of Life. The word was made flesh: yet is now not a man (Jesus) but Christ which is resurrected Spirit: the Living Word of God.

Pay attention to ‘horse and chariot’: are these passages speaking of the same ‘time’? Revelation 19:17-18
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Ezekiel 39:17-21
[17] And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God ; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. [18] Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. [19] And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. [20] Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God . [21] And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Zechariah 9:9-11
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. [10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen(nations): and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. [11] As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

(literal) Chariot and horse are cut off. When God says come fowl and beast eat of mighty men and of horse and chariot. (The literal has already happened). It was the flesh. There are no chariots today. See. Chariot then can’t remain literal chariots but chariots become ‘chariots of fire’ and transcend time...as with all living word. That creates a problem for those who insist end time prophecies will be seen as literal. The Lord sacrificing horse and chariot and calling fowls and beast to eat.

All this eating of the flesh of beasts and of carnal men is what everyone of us have done and some are still doing. Jesus told what to eat if we understand His meaning:

"I am that bread of life.
Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:48-56

I do not believe Jesus was speaking of bread made from grain for flesh nor of wine made from grapes grown on a natural vine for blood.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

In Jesus's discourse regarding his return he directs us to watch and be ready. He speaks about the global visibility of his coming then in vs 28 of Matthew 24 he says 'wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will be gathered'
What is your understanding of these words?

My translation says (regarding a carcass and vultures) that as surely as vultures gather around a dead body, just as surely will the occurring of the signs He gives them mean the end is near. I paraphrased, but it was being used as a comparison.