What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

[Preacher4Truth]

I scanned this article. It looks very good. The author documents what he says using LDS materials.

It certainly is. Imagine a true Christian denying the documented Bible as their source of faith and practice. Mormons are notorious for denying their documented beliefs yet spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to lip sync Christian jargon to appear to have the same Christ. Quite odd coming from a sect that came about to correct the "apostate" church, but now they believe what we do.

 

[Enoch111]

Now she's claiming that, when we state it as fact, it is "completely inaccurate"

How can something be "completely inaccurate" when it is directly and accurately quoted from published authoritative sources of the LDS Church?

I know for a fact that the Book of Abraham -- which is Scripture for Mormons as within The Pearl of Great Price -- has three Gods involved with creation.

Introduction

THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE
A SELECTION FROM THE REVELATIONS,TRANSLATIONS, AND NARRATIONS OF JOSEPH SMITH, FIRST PROPHET, SEER, AND REVELATOR TO THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

The contents are as follows:
1. Selections from the Book of Moses.
2. The Book of Abraham*.
3. Joseph Smith—Matthew.
4. Joseph Smith—History.
5. The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

*The Book of Abraham. An inspired translation of the writings of Abraham. Joseph Smith began the translation in 1835 after obtaining some Egyptian papyri. The translation was published serially in the Times and Seasons beginning March 1, 1842, at Nauvoo, Illinois.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Again, your telling me

Nope, you've told yourself that. This isn't the thread for your subject of false accusations. Open a thread on it, share your straw man arguments and I will refute anything you say.

You know, just like on whatever thread you respond to.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The LDS church teaches that as the Bible has been transmitted over the centuries it has “suffered the loss of many plain and precious parts.”

What you quote here is not a matter of minor changes to the Bible!

Do you believe that the Book of Mormon is the inspired word of God??

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I scanned this article. It looks very good. The author documents what he says using LDS materials.

Here are a bunch of "lies" aka documentable facts about the Mormon sect, because, you know, everyone lies about them and are out to get them.

9 Things You Should Know About Mormonism

1) So...
2) So...
3) Protestant also believe that properly translating the Bible is important and that there are correct interpretations of it.
4) If you want to stone me for being among the >75% of Christians that reject Sola Scriptura, go ahead.
5) Yep, LDS Christians do believe that God doesn't change and still talks to His people via revelation.
6) This point is inaccurate. We've already beaten that horse dead and deader and deader, so I won't belabor the point further.
7) This is also inaccurate.
8) Inaccurate and lacking a lot of the big (and small picture) for proper understanding.

I've expressed my concerns, have given documentable facts as have others, yet you deny even the official teachings of your sect.

The Christ of Mormonism is not the Christ of Scripture. Satan has convinced many it is true because he has mixed a few truths and has coupled a false created Christ to them.

It certainly is. Imagine a true Christian denying the documented Bible as their source of faith and practice. Mormons are notorious for denying their documented beliefs yet spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to lip sync Christian jargon to appear to have the same Christ. Quite odd coming from a sect that came about to correct the "apostate" church, but now they believe what we do.

Frankly, I am interpreting your responses as you're not really going to listen to me.

I scanned this article. It looks very good. The author documents what he says using LDS materials.

Note an agenda driven person can take someone's material and completely skew it.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

How can something be "completely inaccurate" when it is directly and accurately quoted from published authoritative sources of the LDS Church?

I know for a fact that the Book of Abraham -- which is Scripture for Mormons as within The Pearl of Great Price -- has three Gods involved with creation.

Introduction

THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE
A SELECTION FROM THE REVELATIONS,TRANSLATIONS, AND NARRATIONS OF JOSEPH SMITH, FIRST PROPHET, SEER, AND REVELATOR TO THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

The contents are as follows:
1. Selections from the Book of Moses.
2. The Book of Abraham*.
3. Joseph Smith—Matthew.
4. Joseph Smith—History.
5. The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

*The Book of Abraham. An inspired translation of the writings of Abraham. Joseph Smith began the translation in 1835 after obtaining some Egyptian papyri. The translation was published serially in the Times and Seasons beginning March 1, 1842, at Nauvoo, Illinois.

Yeah, three separate gods.... Hmm

 

[Jane_Doe22]

How can something be "completely inaccurate" when it is directly and accurately quoted from published authoritative sources of the LDS Church?

I know for a fact that the Book of Abraham -- which is Scripture for Mormons as within The Pearl of Great Price -- has three Gods involved with creation.

The Book of Genesis also uses plural language for describing the creation.

 

[Grailhunter]

Nope, you've told yourself that. This isn't the thread for your subject of false accusations. Open a thread on it, share your straw man arguments and I will refute anything you say.

You know, just like on whatever thread you respond to.

Your denomination is the one that spread false accusations about God. And then you have the audacity to question their divine beliefs. You represent the anti-gospel, spoke by the anti-Christ.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yeah, three separate gods.

3 different divine persons, one God. Same as Trinitarians in that regard. The difference is when you talk about *how* they are one (again, LDS Christians reject the Athanasian Creed and it's answer to that).

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Your denomination is the one that spread false accusations about God. And then you have the audacity to question their divine beliefs. You represent the anti-gospel, spoke by the anti-Christ.

