What was the date of the Crucifixion?

[The Light]

Some of that is right. But I am not going to waste my time with you because you do not like history....and the Bible is history....and you are picking a choosing what you WANT to believe.....not what was.

Let's talk facts and truth. The truth is what you are posting about when Jesus died is wrong. The facts bear that out. The Word proves beyond any doubt what you are claiming is wrong. There is no middle ground. It's either right or wrong.

As for history, I love history, but history does not change the truth. I don't know how many of you look in the mirror. You absolutely know without any doubt that Jesus did not die in AD 30 because of the facts. You now know that Passover in AD 30 fell on a Wednesday, which proves that Jesus could not have died in AD 30. It's why Chris Gedge spends so much time trying to move the Passover from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan despite the Word of God stating, without question, that the feast of Passover is on the 14th of Nisan.

It's the truth that will set you free, not the denial of truth. The time runs short. You will never have understanding until you chase the truth.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Zao is life]

Wrong. I quoted the definition of the word and it can be a royal crown by itself.

1 Corinthians 9:24-25
"Do you not know that all the runners in a stadium compete, but only one receives the prize? So run to win. Each competitor must exercise self-control in everything. They do it to receive a perishable crown [stéphanos], but we an imperishable one."

The origin of the word is the wreath that once used to be placed on the victor's head in the ancient Greek games. It is therefore also a crown of honor, but it differs from a diádēma (diadem) in that whereas a diádēma is a crown of authority, a stéphanos is bestowed upon a person by someone with the authority to bestow it.

stéphanos is used in the same sense in Philippians 4:1; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.and James 1:12:

James 1:12
"Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown [stéphanos] of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him."

The crowns on the heads of all the following entities mentioned in the Revelation, are stéphanos:-

Revelation 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Revelation 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Revelation 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).

(The crowns on the heads of the dragon in Revelation 12:3 and the ten kings in Revelation 13:1 are diádēma).

JESUS IS SEEN WEARING BOTH TYPES OF CROWN

* Revelation 14:14 (Christ). In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (a crown of victory and honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (who, as we know, has been given a name above all names).

* In contrast to the Revelation 14:14, in Revelation 19:19 Christ is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (Revelation 19:16).

* The rider of the white horse seen in the first seal is given a stéphanos.

the word stephanos is not used in the same sense as diadema in the Bible. In the Bible stephanos is used in the sense of a prize, a crown of victory awarded to someone of lesser rank by someone with the rank to bestow it. A diadema is a royal crown.

 

[Zao is life]

Let's talk facts and truth. The truth is what you are posting about when Jesus died is wrong. The facts bear that out. The Word proves beyond any doubt what you are claiming is wrong. There is no middle ground. It's either right or wrong.

As for history, I love history, but history does not change the truth. I don't know how many of you look in the mirror. You absolutely know without any doubt that Jesus did not die in AD 30 because of the facts. You now know that Passover in AD 30 fell on a Wednesday, which proves that Jesus could not have died in AD 30. It's why Chris Gedge spends so much time trying to move the Passover from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan despite the Word of God stating, without question, that the feast of Passover is on the 14th of Nisan.

It's the truth that will set you free, not the denial of truth. The time runs short. You will never have understanding until you chase the truth.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

What was the date of the Crucifixion? (click)

Chris' date traced in every gospel in the above post.

You were saying?

 

[ewq1938]

the word stephanos is not used in the same sense as diadema in the Bible. In the Bible stephanos is used in the sense of a prize, a crown of victory awarded to someone of lesser rank by someone with the rank to bestow it.

A stephanos crown can also be of royalty so your conclusion here is faulty.

G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
stef'-an-os
From an apparently primary “stepho” (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively: - crown.
Total KJV occurrences: 18


G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
Thayer Definition:
1) a crown
1a) a mark of royal or (in general) exalted rank
1a1) the wreath or garland which was given as a prize to victors in public games
1b) metaphorically the eternal blessedness which will be given as aprize to the genuine servants of God and Christ: the crown (wreath) which is the reward of the righteousness
1c) that which is an ornament and honour to one
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from an apparently primary stepho (to twine or wreathe)

 

[Grailhunter]

Let's talk facts and truth. The truth is what you are posting about when Jesus died is wrong. The facts bear that out. The Word proves beyond any doubt what you are claiming is wrong. There is no middle ground. It's either right or wrong.

As for history, I love history, but history does not change the truth. I don't know how many of you look in the mirror. You absolutely know without any doubt that Jesus did not die in AD 30 because of the facts. You now know that Passover in AD 30 fell on a Wednesday, which proves that Jesus could not have died in AD 30. It's why Chris Gedge spends so much time trying to move the Passover from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan despite the Word of God stating, without question, that the feast of Passover is on the 14th of Nisan.

It's the truth that will set you free, not the denial of truth. The time runs short. You will never have understanding until you chase the truth.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Nope! You be wrong. And it is very simple why you are wrong. Concentrate! Use both hands.

 

[Zao is life]

A stephanos crown can also be of royalty so your conclusion here is faulty.

