When Is It Time To Die?

[Helen]

"My 83 year old grandmother has very late stage Alzheimer's disease. For the last 6 years, it has been the hardest battle we have dealt with in my family. We've tried numerous medications that either had no effect on the disease or made things very difficult in regards to her health and sleep.

We were recently gifted with cookies infused with some oil to try and see the effect.

I must tell you, it is a miracle!

My grandmother was barely able to feed herself on her own, use the restroom without violence occuring, staying up all night beating on walls and herself. She couldn't speak sentences that made sense, nor could she tell you who she was,where she was, etc.

She said her own FULL name for the first time in 6 years. The violence and rage episodes has now dwindled to maybe once a week, and she is off all medication. She is sleeping through the night, joking and laughing and recognizing objects and actually called the dog by his name in a full understandable sentence.

This is only 2 weeks with the oil infusions. 6 years of the worst battle of our lives, and with a simple dose inside a cookie, my grandmother is with us and functioning as if she was in her early stages.
I want to thank you all for sharing your stories and giving my family the courage to treat my grandmother with this miracle oil. I know my grandmother is not fully with us like she was 10 years ago, but as the days go by, it's made such a difference in her and our lives."

I too read one also...by a lady who gave her husband (Alzheimer's ) Coconut oil three time a day. It stopped it and reversed it for eight years if I remember rightly. He did die, but had another eight good years before doing do.

Many say that coconut oil is wonderful for passing the brain barrier....and very good for senile dementia. But, sadly I didn't read that lady's testimony of her husband, until after my old mum died.

 

[bbyrd009]

I too read one also...by a lady who gave her husband (Alzheimer's ) Coconut oil three time a day. It stopped it and reversed it for eight years if I remember rightly. He did die, but had another eight good years before doing do.

Many say that coconut oil is wonderful for passing the brain barrier....and very good for senile dementia. But, sadly I didn't read that lady's testimony of her husband, until after my old mum died.

ah, yes, i have heard similar testimonies about Coco oil. That one was about Cannabis Oil fwiw :)

 

[Helen]

Helen, God knows about our frailties better than any of us. I would believe that if our heart toward God is right when we reach a point where we can no longer understand enough to make an informed decision that God will put us on hold for Him right there. There are reasons which concern those left, such as yourself, with such questions as to why a person would be put on hold rather than being released from this natural life immediately. God always has His reasons, even when and if we have not even a clue.



Remember this:

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46

Jesus, the man of flesh, I believe was where your friend was. He still did what he had to do even if he could not feel God with him. It does not mean that God was not there...


That was a dark hour for you, but here I will insert another story that may help you and others:

Consider my pastor's wife who was always a God-fearing woman in the best sense. Neither her nor her husband rushed to doctor all of the time. They were born and grew up in a time when medical help was a last resort or at worst only sought for very serious illnesses. They both had witnessed too many healings where doctors were not involved to not trust God first.

But... in July of 2012 she was in excruciating pain so her husband and my wife took her to the emergency room. The doctor there talked with her and without a physical examination and no tests of any kind he concluded she was constipated and had a nurse give her an enema and sent her home. His reason for no tests was that, according to him, Medicare would not pay for it.

After a terrible night, the next morning she called my wife and asked her to come and give her another enema. My wife complied but the lady continued in excruciating pain. That afternoon her husband and my wife took her back to the emergency room. A different doctor was working. He quickly ran tests and apologetically said that while he couldn't absolutely confirm it, he was pretty certain she had pancreatic cancer, one of the most painful ways to die. I say die because at that time that was it. I presume it still is.

My wife and I went with the two of them to the oncologist [cancer doctor] who came in to talk with all of us. He asked my pastor's wife if she believed in God to which she of course responded that she did. The doctor advised her then to seek God's help for there was nothing he could do but prescribe pain medication. He did that had contacted hospice for her. She was dying and medical science could not even slow it down.