"Divine beliefs?" So, you do believe the book of Mormon is divinely inspired?

 

[Grailhunter]

Yeah, three separate gods.... Hmm

Ya, they crucified God the Father and God the Holy Spirit on the cross, and Christ was talking to Himself in the garden.

 

[Enoch111]

The Book of Genesis also uses plural language for describing the creation.

The Hebrew word "Elohim" in Genesis is clearly a uni-plural word consistently translated in the singular as "God" -- the one true living God.

Never as "Gods". Since there aren't three Gods within the Godhead, but three divine Persons and ONLY ONE GOD. This is the triune Godhead revealed in Scripture.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7 KJV)

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Ya, they crucified God the Father and God the Holy Spirit on the cross, and Christ was talking to Himself in the garden.

The saying goes that the third time's a charm (or something silly like that).

So, I'll ask you this for the third time: Do you believe that the Book of Mormon is the inspired word of God?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The Hebrew word "Elohim" in Genesis is clearly a uni-plural word consistently translated in the singular as "God" -- the one true living God.

Never as "Gods". Since there aren't three Gods within the Godhead, but three divine Persons and ONLY ONE GOD. This is the triune Godhead revealed in Scripture.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7 KJV)

LDS Christians 100% believe that these 3 are 1.

If you want to talk about difference here, then we can talk about the Athanasian Creed (~500 AD) and consubstantiality. < That is the actual difference.

 

[Grailhunter]

I do not know for sure. I do believe in modern revelation. But I do know that they believe in Christ and have right to what they believe.

2000 years of divine activity. Probably going to have some updates. They are not the only ones, years back there was a preacher that told of a story of angels visiting his home and going through the events in the bible. I do not believe that God has done nothing for 2000 years.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I do not know for sure. I do believe in modern revelation. But I do know that they believe in Christ and have right to what they believe.

2000 years of divine activity. Probably going to have some updates. They are not the only ones, years back there was a preacher that told of a story of angels visiting his home and going through the events in the bible. I do not believe that God has done nothing for 2000 years.

Don't you think you had better find out??? I mean, if you want to go to the highest heaven? Because if you don't toe the LDS line, you ain't getting there according to their doctrine.

And again, you insist on implying inaccurately that I believe that God has been inactive for the last 2000 years! Sheesh!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I mean, if you want to go to the highest heaven? Because if you don't tow the LDS line, you ain't getting there according to their doctrine.

Once again, the above is inaccurate.

 

[Giuliano]

Again, your telling me that the blood thirsty mind control puppet master that play Satan is the God of the scriptures. What would be the worst cult, one that would slander the character of God, to edify themselves. The god you bend the knee to, by your own description has the character of Satan.

The LDS church teaches that as the Bible has been transmitted over the centuries it has “suffered the loss of many plain and precious parts.” They believe the Bible to be the word of God “as far as it is translated correctly” and that the “most reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by comparing different texts.....
Well, in way they are right, The KJV as well as many other translations have over 30,000 additions, alterations, deletions.

Most of those variations are in the New Testament since the Jews took greater care with their books. I doubt you would find one Hebrew text that reads "Son of Righteousness" in Malachi 4:2, yet that is how Joseph Smith rendered it.

3 Nephi 25:2 The Son of Righteousness Shall Arise with Healing in His Wings:

https://stepbystep.alancminer.com/3_nephi_25

According to John Pratt, a clear example of the rising sun representing Christ is the prophecy that unto the righteous "shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings." (Malachi 4:2) This reference to the sun so clearly meant Christ that the phrase "Son of Righteousness" is interchangeable with it. (see 3 Nephi 25:2; 2 Nephi 26:9) Nephi pointed out that Christ would rise "with healing in his wings" at His resurrection. (see 2 Nephi 25:13) Mark wrote that when the women arrived at the tomb, the sun had risen, and Christ also had risen (see Mark 16:2,9).

This explanation makes me smile, to say the least. Only someone writing in English would make that mistake, hearing "Sun" but thinking it was "Son". The words in Hebrew aren't remotely the same; and I really doubt that whatever language Smith claimed to be translating from would have them the same.

Mark is not clear about the exact time:

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
. . . .
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

We learn elsewhere that he did not rise at sunrise but was already risen before that.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
. . . .
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Let's face it. Smith goofed, and Pratt's explanation only adds another error. by making another assertion that contradicts the Biblical accounts.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Once again, the above is inaccurate.

Is this accurate?

There are three degrees of glory in heaven:​

• Celestial Glory
  Reserved for the most obedient Mormons, those who were priests, married in LDS temples, etc., among other works. This level has full access to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Mormons who obtain this level become their own gods: conceiving spirit babies and populating planets.
• Terrestrial Glory
  Reserved for good people, including Mormons who did not quite live up to expectations. There is no access to Heavenly Father here, only Jesus Christ.
• Telestial Glory
  The lowest of glories reserved for those who come out of spirit prison.

Source: Salvation - | - Mormon Handbook

 

[Jane_Doe22]

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Hi Giuliano, I'm sorry, I forgot to respond to your post earlier with all the other posts. I'll go back and try to find it now to respond to.