G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
stef'-an-os
From an apparently primary “stepho” (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively: - crown.
Total KJV occurrences: 18


G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
Thayer Definition:
1) a crown
1a) a mark of royal or (in general) exalted rank
1a1) the wreath or garland which was given as a prize to victors in public games
1b) metaphorically the eternal blessedness which will be given as aprize to the genuine servants of God and Christ: the crown (wreath) which is the reward of the righteousness
1c) that which is an ornament and honour to one
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from an apparently primary stepho (to twine or wreathe)

LOL. Click on your post above and consider in what sense it is used in all the verses I quoted before your response above.

1 Corinthians 9:24-25
"Do you not know that all the runners in a stadium compete, but only one receives the prize? So run to win. Each competitor must exercise self-control in everything. They do it to receive a perishable crown [stéphanos], but we an imperishable one."

The origin of the word is the wreath that once used to be placed on the victor's head in the ancient Greek games. It is therefore also a crown of honor, but it differs from a diádēma (diadem) in that whereas a diádēma is a crown of authority, a stéphanos is bestowed upon a person by someone with the authority to bestow it.

stéphanos is used in the same sense in Philippians 4:1; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.and James 1:12:

James 1:12
"Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown [stéphanos] of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him."

The crowns on the heads of all the following entities mentioned in the Revelation, are stéphanos:-

Revelation 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Revelation 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Revelation 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).

(The crowns on the heads of the dragon in Revelation 12:3 and the ten kings in Revelation 13:1 are diádēma).

JESUS IS SEEN WEARING BOTH TYPES OF CROWN

* Revelation 14:14 (Christ). In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (a crown of victory and honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (who, as we know, has been given a name above all names).

* In contrast to the Revelation 14:14, in Revelation 19:19 Christ is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (Revelation 19:16).

* The rider of the white horse seen in the first seal is given a stéphanos.

As the above verses ALL show, the word stephanos is not used in the same sense as diadema in the Bible. In the Bible stephanos is used in the sense of a prize, a crown of victory awarded to someone of lesser rank by someone with the rank to bestow it. A diadema is a royal crown.

 

[ewq1938]

LOL. Click on your post above and consider in what sense it is used in all the verses I quoted before your response above.

You deny the word can refer to a royal crown while I accept all of it's definitions. It can refer to the non-royal type of crown but that is not it's only meaning.

 

[The Light]

Nope! You be wrong. And it is very simple why you are wrong.

I know, because the truth is not YOUR truth.

Concentrate! Use both hands.

Okay. Nope. It's no good. Your head is still stuck in the sand. Maybe I'll try some oil, that might work. Where's your lamp? Nope. That won't work.

 

[The Light]

What was the date of the Crucifixion? (click)

Chris' date traced in every gospel in the above post.

You were saying?

Oh......my. Ummmm. Chris date traced???? Kind of like he date traced, from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, to Messiah the prince using the wrong decree. Or date traced from the 15th year of Tiberius using the wrong date. Or date traced the Passover when Jesus died using the 15th of Nisan instead of the 14th of Nisan. Trace this. There is no way that Jesus could have died in AD 30 because Passover is on Wednesday in AD 30 and not Friday. And those that can see, and accept the written Word of God, know that Jesus died on the date of preparation of Passover.

I bet Chris just sits around smiling, knowing that he can put out any piece of false information he wants and the blind slurp it up like syrup. It doesn't seem to matter if it agrees with the written Word of God or not, the blind can't see no matter how clear the Word is.

 

[covenantee]

Oh......my. Ummmm. Chris date traced???? Kind of like he date traced, from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, to Messiah the prince using the wrong decree. Or date traced from the 15th year of Tiberius using the wrong date. Or date traced the Passover when Jesus died using the 15th of Nisan instead of the 14th of Nisan. Trace this. There is no way that Jesus could have died in AD 30 because Passover is on Wednesday in AD 30 and not Friday. And those that can see, and accept the written Word of God, know that Jesus died on the date of preparation of Passover.

I bet Chris just sits around smiling, knowing that he can put out any piece of false information he wants and the blind slurp it up like syrup. It doesn't seem to matter if it agrees with the written Word of God or not, the blind can't see no matter how clear the Word is.

"Seventy weeks are determined..."

Straight from the Word.

The blind can't see it.

But it's a fact.

 

[The Light]

"Seventy weeks are determined..."

Straight from the Word.

The blind can't see it.

But it's a fact.

And Messiah was cut off after the 69th week. Still one more week to go. But don't worry He will only appear to those looking for Him. You can hang around and see what happens.

 

[Zao is life]

You deny the word can refer to a royal crown while I accept all of it's definitions. It can refer to the non-royal type of crown but that is not it's only meaning.

So the sense for which it's used in all the New Testament verses I quoted doesn't matter to you, because you want to interpret it as a royal crown in just one verse - Revelation 6:2, despite all the evidence, i.e the fact that the same word is used for the crown of victory in Christ in all the other verses.

OK.