She went home and suffered severely but mostly silently until 9-1-2012 when she simply did not wake up in the morning. My wife was with her daily and the lady's was worst complaint was her concern that no one would be there to care for her husband when she was gone. Many people visited but the only one to whom she revealed how severe her pain was, was my wife. She did not want her husband to realize how much she hurt. He never did know until some time after she was gone. Everyone who visited her, and there were many, was blessed by their conversation with her. They came into the small home with sad expressions of their faces because they knew their loved was leaving them. My wife is witness to the fact that everyone of them left the home blessed after their final conversation with this dying old woman who always loved others more than she loved herself. None who visited her knew about her severe and continuous pain during those visits other than my wife

They lived in a small mobile home behind the building where her husband was the pastor and she was the piano player. Not long after her diagnosis she had to stop playing the piano, but she only missed one service, the very last one, from the day of diagnosis to the day of her death. With my wife's help she walked over to her final service on Sunday. My wife told her that if she missed the service, everyone would understand, but she insisted on attending. The following Wednesday service she was unable to walk at all and she missed it. She died on Saturday morning. She had gone to be finally and completely with the Lord.

Thanks John. Lovely story it made me cry. She sure was an overcomer and did not let death or even the pain over come her.
Now I see even more why you keep a steady eye on your pastor. :)

So, in light of the story of overcoming death rather than it overcoming her..
I guess what we should be asking is-
"What death will we die...will we have a "good death" as it were.
An overcoming death.

We can curse the Curse...and wait to have a "few choice words" with Adam and Eve.
Birthing INTO this world comes with anguish .. and going OUT of this world and birthing into the next , comes with anguish!!

Curse be the Curse lol

 

[amadeus]

"My 83 year old grandmother has very late stage Alzheimer's disease. For the last 6 years, it has been the hardest battle we have dealt with in my family. We've tried numerous medications that either had no effect on the disease or made things very difficult in regards to her health and sleep.

We were recently gifted with cookies infused with some oil to try and see the effect.

I must tell you, it is a miracle!

My grandmother was barely able to feed herself on her own, use the restroom without violence occuring, staying up all night beating on walls and herself. She couldn't speak sentences that made sense, nor could she tell you who she was,where she was, etc.

She said her own FULL name for the first time in 6 years. The violence and rage episodes has now dwindled to maybe once a week, and she is off all medication. She is sleeping through the night, joking and laughing and recognizing objects and actually called the dog by his name in a full understandable sentence.

This is only 2 weeks with the oil infusions. 6 years of the worst battle of our lives, and with a simple dose inside a cookie, my grandmother is with us and functioning as if she was in her early stages.
I want to thank you all for sharing your stories and giving my family the courage to treat my grandmother with this miracle oil. I know my grandmother is not fully with us like she was 10 years ago, but as the days go by, it's made such a difference in her and our lives."

Give God the glory!

 

[APAK]

Hey there....thanks for the response.
In answer to your first line above...
I once heard someone preach saying that he took literally the verse of David's which says " Teach us to number our days.."
I did pray, and I did ask the Lord what the number of my days were. :)
Then a few week later, I can't remember how now, too long ago..I had the strong impression that I will live to be 87. Why I have no idea.
Then almost ten years later I was praying about a physical ailment ( a nasty one...many, many times I just "pray through" and do not run to the doctor, unless I feel a strong nudge to do so)
The word that I heard from the Lord, was not just about this one issue...but included the verse to king Hezekiah "I will add to your life 15 years..."
Obviously I counted 15 years on from that day...and sure enough I would be 87. A confirmation of what I believed I had heard ten yeas before...
Now, do I trust myself? No.
Do I trust that I have 100% spiritually clear hearing..No.
But Like many other things in my life, I hold it lightly , but I still hold it. ...and all I can say is "we will see" :)

So, obviously I do not intend to tap-out at 75...its already too late for that anyway! ha!

Bless you...Helen.

I do enjoy reading your vitality in your words. I'm already in the zone of constant repair action on my body.

Five years ago I was doing a lot of outside work at home (a different home that the one I have now). Mentally I though I was 30 again and stretched my muscles and bones to the limit over 3 months..moving a hot tub around by myself....making a pagoda with a shingles roof and 4x4 posts in concrete...by myself...doing concrete work - making footpaths/sidewalks by myself....after a few months I felt my back was being played on by a violinist. tingles and nerve pain all over the place...later after another couple of months I had sciatica pain running down the left side of my leg to the soles of my feet. I was walking with a distinct limp... 6 weeks and then it stopped.....still had the tingles all over, for 4 more years and since 4 months ago it has all virtually stopped.....only once in while I get a slight flair up. I thank the Lord for my near complete recovery everyday..(Nearly everyday) and yes I had an MRI, 6 after I the limp work..I slipped a disk (herniated)....

