What is the purpose of infant baptism?
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Any church I attend must be a like minded church, with the church of 3000 at Pentecost, or else I hit the road.
You've hit the road many times!
I think the problem with some is that they don't want to be under the authority of anything or anyone.
There could be other reasons.
My sis in law quit church a few years ago.
I don't like this trend...
Athanasius377
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I am Anglican. You don’t need to point out that that my church body is in serious trouble not because of sola scriptura but because the rejection of the same. The US expression of Anglicanism is the Episcopal church and it is in a death spiral from which it is unlikely to recover. To be clear I am not a member of this body rather I am part of the Reformed Episcopal church , a constituent member of the Anglican Church of North America.
However, if institutional unity a measure of catholicity then where is the place for doctrinal unity? To put it succinctly, I, as an Anglican, have more in common with a confessional Lutheran or a confessional Presbyterian or even a Baptist than you do with the leaders of your church. So if Sola Scriptura doesn’t work then what does? Because it isn’t the Papacy or the idea of a magisterium. Rome can’t keep its doctrine consistent from one century to the next. I have a serious problem with all of your doctrinal and institutional unity when I see Francis backtrack centuries of Romish teaching or have to endure Fr John Martin sj go soft on human sexuality. And by soft I mean tacit or active approval.
In fact, we probably have far more in common than the majority of your own communion.
As to Islam and Judaism you betray your ignorance. They are at least as divided. In the case of Islam they might be more divided than Christ’s Church especially if you are familiar with Islam’s foundational formularies. The Quran, the collection of Hadith and biographies of Mohammed. The later two vary widely depending on the school of Islamic jurisprudence. As to Judaism, you can’t find another faith that’s further away from its foundational tenants. Just witness a reformed Jewish worship service and walk up the street to another. To say nothing of liberal Jewish to say nothing of conservative or Orthodox Jewish thought.
Athanasius377
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What church body, where do you fellowship? Where do spend Sundays or Saturdays if you are sabbatarian. Just answer the question or say that you don’t attend a church or fellowship.
Athanasius377
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So, you limit the Kingdom to you and. . . I have huge problems with Rome but I don’t exclude all RC’s from the Kingdom. Only King Jesus gets to say whose in and whose out.
Augustin56
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Well, think about the perspective of the early Christians for a moment. They weren't like us who have literacy in our blood. Everything we do today is recorded somehow, either by video, in writing, or some other method. Back then, the vast majority of people could neither read nor write. And those that could surely didn't write everything down. Most teaching by the Church and the first Christians was done orally. And what they did write down was usually more important in their eyes. There was not, at that time, any perceived need to defend the faith regarding doctrine of the Assumption. The big "battle" against the faith at that time was against the Gnostics, who happened to agree with that doctrine. So, that doctrine continued to be taught...orally.
Not before the fifth century. I'm not Roman Catholic and I don't believe in the Assumption, but neither do I discount the value of tradition.
My issue with the Assumption is based on my understanding of the Immaculate Conception and its ramifications for the consequences of "original" sin inherited from Adam and Eve. If Mary was conceived without original sin, and original sin is the reason humans die physically, then of course she couldn't suffer physical death -- but by the same token, neither should any believer whose original sin is forgiven. Yet even forgiven believers die physically. Why does that still happen? Every answer I have ever gotten from a Catholic has been unsatisfactory.
Athanasius377
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This.
I feel sorry for @Truther , if what I am reading is correct he/she has no fellowship. To give some context I spent two weeks in icu about two years ago. Yet I had my pastor/presbyter as well as my friends and other pastors came and visited me in the hospital and give extreme unction. I had no doubt who would minister to me and my family if I had passed.
Today, the same pastor retired and we have a farewell and Godspeed service to him and his family. He is 72 and served our congregation for 22 years. I pray you have the experience.
They are all out. No Catholic is saved. They do not have remission of sins because they do not baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
catholic church canonized the Bible?
There were no pope nor the clergies nor catholic church then who canonized the Bible. It's merely like taking someone else work and putting one's label on it to make it theirs.
Actually it was the bishops from the churches in Rome summoned by emperor constantine, who canonized the Bible. These i believe were the true successors of the established church of the Romans in the New Testament, Apostle Paul writes to. Where also in another epistle of his, relatively Paul instructs Timothy that in all the churches, to elect 'Bishops' and 'Deacons'.
Way after constantine, later came the translated from Greek, the latin vulgate of Jerome, ordered by pope damasus of the catholic church.
No one is limiting any thing to oneself or others because we're merely servants, a voice in the wilderness. But rather alone the New Testament foundation of Lord Jesus Christ limits and exposes.
Spirit of truth verses spirit of error, who see and who's blind, we're witnessing scripture by scripture and pointing out by scripture. Now since there's divers interpretation of denominations, there's contention and strife, where every one is a teacher.
Next, for example one being together in a mafia organization and works, to say one has a huge problem with the heads of the family, is such innocent and exempted from them?
And the reformers who come out and protest for justice and righteousness for all, even though their lives were on the line, are labelled as heretics and rogues?
There's a serious problem in the Kingdom itself, but every believer a teacher, and trying to get along with one another in marriage like the world
Taken
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Prideful puff.
Uh…Pretty confidant the ORDER of introducing the Concept of “CHRIST’s CHURCH” was Jesus First, Jews Secondly, Gentiles Thirdly, and thereafter Catholics introducing their Naming and Rendition of their Catholic church.
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False accusation.
I do not think that and why it is a fail on your part to try and think for others.
Your irrelevant opinion.
I accredit…Jesus Himself and Jesus’ Appointed Apostles for the credit you attempt to personalize to the Catholic Church.
Different topic…however, still disagree with you regarding that topic.
Gaslighting per your usual.
Your subling Protestants…LOL
Your gaslighting…LOL
There was more than one bishop, and more than one church, in Rome simultaneously? That's news to me.
Taken
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Patently False.
Christ founded “Christ’s Church”, expressly Jesus called “His Church”…”my” Church.
Matt 16:
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Rather I would say:
The Majority was Illiterate.
The Majority was without Scripture to read.
The Majority was dependent ON OTHERS to Verbally teach him.
The Majority was DECEIVED to believe “Christian” was not “sufficient”, rather having been VERBALLY TAUGHT …. Membership IN A Church REQUIRED one to BE called “Catholic”.
As Literacy improved and Scripture availability improved…SO ALSO DID the HOAX of verbal false teaching become revealed.
God Bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
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