What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Johann]

No – he’s engaging in heresy – not valid, Biblical practice.

There is Biblical precedent for intercession (James 5:16, Rev. 8:5) and the Eucharist (John 6:53-56. Matt. 26:26–28; Mark 14:22–24; Luke 22:19–20; 1 Cor. 11:23–25)

No - and the Catholic Church never engaged in this practice, wither.

That was an abuse done by a few men in the Church like Johan Tetzel, who roamed the German countryside promoting this. It was condemned by the church.

If you’re going to be an anti-Catholic – at least TRY try to be an intelligent one and do your HOMEWORK . . .

Mary – Queen Mother

The Kingdom of Heaven is modeled after the Davidic Kingdom. We can see this from the references to Isaiah 22:20-22 when Jesus appointed Pe...

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Key Issues and Scripture References
Misapplication of Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19:

Claim: These passages are used to link the Davidic Kingdom structure to the Kingdom of Heaven, suggesting Mary as Queen Mother.
Appropriate Scripture: Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19 specifically pertain to the authority given to Peter, not to Mary. The "keys of the kingdom" refer to Peter’s role in the church's foundation, not to Mary’s status.
Role of the Gebirah in the Davidic Kingdom:

Claim: The Gebirah (queen mother) held a significant role in the Davidic Kingdom, and this is applied to Mary in heaven.
Scripture: The concept of the Gebirah is indeed present in the Old Testament, such as in 1 Kings 2:19-20, where Bathsheba is given a prominent position. However, there is no direct biblical basis that Mary is given the same title or role in the New Testament.
Fulfillment of Covenant Promises to David:

Claim: Jesus fulfills the Davidic covenant promises, and thus Mary should be seen in the role of the queen mother.
Appropriate Scripture: While Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the covenant promises (2 Samuel 7:16, Luke 1:26-33), there is no indication that this fulfillment includes Mary being given the role of a queen mother in the New Testament writings.
Queen of Heaven:

Claim: Mary is referred to as the "Queen of Heaven," and this title is distinct from the pagan use found in Jeremiah.
Appropriate Scripture: Jeremiah 7:18 and 44:17-25 condemn the worship of the "queen of heaven," a pagan goddess. The New Testament does not use this title for Mary. Instead, Mary is honored as the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:42-48), but not elevated to a divine or regal status equivalent to the Old Testament queen mothers.
Biblical Honor and Intercession:

Claim: Mary, as the queen mother, should be honored and can intercede similarly to Bathsheba’s intercession for Adonijah (1 Kings 2:19-20).
Appropriate Scripture: While 1 Kings 2:19-20 illustrates a king's respect for his mother, the New Testament emphasis is on Christ as the sole mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The New Testament does not provide a basis for Mary’s intercessory role comparable to that of Old Testament queen mothers.
Summary
While the tradition of Mary as the "Queen Mother" is significant in Catholic theology, it does not have a direct scriptural basis. The Scriptures emphasize the unique and central role of Jesus Christ and His fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, but they do not extend this fulfillment to include Mary in the specific role of a queen mother. The titles and roles assigned to Mary in Catholic tradition are derived from theological interpretation rather than direct biblical evidence.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary – Queen Mother

The Kingdom of Heaven is modeled after the Davidic Kingdom. We can see this from the references to Isaiah 22:20-22 when Jesus appointed Pe...

catholicfaithfacts.blogspot.com

Key Issues and Scripture References
Misapplication of Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19:

Claim: These passages are used to link the Davidic Kingdom structure to the Kingdom of Heaven, suggesting Mary as Queen Mother.
Appropriate Scripture: Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19 specifically pertain to the authority given to Peter, not to Mary. The "keys of the kingdom" refer to Peter’s role in the church's foundation, not to Mary’s status.
Role of the Gebirah in the Davidic Kingdom:

Claim: The Gebirah (queen mother) held a significant role in the Davidic Kingdom, and this is applied to Mary in heaven.
Scripture: The concept of the Gebirah is indeed present in the Old Testament, such as in 1 Kings 2:19-20, where Bathsheba is given a prominent position. However, there is no direct biblical basis that Mary is given the same title or role in the New Testament.
Fulfillment of Covenant Promises to David:

