I’ll probably have to let this one set for a while. a few things I do want to say is first I’m not saying “loss” is about salvation status. I only meant there is going to be loss because I’ve felt it too. Like the verse in (I get it was written to the twelve tribes but it’s helpful imo for our learning) James 1:2-4
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations; [3] Knowing this, that the trying of your faith works patience. [4] But let patience have her perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
I’ve heard to be careful in praying for patience. That learning patience is no fun but painful.
I reread what I wrote "I believe every thing built upon the foundation that is not of Christ will suffer loss.” I can see how that sounds like I meant it’s unbelievers (what’s not of Christ) that suffers loss. I didn’t mean it that way but instead what remains in believers that is not of Him is done away with.
I used Paul as an example because of how he spoke on all his fleshly accomplishments-how he spelled those fleshly accomplishments out for us. I see that as the wood, hay, and stubble. For example if I wanted to list all the theological achievements I have obtained. All the schooling and degrees I have achieved. All the doctrinal mountains I’ve climbed …none of that true but only an example. If I had all that backing my name as an authority or Voice qualified to be heard …what I hear Paul saying is that is all dung. Same applies to fleshly opinions and what I think I’ve achieved…so if you think I’m saying we add to our salvation status. That’s not true. all I’m saying is there will be loss. “He who suffers in the flesh has cease from sin”? A giving up ‘putting off. of something, gaining something better.
Maybe that doesn’t answer your comment very well. What I meant mostly is what I have been instructed or heard: is the one who suffers loss of his works being burned, and is he himself saved, even as by fire.
^is those unbelievers destroyed by fire-questioning what “he himself saved by fire—means. See what I’ve heard is suggesting believers don’t suffer the loss of their works burned by fire.
But as you said I don’t think it’s unbelievers in “if any man suffers the loss” “he himself will be saved” “even as by fire” 1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
I do still believe Paul spoke of the loss of all things —but counted those things dung to win Christ.
I really did not understand why you applied Paul's 'loss' of his self-righteous works in Philippians with this main topic? It has nothing to do with it.
This is a different path you found and now has stepped it..
In Phil 3:5-6,
(Php 3:4) Though I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If any other man thinks to have confidence in the flesh,
I yet more.
(Php 3:5) Circumcised the eighth day,
of Israelite stock, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews.
As touching the law, a Pharisee.
(Php 3:6) As touching zeal,
persecuting the church. As touching the righteousness which is
in the law, found blameless.
Paul considered his Pharisaic works as a 'gain' to win the law, and never considered Christ as any 'gain' until he met Christ, and then he realized what his previous works really meant.
Paul is reflecting on his works under the law and when he persecuted Christ's followers whilst under the law.. Now that he is under Christ, these previous works counted as trash, useless as a 'loss' not a gain to 'win' Christ. He explained the difference clearly. Under the law his works were considered lawful get self-righteous and was a 'gain.'. Under Christ, 'gain' means works of the righteousness of God NOT the LAW.
So it pains Paul to reflect on his previous life and regrets it dearly.
Thus:
(Php 3:7) However,
what things were gain to me, these have I counted loss for Christ.
(Php 3:8) Yes indeed, I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom
I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ,
(Php 3:9) and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of my own which is of the law, but which is
through faith in Christ- the righteousness which is from God by faith;
No do not carried away with these translated word 'all things.' It meant the things he did in his persecution of the Church only. Paul is NOT speaking of any 'loss' or works under Christ!
