WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE VIRGIN BIRTH

[Doug]

Jeremiah 22:28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?

22:29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD.

22:30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.


Jehoiakim, a king of Judah, had two sons , Jeconiah and Zedekiah. 1 Chronicles 3:1

Coniah was also known as Jeconiah. Jeremiah 22:24

The Greek form of Jeconiah is Jeconias, which is found in Matthew 1:12

Coniah, or Jeconias, in Jeremiah 22:30 was prohibited from sitting upon the throne of David.

Coniah, or Jeconias, was in the lineage of Joseph. Matthew 1:12

If Jesus came through the line of David, he may well have been unable to sit on the throne of David as prophesied. Isaiah 9:7

The virgin birth skipped the lineage of Joseph, and the prohibition of Coniah. Matthew 1:23 Luke 3:23

Some say it is possible that the prohibition only would apply to "his days" ,and would not extend beyond this; but Jeremiah 22:30 says, "any more", which to me, would mean no descendant could sit on the throne.

The brilliance of God!!!!! Merry Christmas

 

[Scott Downey]

We have the genealogy listed. Yes Mary is mentioned, but not Joseph.

I think it neat that there are 14 generations of three. Perhaps pointing to the Triune God being in control, as a sign post.

7 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

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The book of the genealogy[a] of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king.

David the king begot Solomon by her [b]who had been the wife of Uriah. 7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot [c]Asa. 8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot [d]Amon, and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot [e]Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

 

[RedFan]

We have the genealogy listed. Yes Mary is mentioned, but not Joseph.

I think it neat that there are 14 generations of three. Perhaps pointing to the Triune God being in control, as a sign post.

7 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

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The book of the genealogy[a] of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king.

David the king begot Solomon by her [b]who had been the wife of Uriah. 7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot [c]Asa. 8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot [d]Amon, and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot [e]Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

Joseph IS mentioned as being in the lineage. I see nothing here that places Mary in the lineage.

 

[Scott Downey]

Joseph IS mentioned as being in the lineage. I see nothing here that places Mary in the lineage.

Yes ok, according to the flesh, his name is in the list.

 

[RedFan]

Yes ok, according to the flesh, his name is in the list.

Have you been following my OP, Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

 

[Scott Downey]

What was Mary’s lineage? | GotQuestions.org

What was Mary’s lineage? Does Luke chapter 3 record the genealogy of Mary? Why is Mary’s lineage important?

www.gotquestions.org

It is common knowledge that the genealogies contained in Matthew and Luke differ. Most conservative Bible commentators explain the difference by holding that Jesus’ genealogy in Matthew 1:1–16 is traced through Joseph’s line to show Jesus’ royal right to the Davidic throne; correspondingly, the genealogy in Luke 3:23–38 traces Jesus’ ancestry through Mary’s line. This means that Mary’s lineage is recorded in the Gospel of Luke.

Mary’s lineage, as recorded by Luke, does not mention Mary, but that’s to be expected—including women’s names in genealogies was not standard practice. It begins this way: “[Jesus] was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli” (Luke 3:23). This comment affirms the truth of Jesus’ virgin birth (see Luke 1:29–38). Joseph was a “son” of Heli by virtue of his marriage to Mary, who would have been the daughter of Heli (Matthew 1:16 lists Joseph’s biological father as Jacob).

Some notable points in Mary’s lineage are that she was a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Luke 3:34); she was specifically of the tribe of Judah (verse 33). She was also a descendant of Boaz (verse 32) and David (verse 31). Significantly, Luke traces Mary’s lineage all the way back to Adam (verse 38). This fits with Luke’s purpose as he wrote to Gentiles and emphasized that Jesus is the Son of God who came to save all people (cf. Luke 2:10–11).

Have you been following my OP, Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

I can look at it.
But you know that Joseph was not directly in the genealogy, in the sense that it was a virgin birth, none of Joseph's seed went into the creation of Jesus as Mary was found pregnant before they came together, Christ was born of Mary only, not Joseph.

Matthew 1:18

Christ Born of Mary​

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Verily]

What was Mary’s lineage? | GotQuestions.org

What was Mary’s lineage? Does Luke chapter 3 record the genealogy of Mary? Why is Mary’s lineage important?

www.gotquestions.org

It is common knowledge that the genealogies contained in Matthew and Luke differ. Most conservative Bible commentators explain the difference by holding that Jesus’ genealogy in Matthew 1:1–16 is traced through Joseph’s line to show Jesus’ royal right to the Davidic throne; correspondingly, the genealogy in Luke 3:23–38 traces Jesus’ ancestry through Mary’s line. This means that Mary’s lineage is recorded in the Gospel of Luke.

Mary’s lineage, as recorded by Luke, does not mention Mary, but that’s to be expected—including women’s names in genealogies was not standard practice. It begins this way: “[Jesus] was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli” (Luke 3:23). This comment affirms the truth of Jesus’ virgin birth (see Luke 1:29–38). Joseph was a “son” of Heli by virtue of his marriage to Mary, who would have been the daughter of Heli (Matthew 1:16 lists Joseph’s biological father as Jacob).

Some notable points in Mary’s lineage are that she was a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Luke 3:34); she was specifically of the tribe of Judah (verse 33). She was also a descendant of Boaz (verse 32) and David (verse 31). Significantly, Luke traces Mary’s lineage all the way back to Adam (verse 38). This fits with Luke’s purpose as he wrote to Gentiles and emphasized that Jesus is the Son of God who came to save all people (cf. Luke 2:10–11).

I can look at it.
But you know that Joseph was not directly in the genealogy, in the sense that it was a virgin birth, none of Joseph's seed went into the creation of Jesus as Mary was found pregnant before they came together, Christ was born of Mary only, not Joseph.

Matthew 1:18

Christ Born of Mary​

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Scott, I just posted this on another thread, its a short video I have kept for many years, I think its well done and he keeps it interesting by his delivery of what could be a drag to sit through. Its 7 minutes long

What are your thoughts on this one?

 

[Scott Downey]

Scott, I just posted this on another thread, its a short video I have kept for many years, I think its well done and he keeps it interesting by his delivery of what could be a drag to sit through. Its 7 minutes long

What are your thoughts on this one?

Certainly is a possibility.