Claim: Jesus fulfills the Davidic covenant promises, and thus Mary should be seen in the role of the queen mother.
Appropriate Scripture: While Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the covenant promises (2 Samuel 7:16, Luke 1:26-33), there is no indication that this fulfillment includes Mary being given the role of a queen mother in the New Testament writings.
Queen of Heaven:

Claim: Mary is referred to as the "Queen of Heaven," and this title is distinct from the pagan use found in Jeremiah.
Appropriate Scripture: Jeremiah 7:18 and 44:17-25 condemn the worship of the "queen of heaven," a pagan goddess. The New Testament does not use this title for Mary. Instead, Mary is honored as the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:42-48), but not elevated to a divine or regal status equivalent to the Old Testament queen mothers.
Biblical Honor and Intercession:

Claim: Mary, as the queen mother, should be honored and can intercede similarly to Bathsheba’s intercession for Adonijah (1 Kings 2:19-20).
Appropriate Scripture: While 1 Kings 2:19-20 illustrates a king's respect for his mother, the New Testament emphasis is on Christ as the sole mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The New Testament does not provide a basis for Mary’s intercessory role comparable to that of Old Testament queen mothers.
Summary
While the tradition of Mary as the "Queen Mother" is significant in Catholic theology, it does not have a direct scriptural basis. The Scriptures emphasize the unique and central role of Jesus Christ and His fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, but they do not extend this fulfillment to include Mary in the specific role of a queen mother. The titles and roles assigned to Mary in Catholic tradition are derived from theological interpretation rather than direct biblical evidence.

Are you serious??
The article specifically states that Isa. 22:20-22 and Matt. 16:18-19 refer to PETER - not Mary.

As for the NT NOT providing a basis for Mary’s intercessory role – your claim is based on your ignorance of the Gospel.

At the Wedding at Cana (John 2), Mary asked Jesus to help when the wine had run out. Even though it was not His time yet – He obeyed His mother’s wish and performed His first miracle.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[Truther]

I'm not surprised.
Your narration was just as confusedand wrong as your posts . . .

The scary thing is that you are teaching people all of your errors.
Those who teach will be judged ,ore harshly than those they lead astray (James 3:1-12).

And NOWHERE does Scripture even HINT at this nonsense.
You need to repent for perverting God's Word and tell your confuseddisciples that you were wrong.

"Jesus, Jr.", indeed . . .

So you are saying that we can inherit our fathers name, but Jesus cannot inherit his Father‘s name?

Are we better than he?

Also, the name of the son is not Jesus?

Also, the Holy Ghost was not sent in Jesus name after all? What other name was it sent in?

Also, Jesus is not holy and is not a spirit? Jesus is not a holy spirit?

 

[Johann]

Are you serious??
The article specifically states that Isa. 22:20-22 and Matt. 16:18-19 refer to PETER - not Mary.

As for the NT NOT providing a basis for Mary’s intercessory role – your claim is based on your ignorance of the Gospel.

At the Wedding at Cana (John 2), Mary asked Jesus to help when the wine had run out. Even though it was not His time yet – He obeyed His mother’s wish and performed His first miracle.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

You don't read properly--

Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19:
You are correct that these passages refer to Peter. The "keys to the kingdom" in Matthew 16:18-19 are indeed about Peter’s role in the church. Isaiah 22:20-22 is often linked typologically to Peter due to the imagery of keys and authority.

Mary’s Intercessory Role:
The story of the Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12) is often cited as evidence of Mary’s intercessory role.

Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12):

Event Description: Mary informs Jesus that the wine has run out, and Jesus responds that His hour has not yet come. Despite this, He performs the miracle of turning water into wine.
Intercession: Mary’s request can be seen as a form of intercession, where she brings a concern to Jesus, and He responds to her request.
Implications: While this event shows Mary bringing a need to Jesus and His subsequent action, it is not explicitly presented as establishing a formal role of Mary as an intercessor for all believers.
1 Timothy 2:5:

Text: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."
Interpretation: This verse emphasizes that Jesus is the sole mediator between God and humanity, suggesting that while others may intercede in prayer, the mediatory role is unique to Christ.
Mary’s Role in Scripture:

Honored Mother: Mary is honored as the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:42-48), and her role is significant in the Gospel narrative.
Discipleship: Mary is also depicted as a disciple who follows Jesus and is present at key moments, such as the crucifixion (John 19:25-27) and the early church (Acts 1:14).
Theological and Scriptural Analysis:
Typology and Tradition:

Typological Arguments: Typology involves seeing figures or events in the Old Testament as foreshadows of New Testament realities. While the Davidic Kingdom had a queen mother, the New Testament does not explicitly ascribe this role to Mary in the heavenly Kingdom.
Tradition: The Catholic tradition sees Mary’s role through the lens of typology and ecclesiastical tradition, viewing her as the Queen Mother in a spiritual sense, which is not directly derived from a single Scripture but from a synthesis of biblical themes and Church teaching.
Role of Mary in Catholic Theology:

Veneration: Mary is venerated as the Mother of God (Theotokos) and is given titles like "Queen of Heaven" based on theological development over centuries.
Intercession: Catholics believe in the communion of saints, where saints, including Mary, intercede for the faithful. This belief is rooted in tradition and the practice of the early Church.
Conclusion:
While the New Testament shows instances where Mary intercedes, such as at Cana, it does not explicitly establish a formal, ongoing intercessory role for Mary akin to that of Christ’s unique mediation. The title "Queen Mother" and the role of Mary as an intercessor are primarily rooted in Catholic tradition, which integrates biblical typology, Church Fathers' writings, and theological reflection.

To summarize, while the tradition of Mary as the Queen Mother is significant in Catholic theology and supported by typological and traditional arguments, it does not have a direct and explicit scriptural basis in the way presented. The role and titles given to Mary in Catholicism are derived from a broader interpretive framework that includes but is not limited to, the biblical text.

Get your act together.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you are saying that we can inherit our fathers name, but Jesus cannot inherit his Father‘s name?

Are we better than he?

Also, the name of the son is not Jesus?

Also, the Holy Ghost was not sent in Jesus name after all? What other name was it sent in?

Also, Jesus is not holy and is not a spirit? Jesus is not a holy spirit?

You don’t inherit God’s name.
WHO told you that? Or did you just invent that one, too?

And the Holy Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father AND the Son (John 14:16, 26; John15:26; John16:7) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't read properly--

Isaiah 22:20-22 and Matthew 16:18-19:
You are correct that these passages refer to Peter. The "keys to the kingdom" in Matthew 16:18-19 are indeed about Peter’s role in the church. Isaiah 22:20-22 is often linked typologically to Peter due to the imagery of keys and authority.

Mary’s Intercessory Role:
The story of the Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12) is often cited as evidence of Mary’s intercessory role.

Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12):

Event Description: Mary informs Jesus that the wine has run out, and Jesus responds that His hour has not yet come. Despite this, He performs the miracle of turning water into wine.
Intercession: Mary’s request can be seen as a form of intercession, where she brings a concern to Jesus, and He responds to her request.
Implications: While this event shows Mary bringing a need to Jesus and His subsequent action, it is not explicitly presented as establishing a formal role of Mary as an intercessor for all believers.
1 Timothy 2:5:

Text: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."
Interpretation: This verse emphasizes that Jesus is the sole mediator between God and humanity, suggesting that while others may intercede in prayer, the mediatory role is unique to Christ.
Mary’s Role in Scripture:

Honored Mother: Mary is honored as the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:42-48), and her role is significant in the Gospel narrative.
Discipleship: Mary is also depicted as a disciple who follows Jesus and is present at key moments, such as the crucifixion (John 19:25-27) and the early church (Acts 1:14).
Theological and Scriptural Analysis:
Typology and Tradition:

