Where in the bible does it say I need to use it

[bbyrd009]

I think your posts speak for themselves.

The only thing is that some people don't like being seen much. Prefer shadows.

Have much hope for the resurrection? Life everlasting? What is your hope?

ah i hope things dont get too much better lest i forget, as i am wont to do i guess, off the top of my head
as to the rest i would resent your insinuations, but i prolly have it coming anyway lol, i know i'm not ezackly mr diplomacy or anything
life, more abundantly is hard i guess, mostly bc its so easy :)
still mostly theory for me though

dunno if suggesting that a 3 year old is as immortal as it gets, or not? but
we do not yet know what we will become
is pretty much my official position in regards to that

 

[bbyrd009]

These forums exist because too much bible not enough Christ

little children don't read much huh

 

[marks]

I guess people have different nuanced understanding of what Sola scriptura means. For me, it means two things. First, it is the final authority on doctrine. Anything presented by man that contradicts scripture, should be cast aside.
That said however, we should not limit God to the scriptures in communicating with man and making Himself known. The Bible itself tells us that God can and does speak through dreams, visions, and even nature, and if those who may never have read scripture or heard the word of God preached or taught, live and love according to their conscience, having compassion on others and in their hearts leaning towards godliness, there is all eternity remaining for them to learn theology and the whys and wherefores of how they came to be in the kingdom. Yes, scripture has the final say over all ecclesiastical councils, Popes, pastors and even televangelists. But let us not limit a God who wants all men saved and who is doing all He can to bring all men to repentance... He is not a God who is deliberately making it as difficult as possible to be saved by using fine print and meticulous forms and ceremonies that one must adhere to.
There have been literally millions throughout history who have had no access to scripture. Do we condemn them to eternal damnation because they were born in the wrong place and the wrong time? Or do we believe God is just, and exercises compassion and mercy through doing good and reaching out to lost souls, using missionaries with Bibles when available, but whatever other means He has at His disposal otherwise.

I think we have ample demonstration that God can make the neccesary arrangements.

Of course, in Acts 17, we're taught that God chose the times and bounderies of our habitations, that is, when and where we would live, with the intent that we would search for Him. This says to me that God sorted us all out according to who we are individually, so that we would be in the most conducive time and place to seek for Him.

Rather than being consigned to damnation because I was born somewhere that never heard of God, the reality is that if that's when and where I was born, it's because that's were I'm provided the best opportunity for me to know Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

i suggest that wisdom is where you find it, and one dismisses Green Eggs and Ham at their peril

I guess that helps me to understand where you come up with your ideas . . .

 

[marks]

Miracle: supernatural event that defies physics, or a secular explanation.
My point was, I believe in the historicity of Noah's ark, as incredible as it may appear, because of the profundity behind its significance. Man is detestable.

Peter wrote that they are willfully ignorant of the flood, being unwilling to acknowledge that God will again judge the world.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe because you don't recognize His voice in His Word?

ok, and what do you make of the Scripture verse that reflects on the subject?
they seemed to recognize Yah's Voice easy enough...

 

[marks]

But we are getting away from the original topic... Where in the Bible does it say I must use it? Others have already given an appropriate answer to that... Jesus was our example and He answered the devil 3 times with "it is written". And concluded that with a quote from the OT, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God', confirming the OT as a source of truth. Why should we then use scripture? Because if Jesus, Who was filled completely with the Spirit of His Father felt He needed to use scripture as the basis for His faith and practice, (despite the Father speaking to Him audibly in front of a crowd who also heard the voice) then I think we do also who are far from filling the shoes of Jesus.
Peter also in one of his letters testified to having witnessed Moses and Elijah speaking with Jesus, yet declared that prophecy/scripture was even more sure... Trustworthy... Than that vision.
Men are deceived if they think that without scripture they can be assured of truth. We are sanctified by truth. Gods word is truth. And we cannot trust in spirit manifestations until such manifestations are corroborated and arrested to and agreed to by scripture. Regardless of your denomination, prophet, or priest. Scripture first and foremost and everything else you believe in must be in subjection to that.
KJV Isaiah 8
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Amen!

 

[FHII]

Yet so many on here quote the bible and do disagree with God.

Ok, that last bit is debatable. But let's not debate that right now... If he is not bound by the Bible, does he have authority to contradict it?

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Yep. Great verse. Few questions: Who was he talking to? A:. The disciples and future Apostles. Now, were they guided by the Spirit? Absolutely, what did they do? The wrote Epistles, Gospels and evangelized.

If that verse means that the Spirit is going to guide all men, why were the Apostles needed? The Spirit does guide all (his) men. How? Through the teachings of the Apostles.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

And this verse demonstrates that perfectly. Paul is speaking of himself and other Apostles TO the Corinthians. Do you believe at this stage (his first epistle to them) the Corinthians had the spirit? Absolutely not, if you understand the context. Next chapter Paul even calls them babes and said he couldn't speak to them yet of spiritual things.