Swimming and the 'hot' tub has helped my recovery a lot.

I too do not know when my time is up...I just keep on chugging....like a train...help my elders these days..one neighbor has Parkinson's disease with dementia, another pancreatic cancer....my wife and I pray for them and others....I love to give my time when it is needed.

Bless you, Helen...live a fruit life as now

APAK

 

[aspen]

I have personally experienced death close up. It was not frightening, but it was sad. Now, even though I am having to take quite a bit of medicine and have a few chronic health concerns, i want to enjoy the life I have left. I also like to surround myself with life - family, friends, animals, plants......my favorite color is living green.

 

[Helen]

Lovely posts @APAK and @aspen
Amen to both and
Bless you both.

 

[amadeus]

Thanks John. Lovely story it made me cry. She sure was an overcomer and did not let death or even the pain over come her.
Now I see even more why you keep a steady eye on your pastor. :)

She was a dear lady and took good care of him during 66 years of marriage. He misses her, but to this day I do not believe he really understands everything she was doing for him. His memory is poor these days. As with most of us he remembers better things from long ago than things from yesterday. He doesn't remember all about her because he never knew it at any time.

So, in light of the story of overcoming death rather than it overcoming her..
I guess what we should be asking is-
"What death will we die...will we have a "good death" as it were.
An overcoming death.

We can curse the Curse...and wait to have a "few choice words" with Adam and Eve.
Birthing INTO this world comes with anguish .. and going OUT of this world and birthing into the next , comes with anguish!!

Curse be the Curse lol

Even so! Give God the glory!

 

[rockytopva]

"Man is a prisoner who has no right to open the door and run away. . A man should wait, and not take his own life until God summons him. " - Socrates

 

[aspen]

"Man is a prisoner who has no right to open the door and run away. . A man should wait, and not take his own life until God summons him. " - Socrates

So I guess it wasn’t the hemlock.....it was God summoning Socrates.....lol

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 

[charlesj]

Some may find this interesting...some won't.
Im sure @bbyrd009 will at least give it a look over.( Remember Mark...this is talking about when we are 'my age'....not at your age now)

I found it so interesting. I will put the link so you can read it for yourself.
But as many ( like me) do not like links...I will put a snippet right here.

I think some of us can agree that at "our age" (76) and much younger for me. We have basically be 'kept from dying' by medication ( blood pressure meds, heart meds...surgeries, etc) I am already past my "sell by" date! :)

So, in one way we have already taken our time of death out of God's trusting hand, and into our own. So the answer.." I am trusting God's timing.." doesn't wash for some of us.

This link is asking - When is it time to say ..'enough'....I will "take an aspirin if I get a headache, but if I get pneumonia I will say no thank you to the antibiotics, The Colonoscopies ,Mammography, Scan's etc ( which I personally have always done anyway...but I have had surgeries and taken the medications.....but...when do we stop?)
When is it time to let go?

So, here is the snippet and also the link for those who find it as interesting as I did :)
Quote:-
That’s how long I want to live: 75 years.


Etc etc etc.....blah blah.... End Quote.
LINK - < Why I Hope to Die at 75 >

Bless you... :)

I hope you live to be 100.
I am 78 (on April 18th) and in good health, no meds at all, only vitamins and some herbs. I think my gift from the Lord (my wife) has been one of the reasons I am in such good health.
May the Lord be with you and bless you as you serve Him.
Charles

 

[DPMartin]

Some may find this interesting...some won't.
Im sure @bbyrd009 will at least give it a look over.( Remember Mark...this is talking about when we are 'my age'....not at your age now)

I found it so interesting. I will put the link so you can read it for yourself.
But as many ( like me) do not like links...I will put a snippet right here.