Typological Arguments: Typology involves seeing figures or events in the Old Testament as foreshadows of New Testament realities. While the Davidic Kingdom had a queen mother, the New Testament does not explicitly ascribe this role to Mary in the heavenly Kingdom.
Tradition: The Catholic tradition sees Mary’s role through the lens of typology and ecclesiastical tradition, viewing her as the Queen Mother in a spiritual sense, which is not directly derived from a single Scripture but from a synthesis of biblical themes and Church teaching.
Role of Mary in Catholic Theology:

Veneration: Mary is venerated as the Mother of God (Theotokos) and is given titles like "Queen of Heaven" based on theological development over centuries.
Intercession: Catholics believe in the communion of saints, where saints, including Mary, intercede for the faithful. This belief is rooted in tradition and the practice of the early Church.
Conclusion:
While the New Testament shows instances where Mary intercedes, such as at Cana, it does not explicitly establish a formal, ongoing intercessory role for Mary akin to that of Christ’s unique mediation. The title "Queen Mother" and the role of Mary as an intercessor are primarily rooted in Catholic tradition, which integrates biblical typology, Church Fathers' writings, and theological reflection.

To summarize, while the tradition of Mary as the Queen Mother is significant in Catholic theology and supported by typological and traditional arguments, it does not have a direct and explicit scriptural basis in the way presented. The role and titles given to Mary in Catholicism are derived from a broader interpretive framework that includes but is not limited to, the biblical text.

First of all – the Communion of Saints is NOT solely based on Tradition. Rom 15:30-32, 1 Cor. 12:18-20, 24-26, 2 Thess. 3:1, James 5:16, Heb. 12:1 and, Rev. 5:8 all point to this doctrine.

Secondly, to minimize Mary’s importance is just as dangerous as those who over-emphasize and deify her.

Finally – while you’re condemning Catholic doctrine for only implicit Scriptural basis and not explicit - show me the “EXPLICIT” Scriptural basis for the following Protestant beliefs and practices . . .
- Sola Scriptura
- Sola Fide
- Eternal Security
- A Pre-Trib “Rapture”
- Accepting Christ as personal Lord and Savior
- Imputed righteousness
- “Altar” calls

Get your act together.

I have my act together because I submit to Christ's supreme earthly Authority - His Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

 

[Truther]

You don’t inherit God’s name.
WHO told you that? Or did you just invent that one, too?

And the Holy Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father AND the Son (John 14:16, 26; John15:26; John16:7) . . .

Hebrews 1:4 says that Jesus received his name by inheritance.
Did he inherit it from somebody other than his Father?

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Please explain

 

[Johann]

First of all – the Communion of Saints is NOT solely based on Tradition. Rom 15:30-32, 1 Cor. 12:18-20, 24-26, 2 Thess. 3:1, James 5:16, Heb. 12:1 and, Rev. 5:8 all point to this doctrine.

Secondly, to minimize Mary’s importance is just as dangerous as those who over-emphasize and deify her.

Finally – while you’re condemning Catholic doctrine for only implicit Scriptural basis and not explicit - show me the “EXPLICIT” Scriptural basis for the following Protestant beliefs and practices . . .
- Sola Scriptura
- Sola Fide
- Eternal Security
- A Pre-Trib “Rapture”
- Accepting Christ as personal Lord and Savior
- Imputed righteousness
- “Altar” calls

Deflecting @BreadOfLife-not good
J.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Deflecting @BreadOfLife-not good
J.

Another "intelligent" response . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hebrews 1:4 says that Jesus received his name by inheritance.
Did he inherit it from somebody other than his Father?

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Please explain

Luke 1:32 tells us that He will be called the “Son of the Most High”.

Hebrews 1:4 says that the Son received inherited a name “greater than the Angels.”
“Son of the Most High” is FAR greater.

He is NOT “Jesus, Jr.”
Good grief . . .

 

[Truther]

Luke 1:32 tells us that He will be called the “Son of the Most High”.