So yes, the Spirit does teach all men. But how he does it is missed. He teaches and guide men through his chosen men.

Some of the wrote the Bible which was guided by the Spirit.

 

[marks]

Whether you realize or not, you were already taught in Scripture if you were attending Church for some time. That is, you were aware of the criteria for salvation, etc... So that, everything that you know profess, is a byproduct of the your previous exposure to Scripture. You're just ascribing all your thoughts these days, to the Spirit, meanwhile you were already aware of the Old & New Testament outlines.

When I became a Christian at 19, all I needed to know what what I had learned in Sunday School when I was like 3.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

i just would be wary of ppl saying they wait for Yah's Voice, or even hear Yah's Voice, especially in light of that v and others, satan appears as an angel of light, etc, and knowing what little i know about our High Priest, #1 the chain of command is like not even being recognized, and also this "voice" seems to invariably drip with syrupy-believer-love-yack, is the absolute nicest way i can think of to put it, which dont get me wrong has a place, sort of, way less codependently, but anyway being evil no less than the apostles i'm sure it is satan's voice that i would find the most pleasant?

also mostly for the reason that i am at a loss to recall any such conversations in the NT, even viz prayer, which is i guess where that starts, "i go pray to Yah, and He always answers me." i mean ok, you can tell yourself that, but dont ignore the possibility of self-deception there, and maybe at least reflect on dont let Him speak to us again or we will die

 

[bbyrd009]

When I became a Christian at 19, all I needed to know what what I had learned in Sunday School when I was like 3.

Much love!

the heir is under servants and no better than a slave until he inherits, even though he is lord of all

 

[bbyrd009]

Very good point, that's typically my rule also, ...but, this has just gone on so long, and the point is just not hitting home, that I just have to be assertive and uncompromising at this point. At least, just to break the obstinance.

ah well everything i say is a lie anyway, so im free of that lol

 

[bbyrd009]

That's an interesting thought. I'm going to give that some thought.

Much love!

sounded more like an edict to me :)

 

[marks]

I was being facetious marks, seriously. I felt that byrd asked a rather futile question, so I responded in a sarcastic manner.
He was asking me if I was aware that what I posted was crap, ...what response was he expecting?

That was my point.

We either build up, or we tear down. We gather, or we scatter.

So which was it?

Hm.

 

[marks]

i won't enter? and i seek to prevent those who would? why do you say that?
i mean, condemnation much?

Hope of the resurrection? You've been denying that as long as I've read your posts. Death More Abundantly, you call it, right? So then what are you entering into?

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

[mjrhealth]

The Spirit does guide all (his) men. How? Through the teachings of the Apostles.

Oh see you do the same thing take away from God and give praise to to the bible, and steal the Honor from Christ.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Do you see what is the most spoken of, gloried, praised , and argued over thing on these forum, it is not Christ. Seems that Him and God and His Spirit have being related to the obsolete bin like cheap imported plasitc runbbish.

And when that door is shut, and all the christans come running, banging on the door . let me in let me in,

Luk_13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Mat 8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

too much bible not enough Christ

 

[mjrhealth]

little children don't read much huh

Thats because trust there father, dont you???

 

[marks]

Very good point, that's typically my rule also, ...but, this has just gone on so long, and the point is just not hitting home, that I just have to be assertive and uncompromising at this point. At least, just to break the obstinance.

Personally I find that idea so illogical as to be useless. Jesus was very insistant and certain. So were the Apostles. So have been many people who were none-the-less right.

IMO it's just psychobabble for the purpose of denial.

 

[marks]

He who says he knows, does not...

And you know this?

Really?

 

[mjrhealth]

Ok, that last bit is debatable. But let's not debate that right now... If he is not bound by the Bible, does he have authority to contradict it?


Yep. Great verse. Few questions: Who was he talking to? A:. The disciples and future Apostles. Now, were they guided by the Spirit? Absolutely, what did they do? The wrote Epistles, Gospels and evangelized.

If that verse means that the Spirit is going to guide all men, why were the Apostles needed? The Spirit does guide all (his) men. How? Through the teachings of the Apostles.


And this verse demonstrates that perfectly. Paul is speaking of himself and other Apostles TO the Corinthians. Do you believe at this stage (his first epistle to them) the Corinthians had the spirit? Absolutely not, if you understand the context. Next chapter Paul even calls them babes and said he couldn't speak to them yet of spiritual things.

So yes, the Spirit does teach all men. But how he does it is missed. He teaches and guide men through his chosen men.

Some of the wrote the Bible which was guided by the Spirit.

All of them are you sure.

You should read it with your eyes open.