What People Don't Realize

[Lambano]

... but I'm not sure Jesus would.

Being obedient to God's calling cost Jesus His life. And He's warning us that we can expect the same if we follow Him. "You will be hated by everybody for My name's sake" (Matthew 10:22). So, I would be highly reluctant to claim that we should expect a happy life if we obey God's commandments.

 

[Bob Estey]

Do you realize that this is the terminal generation?

2 Timothy 3:1
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:

Do you believe prophecies come true for all of us at the same moment, or do you believe each of us experiences the fulfillment of prophecies individually at times appointed by the Lord?

 

[Jack]

Do you believe prophecies come true for all of us at the same moment, or do you believe each of us experiences the fulfillment of prophecies individually at times appointed by the Lord?

Several are coming to pass right now!

 

[Bob Estey]

Several are coming to pass right now!

So I would take that to mean that you think we all experience the prophecies at the same time, as opposed to experiencing them individually at different times.

 

[Jack]

So I would take that to mean that you think we all experience the prophecies at the same time, as opposed to experiencing them individually at different times.

What is your point?

 

[Bob Estey]

What is your point?

I'm just curious if you've ever contemplated the possibility that Bible prophecy might be a personal thing. In other words, something might happen in your personal life, and then you will remember a Bible prophecy that closely describes what you went through.

 

[Jack]

I'm just curious if you've ever contemplated the possibility that Bible prophecy might be a personal thing. In other words, something might happen in your personal life, and then you will remember a Bible prophecy that closely describes what you went through.

I know that Satan's ministers have filled America. That's why we have thousands of 'Christian' churches with drastically different beliefs.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

Churches are filled with people who sit and listen to a minister but are too LAZY to study the Bible for themselves, and thereby will burn in Hell!

 

[Bob Estey]

I know that Satan's ministers have filled America. That's why we have thousands of 'Christian' churches with drastically different beliefs.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

Churches are filled with people who sit and listen to a minister but are too LAZY to study the Bible for themselves, and thereby will burn in Hell!

You might recall that Satan rules the world (1 John 5:19) and is the father of lies (John 8:44). I might add he is the most subtle of God's creations (Genesis 3:1). I suspect he really enjoys leading churches astray.

You and I have to be careful that we are not let astray.

 

[Ezra]

How do we achieve peace of mind? Here's how: Matthew 4:17

Isaiah 26:3​

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.” it takes a spiritual mind by following.

Colossians 3
3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: mortify put to death crucified with Christ a spiritual mind is a mind developed . which is a on going process



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[ElieG12]

I think a lot of people fail to realize that the Lord's commandments are meant to bring us happiness in this lifetime - we don't have to wait.

That notion stands in stark contrast to the accounts of life experienced by first-century Christians. They endured slander, persecution, frequent hunger, ridicule, confinement, and confronted falsehoods from influential adversaries, much like Jesus did...

Jesus explicitly warned them about the immense suffering they would endure for their faith. He had warned them about a "cup" of suffering they were destined to partake in.

Numerous of his followers met their end through various brutal methods: decapitation, nailed to poles, incineration, devoured by ferocious animals... Is it correct to claim that the aim of Christianity is to lead a joyful existence "in this lifetime"?

You are suggesting that a Christian's life is free from troubles, filled with happiness and contentment. Based on your perspective, they lacked understanding of something you believe you comprehend more fully than they did.

Whom should we trust? Who do you think you are? Aren't you the one who doesn't realize the truth?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Death only to those who disobey them.

No. to all. the commandments were never given to saver, but to show one cannot be good enough to be saved.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The wages of sin is death, and sin is the transgression of the law. It's only sinners who are subject to the curse of the law, and die. Those born again who are forgiven, who live according to the Spirit and obey the commandments by the power of God and trust in Christ as their substitute as the Lamb of God, and in whom the righteousness of the law is fulfilled, (Romans 8:5) are resurrected and live forever.

YOu have seemed to make tryst in Jesus and obey the law as the requirements for salvation. that is not the bible.