Hebrews 1:4 says that the Son received inherited a name “greater than the Angels.”
“Son of the Most High” is FAR greater.

He is NOT “Jesus, Jr.”
Good grief . . .

No, it doesn’t. Hebrews says he by inheritance received his name. It doesn’t say what you said. That’s just weird.

Now, who did he inherit his name from?
I guarantee you will never answer that question.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

As for the NT NOT providing a basis for Mary’s intercessory role – your claim is based on your ignorance of the Gospel.

That's pretty funny seeing nothing in the New Testament tells us we should pray to Mary to see if she'll put in a good word for us with the Lord.

Jesus instructs His followers to pray to the Father in His Name and He makes no mention of praying to Mary which is a complete waste of time and is something satan brought in to oppose what Jesus instructs His followers to do.

• “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. But when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathens do.For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. In this manner, therefore, pray:Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
  Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.” (Matthew 6:6-13)
• “Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God …” (Philippians 4:6)
• “Praise is awaiting You, O God, in Zion; and to You the vow shall be performed. O You who hear prayer, to You all flesh will come.” (Psalm 65:1-2)
• “… Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.” (John 16:23-24)
• “And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14)

 

[Johann]

No, it doesn’t. Hebrews says he by inheritance received his name. It doesn’t say what you said. That’s just weird.

Now, who did he inherit his name from?
I guarantee you will never answer that question.

Hebrews 1:4 (ESV)
Text: "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."

Greek Text and Analysis
Greek: τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα

Key Greek Words:
τοσούτῳ (tosoutō):

Morphology: Dative singular masculine/neuter of τοσοῦτος, τοσαύτη, τοσοῦτο (demonstrative pronoun).
Translation: "by so much" or "to such a great extent."
κρείττων (kreittōn):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, nominative singular masculine of κρείττων, κρεῖττον.
Translation: "better" or "superior."
γενόμενος (genomenos):

Morphology: Aorist participle, nominative singular masculine of γίνομαι.
Translation: "having become" or "being made."
τῶν ἀγγέλων (tōn angelōn):

Morphology: Genitive plural masculine of ἄγγελος (angelos).
Translation: "of the angels."
ὅσῳ (hosō):

Morphology: Dative singular neuter of ὅσος (relative pronoun).
Translation: "by as much as" or "to the extent that."
διαφορώτερον (diaphorōteron):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, accusative singular neuter of διαφέρων (diapherōn).
Translation: "more excellent" or "surpassing."
παρ᾽ (par'):

Morphology: Preposition with the accusative.
Translation: "than" or "beyond."
αὐτοὺς (autous):

Morphology: Accusative plural masculine of αὐτός (autos).
Translation: "them."
κεκληρονόμηκεν (keklēronomēken):

Morphology: Perfect indicative active, third singular of κληρονομέω (klēronomeō).
Translation: "has inherited."
ὄνομα (onoma):

Morphology: Accusative singular neuter of ὄνομα (onoma).
Translation: "name."
Hebrew Concept of "Son of the Most High"
"Son of the Most High": In Hebrew, this phrase is בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן (ben Elyon).
בֵּן (ben): "son."
עֶלְיוֹן (Elyon): "Most High," a title used for God.
Corrected Statement
Hebrews 1:4 (with Greek Exegesis): The passage in Hebrews 1:4, τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα, states that Jesus, having become superior to the angels to the extent that He has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Explanation: The comparative adjective κρείττων (superior) and the aorist participle γενόμενος (having become) indicate that Jesus is superior to the angels. The phrase διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα emphasizes the surpassing excellence of the name He inherited compared to theirs.

"Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן): This title in Hebrew indicates a status far greater than that of angels. The phrase "Son of the Most High" signifies a unique and exalted position that is indeed "far greater."

Summary
Hebrews 1:4 declares the superiority of Jesus over the angels, highlighting the more excellent name He has inherited. The Greek terms emphasize His exalted status. In comparison, the title "Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן) in Hebrew underscores this greatness, as it denotes a unique and divine filiation that surpasses the angelic order.

