What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Truther]

Just like an anti-Catholic. You believe everything you’re told and everything you read and everything you hear, that puts the historic Church in the darkest light possible. Your degree of anti-Catholicism is a mental illness, hopelessly addicted to conflict and lies.

Back in the 80s I had an open debate with the Catholic priest in his office with some people I was teaching that went to his church. I brought a Bible Only and he carried in and sat on the table about five different books. Our arguments went from scripture to conjecture back-and-forth. The Catholic Church is nothing but commentary and conjecture mixed with all kinds of ideas that are not even in the Bible. He tried to intimidate me with his commentary. Couldn’t do it.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Agreed.
But I hope he resigns real soon.

For all of you out there worried about the pope. Relax; chill. All is well. We have a pope who says the unexpected: a lot like Jesus. And, like Jesus, those who don’t get it and are outside looking in, will misunderstand, and those who are in the fold will grasp what is being said, in the context of historic Catholic teaching, if they look closely enough and don’t get hoodwinked by silly media wishful thinking.

Pope Francis Defended: Resources For Confused Folks

A collection of explanatory articles (336+) that defend Pope Francis against accusations of erroneous teaching, heresy, ignorance, equivocation, arrogance, etc. ad nauseam.

www.patheos.com

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

As to the fundamental message of Christianity, absolutely correct!

Who has the authority to determine what is fundamental from what is non-essential? The ones who repeat the most??? The proliferation of thousands of different theologies can only agree on 2 things: God exists and they are not Catholic.

Reformed (Calvinist) Steve C. Halbrook
“Questions for those who believe water baptism saves.” So here I am! Steve’s words will be in blue.

John 3:5 And Titus 3:5: Proofs For Baptismal Regeneration?

The belief on baptismal regeneration was unified until the 16th century. We Catholics yield to the wisdom of doctrine passed down by apostolic succession.

www.patheos.com

 

[GodsGrace]

For all of you out there worried about the pope. Relax; chill. All is well. We have a pope who says the unexpected: a lot like Jesus. And, like Jesus, those who don’t get it and are outside looking in, will misunderstand, and those who are in the fold will grasp what is being said, in the context of historic Catholic teaching, if they look closely enough and don’t get hoodwinked by silly media wishful thinking.

Pope Francis Defended: Resources For Confused Folks

A collection of explanatory articles (336+) that defend Pope Francis against accusations of erroneous teaching, heresy, ignorance, equivocation, arrogance, etc. ad nauseam.

www.patheos.com

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What if you know it from the inside?
Why do I have to be on the outside?
I'm not going to do what some do and try to bury a person or denomination but you know what the issues are.....if you want to support him I'm not here to argue.
I don't. And if you want to know why,,,,,I'll give you some reasons.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who has the authority to determine what is fundamental from what is non-essential? The ones who repeat the most??? The proliferation of thousands of different theologies can only agree on 2 things: God exists and they are not Catholic.

Reformed (Calvinist) Steve C. Halbrook
“Questions for those who believe water baptism saves.” So here I am! Steve’s words will be in blue.

John 3:5 And Titus 3:5: Proofs For Baptismal Regeneration?

The belief on baptismal regeneration was unified until the 16th century. We Catholics yield to the wisdom of doctrine passed down by apostolic succession.

www.patheos.com

Jude
You're big on authority.....
How do YOU respect authority when someone
CHANGES the rules????
Single handedly,,,, no magesterium.
To the chagrin of Bishops and priests?

 

[GodsGrace]

I looked, but couldn't find anything. It's fascinating to me that this type of consultation may have occurred. Wish you could remember!

I believe Peter appointed the bishop in Antioch during his travels. In Jerusalem, James was the leader, so let's call him the local bishop/pope -- and surely he and Peter consulted on things. Legend has it that Mark founded the Christian community in Alexandria, but definitive proof is sparse. As to the Church in Constantinople, it counts Andrew as its founder, but again, definitive proof is sparse. In any event, if there were disagreements that needed Peter's guidance to resolve (maybe "needed" is too strong here), I suspect Peter was dead by circa 65, when the churches in Alexandria and Constantinople were fledgling at best.

