What Satan Doesn't Want You to Know
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You will never get the victory over sin until you have the freedom to sin.
1stCenturyLady
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The Freedom TO sin is a DOCTRINE OF DEMONS. Which means you are probably Calvanist. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Jesus died to take away all desire to sin. He made us a new creation. The Bible doesn't say anywhere that we are free TO sin. It says we are free FROM sin. Romans 6:6-7, 22 Demons teach the opposite of the truth, and those who love sin choose teachers that teach what they want to hear.
I am afraid that you don't believe the Gospel.
Where there is no law there is no transgression, Romans 4:15. There is no law for believers, because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. To everyone that believes the Gospel. The reason that we sin is because of the law, Romans 7:7-10. The law promotes sin. The more holy you try to be, the more you will sin.
1stCenturyLady
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Chapter four is in the middle of an eight chapter teaching that you just took out of context. Here is the reason why we are no longer under the law:
Galatians 3:19-25
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
It all has to do with transgressions - our sins. GOD HATES SIN. He didn't send Jesus so you could sin your head off. 1 John 3:5-9 is the truth.
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
amigo de christo
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What a lie my friend . JESUS came to set us free FROM SIN not TO SIN . sorry bud that lie wont be bought by this lamb .
Jesus has ALREADY atoned for all sin. Jesus has ALREADY fulfilled the law and abolished it, Ephesians 2:15. You do not seem able to believe that, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Nor do you believe that, "Where there is no law there is no sin" Romans 4:15. If you believed these things you would not be concerned about sin. Of course that would ruin your fun.
1stCenturyLady
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The problem was still SIN. Jesus TOOK AWAY our sin so there would be NO NEED FOR THE LAW. You seem to believe the Law was bad. NO! It was sin. So Jesus took sin out of our NATURE! That is the "Old Man."
God can find no sin in one that confesses with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 10:9. You are mixing New Covenant theology with Old Covenant law and religion. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all written under the Old Covenant. Under the New Covenant God sees his people as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. Simply because... "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Where there is no law, there is no sin, Romans 4:15. You need to give up your sin fight and enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. If you are a real Christian, you cannot sin because there is no law to sin against.
Nope. As long as we are still here on this sinful planet in our Adamic bodies, we will sin, Romans 8:23. You don't seem to be aware of the fact that the law is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12. Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin?
1stCenturyLady
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Robert we are made up of spirit, soul and body. 1 Thess. 5:23. The spirit and soul are our mind and conscience where the New Covenant has the laws written there so we will naturally be righteous. Why only them, and not our body also? Because to take away our sin all that had to be crucified with Christ was our spirit and soul. They are the puppet masters of the body. The body only does what the mind and conscience tell it to do so we can still be sinless with these bodies. The reason we cry out for the redemption of our body is because they grow old and, I can tell you - I am in pain at 76 and look for Jesus to come any day.
There are two types of sin, and Jesus takes care of both. First the moral sins are taken out of our nature, such as murder and theft to make us sinless and righteous, and then He helps mature the fruit of the Spirit to make us perfect and holy. Romans 8:29-30 we are being conformed to the likeness of Jesus. Did Jesus sin because God thought it was okay?
If you are waiting for your body to die to take away your sin it will be too late, and demons know that. Right now you are being taught by demons in your mind. The state you are when you die is the state you will remain to be judged.
Revelation 22:11
11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
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There are no one "good" on this planet.
Psa_14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa_53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ecc_4:8 There is one alone, and there is not a second; yea, he hath neither child nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail.
Ecc_6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
Rom_3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
"Perfect" (NASB) means "mature" (NIV, Gr. teleios), not sinless.
In Php_3:12 Paul used the same root word and claimed he was not perfect.
Probably there he meant that he was not absolutely perfect or mature, and here he meant that he was relatively mature compared to the immature. [Note: See Müller, p. 125.] He may have been using "perfect" here somewhat ironically.
". . . for the time being true Christian perfection 'consists only in striving for perfection.'" [Note: Hawthorne, p. 158.]
"I may attain" Here again is the dialectical or paradoxical model of Paul's theology. Paul knew he was a Christian and that as Christ was raised by the Spirit so he would also be raised (cf. Rom. 8:9-11). However, Paul saw salvation not only as a past completed event (cf. Acts 15:11; Rom. 8:24; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5), but also an ongoing process (cf. 1 Cor. 1:18; 15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15) and ultimately in a future consummation (cf. Rom. 5:9,10; 10:9; 1 Cor. 3:15; Phil. 1:28; 1 Thess. 5:8-9; Heb. 1:14; 9:28). Christianity is resting in the character and gift of God in Christ and an aggressive, constant, vigorous life of grateful service to God (cf. Eph. 2:8-9 and 10). George E. Ladd's A Theology of the New Testament, pp. 521-522, has a good discussion on this subject.