Heb 1:4 having become γενόμενος by so much τοσούτῳ superior κρείττων to the τῶν angels, ἀγγέλων as much as ὅσῳ He has inherited κεκληρονόμηκεν a name ὄνομα. more excellent διαφορώτερον beyond παρ’ theirs. αὐτοὺς

Transliteration: keklēronomēken
Morphology: V-RIA-3S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2816 (κληρονομέω)
Meaning: To inherit, obtain (possess) by inheritance, acquire.

Hath inherited (keklēronomēken). Perfect active indicative of klēronomeō (from klēronomos, heir, Heb_1:2), and still inherits it, the name (onoma, oriental sense of rank) of “Son” which is superior to prophets as already shown (Heb_1:2) and also to angels (1:4-2:18) as he now proceeds to prove. Jesus is superior to angels as God’s Son, his deity (1:4-2:4). The author proves it from Scripture (Heb_1:4-14).

 

[Johann]

Hebrews 1:4 (ESV)
Text: "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."

Greek Text and Analysis
Greek: τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα

Key Greek Words:
τοσούτῳ (tosoutō):

Morphology: Dative singular masculine/neuter of τοσοῦτος, τοσαύτη, τοσοῦτο (demonstrative pronoun).
Translation: "by so much" or "to such a great extent."
κρείττων (kreittōn):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, nominative singular masculine of κρείττων, κρεῖττον.
Translation: "better" or "superior."
γενόμενος (genomenos):

Morphology: Aorist participle, nominative singular masculine of γίνομαι.
Translation: "having become" or "being made."
τῶν ἀγγέλων (tōn angelōn):

Morphology: Genitive plural masculine of ἄγγελος (angelos).
Translation: "of the angels."
ὅσῳ (hosō):

Morphology: Dative singular neuter of ὅσος (relative pronoun).
Translation: "by as much as" or "to the extent that."
διαφορώτερον (diaphorōteron):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, accusative singular neuter of διαφέρων (diapherōn).
Translation: "more excellent" or "surpassing."
παρ᾽ (par'):

Morphology: Preposition with the accusative.
Translation: "than" or "beyond."
αὐτοὺς (autous):

Morphology: Accusative plural masculine of αὐτός (autos).
Translation: "them."
κεκληρονόμηκεν (keklēronomēken):

Morphology: Perfect indicative active, third singular of κληρονομέω (klēronomeō).
Translation: "has inherited."
ὄνομα (onoma):

Morphology: Accusative singular neuter of ὄνομα (onoma).
Translation: "name."
Hebrew Concept of "Son of the Most High"
"Son of the Most High": In Hebrew, this phrase is בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן (ben Elyon).
בֵּן (ben): "son."
עֶלְיוֹן (Elyon): "Most High," a title used for God.
Corrected Statement
Hebrews 1:4 (with Greek Exegesis): The passage in Hebrews 1:4, τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα, states that Jesus, having become superior to the angels to the extent that He has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Explanation: The comparative adjective κρείττων (superior) and the aorist participle γενόμενος (having become) indicate that Jesus is superior to the angels. The phrase διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα emphasizes the surpassing excellence of the name He inherited compared to theirs.

"Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן): This title in Hebrew indicates a status far greater than that of angels. The phrase "Son of the Most High" signifies a unique and exalted position that is indeed "far greater."

Summary
Hebrews 1:4 declares the superiority of Jesus over the angels, highlighting the more excellent name He has inherited. The Greek terms emphasize His exalted status. In comparison, the title "Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן) in Hebrew underscores this greatness, as it denotes a unique and divine filiation that surpasses the angelic order.

Heb 1:4 having become γενόμενος by so much τοσούτῳ superior κρείττων to the τῶν angels, ἀγγέλων as much as ὅσῳ He has inherited κεκληρονόμηκεν a name ὄνομα. more excellent διαφορώτερον beyond παρ’ theirs. αὐτοὺς

Transliteration: keklēronomēken
Morphology: V-RIA-3S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2816 (κληρονομέω)
Meaning: To inherit, obtain (possess) by inheritance, acquire.