I think some of us can agree that at "our age" (76) and much younger for me. We have basically be 'kept from dying' by medication ( blood pressure meds, heart meds...surgeries, etc) I am already past my "sell by" date! :)

So, in one way we have already taken our time of death out of God's trusting hand, and into our own. So the answer.." I am trusting God's timing.." doesn't wash for some of us.

This link is asking - When is it time to say ..'enough'....I will "take an aspirin if I get a headache, but if I get pneumonia I will say no thank you to the antibiotics, The Colonoscopies ,Mammography, Scan's etc ( which I personally have always done anyway...but I have had surgeries and taken the medications.....but...when do we stop?)
When is it time to let go?

So, here is the snippet and also the link for those who find it as interesting as I did :)
Quote:-
That’s how long I want to live: 75 years.

This preference drives my daughters crazy. It drives my brothers crazy. My loving friends think I am crazy. They think that I can’t mean what I say; that I haven’t thought clearly about this, because there is so much in the world to see and do. To convince me of my errors, they enumerate the myriad people I know who are over 75 and doing quite well. They are certain that as I get closer to 75, I will push the desired age back to 80, then 85, maybe even 90.

I am sure of my position. Doubtless, death is a loss. It deprives us of experiences and milestones, of time spent with our spouse and children. In short, it deprives us of all the things we value.

But here is a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic.

By the time I reach 75, I will have lived a complete life. I will have loved and been loved.
Etc etc etc.....blah blah.... End Quote.
LINK - < Why I Hope to Die at 75 >

Bless you... :)

theoretically the life is in the hands of the one living it, but that's not always the attitude of the society one lives in. don't get to whiny though, there are many who never see 30 year's of living and it was a miserable experience at best. so if you want to feel sorry for your self in public, its a little pathetic don't you think?

 

[charlesj]

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Hello Scott: What you are quoting in Matthew 24 is a prophecy Jesus gave to his apostles regarding the destruction of Jerusalem. This prophecy was fulfilled about 40 years later in 70 A.D. when the Jewish Nation, the temple and all the Jewish genealogies were destroyed by God.
All the books of the New Testament were written before 70 A.D. (including Revelation). In the books of the N.T. you will see phrases like "the last days, the last hour, etc." and that is because the writers knew "the prophecy of Matthew 24 that Jesus spoke" was getting close. Jesus told His apostles that "...Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place..." (Matt 34:24).

Today, there is not a Jew alive that can tell you from which tribe they came from. I think God destroyed their genealogies to keep the Jew from taking someone starting an Aaronic Priesthood... WE have a High Priest forever from the tribe of Judah.

If you want to discuss this more, then email me: [email protected]. I am retired from IBM and have a "lot of time on my hands."
I am a "disciple" and have served Him since August 1970.
May the Lord bless you as you serve Him.

 

[ScottA]

Hello Scott: What you are quoting in Matthew 24 is a prophecy Jesus gave to his apostles regarding the destruction of Jerusalem. This prophecy was fulfilled about 40 years later in 70 A.D. when the Jewish Nation, the temple and all the Jewish genealogies were destroyed by God.
All the books of the New Testament were written before 70 A.D. (including Revelation). In the books of the N.T. you will see phrases like "the last days, the last hour, etc." and that is because the writers knew "the prophecy of Matthew 24 that Jesus spoke" was getting close. Jesus told His apostles that "...Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place..." (Matt 34:24).

Today, there is not a Jew alive that can tell you from which tribe they came from. I think God destroyed their genealogies to keep the Jew from taking someone starting an Aaronic Priesthood... WE have a High Priest forever from the tribe of Judah.

If you want to discuss this more, then email me: [email protected]. I am retired from IBM and have a "lot of time on my hands."
I am a "disciple" and have served Him since August 1970.
May the Lord bless you as you serve Him.

Yes, thank you, this I know.

But it is also the timing of when we each come into His death, resurrection, and ascension; where the fact that we "were" crucified and raised up with Him comes to personal completion: "each one in his own order." 1 Corinthians 15:23 - With a BANG!

 

[ScottA]

Some may find this interesting...some won't.
Im sure @bbyrd009 will at least give it a look over.( Remember Mark...this is talking about when we are 'my age'....not at your age now)

I found it so interesting. I will put the link so you can read it for yourself.
But as many ( like me) do not like links...I will put a snippet right here.