 

[Zao is life]

And Messiah was cut off after the 69th week. Still one more week to go. But don't worry He will only appear to those looking for Him. You can hang around and see what happens.

Chris' thread and its subject is a treasure which to me shouldn't disappear quickly into obscurity into Page 2 in the list of threads, so I enjoy it every time I see you standing on that rock that your ship got so well and truly wrecked on shouting, "My ship's still sailing! My ship's still sailing!", bumping this thread back to the top of the list of threads where it belongs.

Which is also why I respond to your posts when I do.

So after you yet again posted something showing that you don't understand the meaning of the word after, I posted a reply.

 

[ewq1938]

So the sense for which it's used in all the New Testament verses I quoted doesn't matter to you, because you want to interpret it as a royal crown in just one verse.

I have done ZERO interpreting. I have cited definitions from scholarly sources. Christ is the King of Kings, the most royal person, and he wears a STEPHANOS.

You are just defending your own doctrinal bias, ignoring scholarly sources. That won't get you far.

 

[Zao is life]

Oh......my. Ummmm. Chris date traced???? Kind of like he date traced, from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, to Messiah the prince using the wrong decree. Or date traced from the 15th year of Tiberius using the wrong date. Or date traced the Passover when Jesus died using the 15th of Nisan instead of the 14th of Nisan. Trace this. There is no way that Jesus could have died in AD 30 because Passover is on Wednesday in AD 30 and not Friday. And those that can see, and accept the written Word of God, know that Jesus died on the date of preparation of Passover.

I bet Chris just sits around smiling, knowing that he can put out any piece of false information he wants and the blind slurp it up like syrup. It doesn't seem to matter if it agrees with the written Word of God or not, the blind can't see no matter how clear the Word is.

Those who can read know what the written Word of God means by Passover and Unleavened Bread. It's astonishing - baffling - almost unbelievable - that you keep arguing with such a tone of anger and displaying such a lack of interest in what the gospels are saying compared to what you would have preferred them to to be saying, just because you so loathe to be wrong.

 

[Zao is life]

I have done ZERO interpreting. I have cited definitions from scholarly sources. Christ is the King of Kings, the most royal person, and he wears a STEPHANOS.

You are just defending your own doctrinal bias, ignoring scholarly sources. That won't get you far.

Christ wears a stephanos in Revelation 14 where He is called the Son of man. He wears many diadema in Revelation 19 where He is called the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. It's not surprising at all that His servants, whose victory and crown of honor is in Him, wear stephanos too. @ewq1938 By the way, you made it 100% obvious that you're ignoring the meaning of stephanos as shown by the scholars you quote. A royal badge is like a scout badge. A scout badge is given to someone by a scout master. A royal badge is given to someone by a royal.

 

[ewq1938]

Christ wears a stephanos in Revelation 14 where He is called the Son of man. He wears many diadema in Revelation 19 where He is called the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

Rev 14 is one of several depictions of the second coming and he is the King of kings there with his royal Stephanos crown. You are the only one ignoring what stephanos can mean, not me, since I know it can mean a non-royal crown but I also understand it can mean a royal crown.

 

[Zao is life]

I have done ZERO interpreting. I have cited definitions from scholarly sources. Christ is the King of Kings, the most royal person, and he wears a STEPHANOS.

You are just defending your own doctrinal bias, ignoring scholarly sources. That won't get you far.

Those very sources tell you what the origin and meaning of the stephanos crown is. And you just ignored the fact that Christ also wears many diadema in Revelation 19. Flatly ignored it.

Once you stop flatly ignoring the fact that the scholars you quote state exactly what I said regarding the stephanos, then maybe you will realize why Christ is the only one who is seen wearing both a (one) stephanos where He is called the Son of man in Revelation 14, and yet also wearing many diadema in Revelation 19 where He is called King of kings and Lord of lords.

But it will go straight over your head because you want the gospel horse to be the antichrist horse in Revelation 6.

 

[covenantee]

And Messiah was cut off after the 69th week. Still one more week to go. But don't worry He will only appear to those looking for Him. You can hang around and see what happens.

He appeared long ago at Calvary in the midst of the 70th week. Those who have believed on Him for the past more than 2,000 years have seen what happened then and there to deliver them from sin. Praise God.

 

[Zao is life]

Rev 14 is one of several depictions of the second coming and he is the King of kings there with his royal Stephanos crown. You are the only one ignoring what stephanos can mean, not me, since I know it can mean a non-royal crown but I also understand it can mean a royal crown.

He is not called King of kings in Revelation 14:14. He is called one like the Son of man.

@ewq1938 The Son of man = the representative of man. In His human form He earned His stephanos crown. As God He is King of kings and Lord of lords and wears many diadema - the crown of kings. A diadem is a royal crown. Revelation 19:12 and Revelation 19:16.

@ewq1938 In Revelation 14:14-20 the Son of man is coming in judgment because God the Father has appointed a day in which He is going to judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He appointed, having given proof to all by raising Him from the dead. Acts 17:31. He comes as King of all kings and Lord of all lords in Revelation 19.

Jesus is the only one in the entire New Testament to wear both types of crown.