Hath inherited (keklēronomēken). Perfect active indicative of klēronomeō (from klēronomos, heir, Heb_1:2), and still inherits it, the name (onoma, oriental sense of rank) of “Son” which is superior to prophets as already shown (Heb_1:2) and also to angels (1:4-2:18) as he now proceeds to prove. Jesus is superior to angels as God’s Son, his deity (1:4-2:4). The author proves it from Scripture (Heb_1:4-14).

Simply put--
Heb_1:4

having become so much superior [better] -- Because of a better revelation. Being exalted so much above the angels. The word “better” here does not refer to moral character, but to exaltation of rank.

The word superior [better] (kreitton) is used thirteen times in Hebrews (Heb_5:9; Heb_7:7; Heb_7:19; Heb_7:22; Heb_8:6 2x; Heb_9:23; Heb_10:34; Heb_11:16; Heb_11:40; Heb_12:24.) See NOTE at Heb_7:7 for a list.

than [to] the angels -- #1. Heb_6:9. Than all angels of every rank; see notes on Eph_1:21; compare 1Pe_3:22. “Angels, and authorities, and powers being made subject unto him.” He is exalted to the right hand of God, and is man's mediator.

angels -- This refers to messengers from the spiritual realm who dispense information and revelation on God’s behalf.

as the name he has obtained -- Jesus, the Christ, has the designation of being a "Son," with all the primacy that means.

is a more excellent name than theirs, -- A better name, position or place, i.e. He is a son, and "Saviour" (cf. ch. 4-5) and not in reality just as a "servant". He is the "Son of God".

Hath inherited (keklēronomēken). Perfect active indicative of klēronomeō (from klēronomos, heir, Heb_1:2), and still inherits it, the name (onoma, oriental sense of rank) of “Son” which is superior to prophets as already shown (Heb_1:2) and also to angels (1:4-2:18) as he now proceeds to prove. Jesus is superior to angels as God’s Son, his deity (1:4-2:4). The author proves it from Scripture (Heb_1:4-14).

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, it doesn’t. Hebrews says he by inheritance received his name. It doesn’t say what you said. That’s just weird.

Now, who did he inherit his name from?
I guarantee you will never answer that question.

Oh, that's eight - YOU think that the NT was written in English.
Time for a Bible Language Lesson . . .

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek - NOT English.
1) to receive a lot, receive by lot 1a) esp. to receive a part of an inheritance, receive as an inheritance, obtain by right of inheritance 1b) to be an heir, to inherit 2) to receive the portion assigned to one, receive an allotted portion, receive as one's own or as a possession 3) to become partaker of, to obtain

EVERY child inherits a name from their parents/guardians.

Don't just quote the Bible.
LEARN what ii means . . .

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[Truther]

Hebrews 1:4 (ESV)
Text: "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."

Greek Text and Analysis
Greek: τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα

Key Greek Words:
τοσούτῳ (tosoutō):

Morphology: Dative singular masculine/neuter of τοσοῦτος, τοσαύτη, τοσοῦτο (demonstrative pronoun).
Translation: "by so much" or "to such a great extent."
κρείττων (kreittōn):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, nominative singular masculine of κρείττων, κρεῖττον.
Translation: "better" or "superior."
γενόμενος (genomenos):

Morphology: Aorist participle, nominative singular masculine of γίνομαι.
Translation: "having become" or "being made."
τῶν ἀγγέλων (tōn angelōn):

Morphology: Genitive plural masculine of ἄγγελος (angelos).
Translation: "of the angels."
ὅσῳ (hosō):

Morphology: Dative singular neuter of ὅσος (relative pronoun).
Translation: "by as much as" or "to the extent that."
διαφορώτερον (diaphorōteron):

Morphology: Comparative adjective, accusative singular neuter of διαφέρων (diapherōn).
Translation: "more excellent" or "surpassing."
παρ᾽ (par'):