 

[Bob Estey]

That notion stands in stark contrast to the accounts of life experienced by first-century Christians. They endured slander, persecution, frequent hunger, ridicule, confinement, and confronted falsehoods from influential adversaries, much like Jesus did...

Jesus explicitly warned them about the immense suffering they would endure for their faith. He had warned them about a "cup" of suffering they were destined to partake in.

Numerous of his followers met their end through various brutal methods: decapitation, nailed to poles, incineration, devoured by ferocious animals... Is it correct to claim that the aim of Christianity is to lead a joyful existence "in this lifetime"?

You are suggesting that a Christian's life is free from troubles, filled with happiness and contentment. Based on your perspective, they lacked understanding of something you believe you comprehend more fully than they did.

Whom should we trust? Who do you think you are? Aren't you the one who doesn't realize the truth?

It's about peace of mind. When you obey the Lord, you have peace of mind. That is because sin always brings trouble into our lives.

 

[ElieG12]

It's about peace of mind. When you obey the Lord, you have peace of mind. That is because sin always brings trouble into our lives.

"When you obey the Lord, you have peace of mind"
is not the same as
"the Lord's commandments are meant to bring us happiness in this lifetime".

PEACE OF MIND is not equal to HAPPINESS.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think a lot of people fail to realize that the Lord's commandments are meant to bring us happiness in this lifetime - we don't have to wait.

Greetings, Bob!

There is a scripture which states, "You will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on You." I think that says a lot. No matter what we are going through, even trials, tribulations, sufferings and loss, if we keep our mind focused on His promises, things never seem so bad as they did before.

Blessings, and I think your OP makes a good point.

 

[Bob Estey]

"When you obey the Lord, you have peace of mind"
is not the same as
"the Lord's commandments are meant to bring us happiness in this lifetime".

PEACE OF MIND is not equal to HAPPINESS.

I would equate happiness with peace of mind. I think obedience will bring both.

 

[Brakelite]

The first 3 fruit are love, joy, and peace. Along with the other 6, these absolutely are to be obtained in this life, and yes, obedience to the commandments of God have a vital role in this.

 

[Brakelite]

No. to all. the commandments were never given to saver, but to show one cannot be good enough to be saved.

What kind of an answer is that to the truth that the wages of sin is death? Sin is the transgression of the law. So when you say

Well as the ten written in stone minister death, I do not think we should focus on those at all.

9of the 10 are carried over. Ordinances, decrees statutes and the like are all commands. Just with a different name.

I would respond that the law does not bring death upon anyone. Sinning against that law... that is what brings death. Now please point out what I have said that is in error in the following...

The wages of sin is death, and sin is the transgression of the law. It's only sinners who are subject to the curse of the law, and die. Those born again who are forgiven, who live according to the Spirit and obey the commandments by the power of God and trust in Christ as their substitute as the Lamb of God, and in whom the righteousness of the law is fulfilled, (Romans 8:5) are resurrected and live forever.

Note, i did not say that obedience brings salvation. I am saying disobedience brings death. Am I wrong?

 

[Brakelite]

@Ronald Nolette
You are denigrating the law as if there is something wrong with it, and we need to be afraid of it so we should ignore it. Yet the scriptures say exactly the opposite. Paul said they are holy, just, and good. David repeatedly exalted the law. And prophecy stared that Messiah would exalt the law and make it honourable.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What kind of an answer is that to the truth that the wages of sin is death? Sin is the transgression of the law. So when you say

But as Paul wrote often in most of his epistles-
1 the commandments in stone minister death
2 the law was a schoolmaster till faith came
3. the law never made anyone righteous
4. the law convicts us of sin
5. now that faith has come we are no longer under teh schoolmaster of the law.
6. we are saved by grace through faith, not by the deeds of the law.

I would respond that the law does not bring death upon anyone. Sinning against that law... that is what brings death. Now please point out what I have said that is in error in the following...

Then you are at odds with the inhspired Scripture writer and apostle Paul.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

what was written in stone (the 10 commandments) are a ministration of death, not life.

Note, i did not say that obedience brings salvation. I am saying disobedience brings death. Am I wrong?

sin brings death, but Jesus brings life eternal when one trusts in His death and resurrection for the full payment of their sin.