RedFan,
Looks like you were right about the Apostles.

I found the following, but it doesn't say too much, but it's a good start....
will keep trying...

Pentarchy

Pentarchy, after the Greek for "five leaders," refers to the five patriarchates in the early church.

cnewa.org

 

[Taken]

Just like an anti-Catholic.

IFY ~

Trying to impress “anti-Catholic” is a value compatible to “anti-Christ” is viewed as representing the Catholic Church as cynical and underhanded.

 

[Taken]

Just like a Catholic. You believe everything you’re told and everything you read and everything you hear. That is why you guys are into talking and bleeding statues, etc.

@ Truther
@ GodsGrace

I am well aware Jewish men, were the First to be established Members of Christ’s Church.

I am well aware Gentile men, were interested to lend their Ear to the Teachings of Christ, and Regarding Membership of Christ’s Church.

I am WHOLLY SUSPECT, of ANY Gentile, regardless of the ERA, WHO advocate, promote, Christ’s Church and its MEMBERS and its rituals IS “anything other”, than “Christ’s Church”.

It is a HOAX, to change Christ’s Church, then claim, IF an individual IS NOT yoke with the “CHANGE”….the individual is therefore AGAINST Christ..

The HIGHLIGHT SIGNIFICANCE occurred in a precise moment in Time…

Jesus’ bodily death.
The “holy of Holies BEHIND the Veil, Historically ONLY available for “entrance” BEHIND the Veil “ BY man appointed high priests…………NO LONGER!!

Matt 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

WHY?
Jesus Himself REVEALED the answer to WHY.
Entire Chapter…Matt 23.

And not a mystery to Observe, a Church, Not called by the Name, Christ’s Church, WHO continues the appearance and effects OF a VEIL being “still in place”, and it’s “man appointed priests, hiding behind said veil,”and paraded, elevated IN Public “as pious”.

Some men CHOOSE to not agree, not be yoked with a HOAX, regardless of HOW many years the HOAX has been perpetuated.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

What if you know it from the inside?
Why do I have to be on the outside?
I'm not going to do what some do and try to bury a person or denomination but you know what the issues are.....if you want to support him I'm not here to argue.
I don't. And if you want to know why,,,,,I'll give you some reasons.

I'm not going to argue about Pope Francis either, but chances are your objections are discussed in the link. Catholics are free to disagree with many things, we are not free to rebel.

Pope Francis Defended: Resources For Confused Folks

A collection of explanatory articles (336+) that defend Pope Francis against accusations of erroneous teaching, heresy, ignorance, equivocation, arrogance, etc. ad nauseam.

www.patheos.com

 

[BlessedPeace]

Purpose? Proof of a false teaching. One that implies God would otherwise send newborns to eternal Hell fire should they die of SIDS.

That's not our God.
That's theirs who blaspheme his name and character in a cult destined for the abyss.
Hell was also their invention.

Pyres burning people alive were their first infomercial.
Turn or burn.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that I am smarter than you. I realize a long time ago that the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus. You still think the name of the son is son. That is why you guys baptize in the name of the son, and not in the name of Jesus.

The fact that you STILL don’t understand what “In the name of” means - even after ALL of the instruction I’ve given you from scholar after scholar shows me just how “smart” you’re NOT . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just like a Catholic. You believe everything you’re told and everything you read and everything you hear. That is why you guys are into talking and bleeding statues, etc.

Do you believe that George Wasgungton was a President?
WHY?? Were you there?

Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence?
WHY?? Did you see him do it??

Do you just deby history that involved faith in Jesus Christ - or do you reject ALL of it?
Why do you believe in Scripture when it was the CATHOLIC CHURCH that compiled and declared the Canon of Scripture?

Son, you're a living, breathing contradiction . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Purpose? Proof of a false teaching. One that implies God would otherwise send newborns to eternal Hell fire should they die of SIDS.