Morphology: Preposition with the accusative.
Translation: "than" or "beyond."
αὐτοὺς (autous):

Morphology: Accusative plural masculine of αὐτός (autos).
Translation: "them."
κεκληρονόμηκεν (keklēronomēken):

Morphology: Perfect indicative active, third singular of κληρονομέω (klēronomeō).
Translation: "has inherited."
ὄνομα (onoma):

Morphology: Accusative singular neuter of ὄνομα (onoma).
Translation: "name."
Hebrew Concept of "Son of the Most High"
"Son of the Most High": In Hebrew, this phrase is בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן (ben Elyon).
בֵּן (ben): "son."
עֶלְיוֹן (Elyon): "Most High," a title used for God.
Corrected Statement
Hebrews 1:4 (with Greek Exegesis): The passage in Hebrews 1:4, τοσούτῳ κρείττων γενόμενος τῶν ἀγγέλων ὅσῳ διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα, states that Jesus, having become superior to the angels to the extent that He has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Explanation: The comparative adjective κρείττων (superior) and the aorist participle γενόμενος (having become) indicate that Jesus is superior to the angels. The phrase διαφορώτερον παρ᾽ αὐτοὺς κεκληρονόμηκεν ὄνομα emphasizes the surpassing excellence of the name He inherited compared to theirs.

"Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן): This title in Hebrew indicates a status far greater than that of angels. The phrase "Son of the Most High" signifies a unique and exalted position that is indeed "far greater."

Summary
Hebrews 1:4 declares the superiority of Jesus over the angels, highlighting the more excellent name He has inherited. The Greek terms emphasize His exalted status. In comparison, the title "Son of the Most High" (בֵּן עֶלְיוֹן) in Hebrew underscores this greatness, as it denotes a unique and divine filiation that surpasses the angelic order.

Heb 1:4 having become γενόμενος by so much τοσούτῳ superior κρείττων to the τῶν angels, ἀγγέλων as much as ὅσῳ He has inherited κεκληρονόμηκεν a name ὄνομα. more excellent διαφορώτερον beyond παρ’ theirs. αὐτοὺς

Transliteration: keklēronomēken
Morphology: V-RIA-3S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2816 (κληρονομέω)
Meaning: To inherit, obtain (possess) by inheritance, acquire.

Hath inherited (keklēronomēken). Perfect active indicative of klēronomeō (from klēronomos, heir, Heb_1:2), and still inherits it, the name (onoma, oriental sense of rank) of “Son” which is superior to prophets as already shown (Heb_1:2) and also to angels (1:4-2:18) as he now proceeds to prove. Jesus is superior to angels as God’s Son, his deity (1:4-2:4). The author proves it from Scripture (Heb_1:4-14).

Are you and your modern commentaries trying to disinherit Jesus of his name?

 

[Truther]

Oh, that's eight - YOU think that the NT was written in English.
Time for a Bible Language Lesson . . .

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek - NOT English.
1) to receive a lot, receive by lot 1a) esp. to receive a part of an inheritance, receive as an inheritance, obtain by right of inheritance 1b) to be an heir, to inherit 2) to receive the portion assigned to one, receive an allotted portion, receive as one's own or as a possession 3) to become partaker of, to obtain

EVERY child inherits a name from their parents/guardians.

Don't just quote the Bible.
LEARN what ii means . . .

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Listen here, Catholic, you inherit something that first belongs to somebody else. Let that sink in.

 

[Truther]

Read it and weep….as he hath by inheritance… obtained a more excellent name…

Bingo


Why is it a more excellent name? Because he inherited it. Super simple.

 

[Truther]

Here comes all the extra biblical commentary and a massive blast of Greek redefinitions… Lol

 

[Marymog]

I don’t read extra Biblical commentary, but knock yourself out.

Lol...But you write "extra Biblical commentary" all the time on this forum. Also, I am willing to bet that you read extra biblical commentary all the time, but you won't admit it.

With that said it appears you are not going to rescind your false statement of which I predicted