I think some of us can agree that at "our age" (76) and much younger for me. We have basically be 'kept from dying' by medication ( blood pressure meds, heart meds...surgeries, etc) I am already past my "sell by" date! :)

So, in one way we have already taken our time of death out of God's trusting hand, and into our own. So the answer.." I am trusting God's timing.." doesn't wash for some of us.

This link is asking - When is it time to say ..'enough'....I will "take an aspirin if I get a headache, but if I get pneumonia I will say no thank you to the antibiotics, The Colonoscopies ,Mammography, Scan's etc ( which I personally have always done anyway...but I have had surgeries and taken the medications.....but...when do we stop?)
When is it time to let go?

So, here is the snippet and also the link for those who find it as interesting as I did :)
Quote:-
That’s how long I want to live: 75 years.

This preference drives my daughters crazy. It drives my brothers crazy. My loving friends think I am crazy. They think that I can’t mean what I say; that I haven’t thought clearly about this, because there is so much in the world to see and do. To convince me of my errors, they enumerate the myriad people I know who are over 75 and doing quite well. They are certain that as I get closer to 75, I will push the desired age back to 80, then 85, maybe even 90.

I am sure of my position. Doubtless, death is a loss. It deprives us of experiences and milestones, of time spent with our spouse and children. In short, it deprives us of all the things we value.

But here is a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic.

By the time I reach 75, I will have lived a complete life. I will have loved and been loved.
Etc etc etc.....blah blah.... End Quote.
LINK - < Why I Hope to Die at 75 >

Bless you... :)

It is appropriate that we exist beyond our natural ability, for it is the manifestation of the fact that we have been on borrowed time since the cross...because "It is finished."

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[Helen]

don't get to whiny though, there are many who never see 30 year's of living and it was a miserable experience at best. so if you want to feel sorry for your self in public, its a little pathetic don't you think?

You are such an arrogant grumpy man. Did you read all of the posts, even all of my posts here? Obviously NOT!
"Whiny?" and " Feeling sorry for myself?" Give my a break.

You obviously did NOT read the link, but you are just shooting your mouth off when you are only half informed.
You are rude in so many of your posts...I saw you accuse VictoryinJesus the other day and you were rude to her...in one of your usual critical posts. Who do you think you are....God's gift of wisdom to the Site or something!!

Many times I have almost 'called' you on your attitude...but it was never directly "at me".
So, just get back in your pram....and at least be informed of what the thread is about before just giving your judgemental opinion.

 

[DPMartin]

You are such an arrogant grumpy man. Did you read all of the posts, even all of my posts here? Obviously NOT!
"Whiny?" and " Feeling sorry for myself?" Give my a break.

You obviously did NOT read the link, but you are just shooting your mouth off when you are only half informed.
You are rude in so many of your posts...I saw you accuse VictoryinJesus the other day and you were rude to her...in one of you usual critical posts. Who do you think you are....God's gift of wisdom to the Site or something!!

Many times I have almost 'called' you on your attitude...but it was never directly "at me".
So, just get back in your pram....and at least be informed of what the thread is about before just giving your judgement opinion.

thank you, thank you very much.

really bygrace you know just as well as I do complaints about old age are self serving especially in public. like I said there are thousands even millions through out the ages that have had squat for a life and then died long before 75.

and you are talking about when enough is enough, when many of those would have been glad with a little of what you've had or have.

don't need to know much more then that, isn't that so bygrace?

there's an old saying no matter how much you polish a turd its still a turd, and self serving dribble is still self serving dribble no matter how much you smile when you say it.

 

[Helen]

thank you, thank you very much.

really bygrace you know just as well as I do complaints about old age are self serving especially in public. like I said there are thousands even millions though out the ages that have had squat for a life and then died long before 75.

and you are talking about when enough is enough, when many of those would have been glad with a little of what you've had or have.

don't need to know much more then that, isn't that so bygrace?

I read the article and I thought it would make an interesting discussion...and so far, it has been....
You are supposed to be commenting on the article, and the man's thoughts.....not "at me" for posting it!!!!!

If you had taken time to read the thread, then you would have known that.