"I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet"
This is a Perfect active infinitive. This term is used three times in Phil. 3:12-13. Paul strove to be mature in Christ but he knew that he fell short of Christlike maturity (cf. Romans 7). Yet the great truth of the gospel is that in Christ he (and all believers) were already complete (justified and sanctified, cf. Rom. 8:29-30).
The terms "regard," "impute," or "reckon" (cf. Rom 4:3; 6:11; 1 Cor. 13:5) all refer to a mental affirmation whereby fallen mankind understands the gospel and chooses to live in light of its new truth and new worldview in Christ!
There is a manuscript variation in this sentence with the word "yet" versus "not." The ancient texts are split between these two options. The best explanation is that scribes changed Paul's "not" to "not yet" because they perhaps thought he was being too modest. Like most manuscript variations this affects interpretation very little.
"as many as are perfect"
This is the same term "perfect" as Phil. 3:12 but Paul is using it in two different senses. Christians can be mature without being sinless (cf. 1 Cor. 2:6; 14:20; Eph. 4:13; Heb. 5:14; 6:1).
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:[mature] yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect [mature] man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
J.
Perfectly perfect, and understandable post on the term of a mature , " perfect" believer !
Thank you, Johann.
These that think they can be perfectly sinless are believing a delusion! Yet they are really quick to point out the " sins" of others.....lol
In regards to the OP, satan does not want one to KNOW intimately, on a PERSONAL level, Jesus Christ nor God's word as the standard of living for believers !
If God sees us as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. Then what more do you need? I am not concerned about sin, sin has ALREADY been dealt with in the person of Jesus Christ. Rest in that, Hebrews 4:10.
1stCenturyLady
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That is fine for you as long as we see the evidence, but you are spreading this license to sin on an open forum!
As my dear friend @amigo de christo would say.......
Sinners gonna do what sinners gonna do, but......as for me and my house, I'll serve and praise the Lord and keep to the word, er word he says
1 John
17 All unrighteousness is sin:..................
amigo de christo
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As my dear friend @amigo de christo would say.......
Sinners gonna do what sinners gonna do, but......as for me and my house, I'll serve and praise the Lord and keep to the word, er word he says
1 John
17 All unrighteousness is sin:..................
the lambs dance and sing to only one SONG. THE SONG OF TRUTH OF THE LAMB .JESUS is not the minstir of sin . Rather he came to FREE US FROM SIN not TO SIN but FROM SIN .
and lambs gonna do one thing from the voice of the stranger .
now look real closely at this next emoji . cause it is what a lamb does FROM the voice of any stranger .
THEY FLEE IT . JESUS HAS THE LAMBS , in the BIBLE we will stay and HE ALONE shall we follow .If Jesus had not ALREADY dealt with sins of humanity he would not be in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. Worse yet, if there was one sin not atoned for Jesus would still be laying in Joseph's new tomb and we would all be without hope in our sins. So, the sin question has been settled. If you are lying, stealing and cheating or maybe you are fornicating or doing the adultery thing. Stop. Don't drag Jesus into the muck and mire of humanity. Because Christians are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, they are able to live holy lives. We are still here on this planet to be witnesses for Christ and his Gospel.
amigo de christo
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Well we need to read . as in the bible and take heed to what JESUS taught and later the apostels taught .
WHAT DID paul remind the church about in several places i might add .
WHO WE OBEY , WHO WE SERVE , IS WHOSE we ARE .
GOD wont be mocked either . If a man cometh and hollers oh i do believe in JESUS CHRIST
and yet walks in and embraces their sin , THEY AS LOST as i once was when i did the same . I DIDNT KNOW HIM my friend .
Heart was far from HIM my friend . DO remember that the next time you see preachers up on stage
dancing on dollar bills and preaching the prosperity gospel .
DO remember that the next time you see a church embracing the rainbow flag and calling it love .
THEY DONT KNOW HIM . NEITHER DID I . ITS TIME to make biblical correction GREAT AGAIN my friend
and its HIGH TIME to preach ALL the words of CHRIST , all the words in the letters of the apostels IN CHURHES AGAIN
and its time to NOT OMIT what follows those IFS or any word , rather take heed to and learn them well .