That's not our God.
That's theirs who blaspheme his name and character in a cult destined for the abyss.
Hell was also their invention.

Pyres burning people alive were their first infomercial.
Turn or burn.

Please show me this teaching from the Catechism whhch, I promise you, does NOT exist.

In short - put your money where your mouth is - or simply admit that you're nothig but a LIAR . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not going to argue about Pope Francis either, but chances are your objections are discussed in the link. Catholics are free to disagree with many things, we are not free to rebel.

Pope Francis Defended: Resources For Confused Folks

A collection of explanatory articles (336+) that defend Pope Francis against accusations of erroneous teaching, heresy, ignorance, equivocation, arrogance, etc. ad nauseam.

www.patheos.com

No Jude.
My objections are not in your link.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
But we'll end it here.
Let's just say that I don't think the CC should change.

 

[BreadOfLife]

IFY ~

Trying to impress “anti-Catholic” is a value compatible to “anti-Christ” is viewed as representing the Catholic Church as cynical and underhanded.

Actually, an anti-Cathollic is sperson who ignores certain verses of Scripture and actually LIES about history as it pertains to the Church - gping so far as to dismiss the corroboraton of the Early Church Fathers. They also lie about Catholic doctrine.

Rejecting Catholic doctrine make one a non-Catholic.

LYING about the history of the Church and what Catholics believe and teach makes on an anti-Catholic.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually, an anti-Cathollic is sperson who ignores certain verses of Scripture and actually LIES about history as it pertains to the Church - gping so far as to dismiss the corroboraton of the Early Church Fathers. They also lie about Catholic doctrine.

Rejecting Catholic doctrine make one a non-Catholic.

LYING about the history of the Church and what Catholics believe and teach makes on an anti-Catholic.

Hmmm.
So are you aware that some priests say that one could not believe some doctrine and still consider themselves a Catholic?
Yes. I can attest to this in more ways than one.

Not sure whether or not I agree with this.
Used to be that you had to accept all dogma and doctrine or, at the least pray about it so it wouldn't be obstintate denial.
Liberalism is creeping in....

 

[Augustin56]

Heresy: That special moment when you think you have greater spiritual insight than the Apostles, the disciples, the Apostolic Fathers, the Church founded by Christ, and the Magiesterium, because you have a Bible that they wrote, compiled, and gave to you.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Hmmm.
So are you aware that some priests say that one could not believe some doctrine and still consider themselves a Catholic?
Yes. I can attest to this in more ways than one.

Not sure whether or not I agree with this.
Used to be that you had to accept all dogma and doctrine or, at the least pray about it so it wouldn't be obstintate denial.
Liberalism is creeping in....

Liberalism is alive and well in this thread. BTW, there have always been trouble makers and schismatics plaguing the episcopate , not to mention outright liars like Archbishop Vigango, a media superstar, who recently got excommunicated for schism.
Certain Catholic media has an anti-Francis agenda, such as Lifesite News. They hate the pope, but do a good job defending the unborn. We also have hysterical traditionalist reactionaries like Dr. Taylor Marshal doing a lot of damage to his large following. And there's Michael Voris who sees homosexual clergy climbing out of his corn flakes. The list goes on...No matter, the Church is indestructible or God's promises of protection is a lie.


Michael Voris

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Heresy: That special moment when you think you have greater spiritual insight than the Apostles, the disciples, the Apostolic Fathers, the Church founded by Christ, and the Magiesterium, because you have a Bible that they wrote, compiled, and gave to you.

 

[Truther]

The fact that you STILL don’t understand what “In the name of” means - even after ALL of the instruction I’ve given you from scholar after scholar shows me just how “smart” you’re NOT . . .

If you don’t say the name when baptized in the name of Jesus, you are denying Jesus …it is simple as that. Your beef is with the name Jesus. You refuse to say the name Jesus during baptism because the enemy will not let you. Simple as that.