What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[GodsGrace]

The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Christianity, Judaism and paganism. This is why they can’t be trusted. They got their hands in all of the cookie jars.

Maybe, one day we could discuss.
I do believe in water baptism because it IS biblical AND the ECFs agree with it.....of course! (sorry bout that).

What else?

 

[Truther]

Now that you openly admitted to me that the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus, would you agree that baptism is in the name of Jesus as per this…
Go, ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and in the name of Jesus and in the name of the Holy Ghost.

 

[GodsGrace]

The scripture is the only thing we can rely on for accuracy. Everybody surrounding the scripture is fighting over what they think it means. You would be shocked to actually read it and take it literally and use the Bible alone as your source and abandon all commentary. You would feel naked at first, but after a while, you would see things completely different than you see him in the Bible. It may even create a meltdown at first, but it will transform your thinking like you’ve never imagined. It even pulled me out

I don't read commentaries.....on VERY RARE occasion.
I find that scripture explains scripture.

What were you pulled out of?

 

[Truther]

What happened between the disciples and the 4th century?
I see you DO know some history.....

If you go backwards in history, there was only one church while the Apostles were still alive and preaching/teaching.
Peter was one of them.
He wasn't the first Pope,,,but he WAS in Rome and he was an Apostle, and there were those that came after him.
And Jesus gave HIM the keys....I think you know that keys represent authority.

You could dislike the CC...it teaches some stuff that is not biblical - although they think it is.
But you should not let that stop you from knowing the history of the Christian church.

Of course, I know history. I just don’t believe it is perfectly accurate. I don’t quote things to others in my belief system that are not perfectly accurate. In the back of my mind, I don’t want to distort things and tell people things that others have said that may be untrue. The Bible doesn’t work that way for me. I believe it is perfectly true.

 

[GodsGrace]

Now that you openly admitted to me that the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus, would you agree that baptism is in the name of Jesus as per this…
Go, ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and in the name of Jesus and in the name of the Holy Ghost.

I would have no problem with that.

EXCEPT that it's not what Jesus said to do.

Because He was referring to OFFICES and not names.

Don't you think we should just do what Jesus said to do without questioning every little thing?
Now we have to question Matthew 28:19!

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course, I know history. I just don’t believe it is perfectly accurate. I don’t quote things to others in my belief system that are not perfectly accurate. In the back of my mind, I don’t want to distort things and tell people things that others have said that may be untrue. The Bible doesn’t work that way for me. I believe it is perfectly true.

It's perfectly true.
OK

So is OSAS correct?

 

[Truther]

I don't read commentaries.....on VERY RARE occasion.
I find that scripture explains scripture.

What were you pulled out of?

I was teaching publicly the Bible and lacing a bunch of my teaching with commentary from the denomination I was part of. Some of it was true looking back, but some of it was unverified. Now I witness all of my ministry peers doing the same thing. I even got tired of, quoting from the Strongs concordance and all of these lexicons, etc. I just use a king James Bible only and I have my students read it for themselves and let them interpret the Bible on picture charts.

 

[Truther]

I would have no problem with that.

EXCEPT that it's not what Jesus said to do.

Because He was referring to OFFICES and not names.

Don't you think we should just do what Jesus said to do without questioning every little thing?
Now we have to question Matthew 28:19!

So, was Peter correct when he and the others always and only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in the book of Acts?

 

[Truther]

It's perfectly true.
OK

So is OSAS correct?

Nope. If I backslide I go back under the law from which I came. Then I will be judged by the law according to my works. People need to realize that. We are saved by initially obeying Acts 2:38 and we remain saved by walking in the Spirit. Only, then are we made free from the law and Remain free from the law.

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course, I know history. I just don’t believe it is perfectly accurate. I don’t quote things to others in my belief system that are not perfectly accurate. In the back of my mind, I don’t want to distort things and tell people things that others have said that may be untrue. The Bible doesn’t work that way for me. I believe it is perfectly true.

I'm going to stop posting to you because:
1. You might need to catch up.
2. This conversation is interesting --- not too many of those on these threads.
3. It's really later here.

4. YOU NEED TO GIVE ME MY LIKES!
I looked and you didn't deliver!

Now go give me some likes please.
I'm almost at 6,000.
Too good....

 

[GodsGrace]

So, was Peter correct when he and the others always and only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in the book of Acts?

Easy.
It was to distinguish from the Baptism of John.
I trust you know what the difference is....getting tired of typing....
But I'll post it if necessary.
I already did on here somewhere.

 

[Truther]

I'm going to stop posting to you because:
1. You might need to catch up.
2. This conversation is interesting --- not too many of those on these threads.
3. It's really later here.

4. YOU NEED TO GIVE ME MY LIKES!
I looked and you didn't deliver!

Now go give me some likes please.
I'm almost at 6,000.
Too good....

Hahaha. Let’s chat some more here in the future. You’re an awesome guy.

 

[Truther]

Easy.
It was to distinguish from the Baptism of John.
I trust you know what the difference is....getting tired of typing....
But I'll post it if necessary.
I already did on here somewhere.

I asked you this…
So, was Peter correct when he and the others always and only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in the book of Acts?

 

[GodsGrace]

Nope. If I backslide I go back under the law from which I came. Then I will be judged by the law according to my works. People need to realize that. We are saved by initially obeying Acts 2:38 and we remain saved by walking in the Spirit. Only, then are we made free from the law and Remain free from the law.

Bingo!
No OSAS.
You got one right.
So far it's 100%.

Gotta go Truther.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hahaha. Let’s chat some more here in the future. You’re an awesome guy.

How in the world could a guy be awesome???
I'm a girl !

 

[Truther]

How in the world could a guy be awesome???
I'm a girl !

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Hahaha

 

[Taken]

- the people in ithe FIRST century understood what "in the name of" meant -

Highly doubt you KNOW the “understanding” of “the People” who lived in the FIRST century.

 

[Fred J]

Or history?

If one was Christian for the first 1000 years of Christianity, one was Catholic. That's all there was. Then, in 1054 A.D., the Orthodox splintered off, but retained Apostolic Succession.

Protestantism didn't arise until the 16th century and was started by rogue Catholics. Every one of the Protestant Reformers were Catholic. That means one has to ask the question, was Christianity wrong for 16 centuries until Protestantism arose, and came to "correct" the teachings? And if so, which of the tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting denominations has it right? Or do you claim no one does and Christ reallyl did a poor job of spreading His message?

We claim that Christ founded a (one!) Church, which has existed the entire time. It alone has the fullness of Christ's truths, which it does not claim the right to change. Christ founded a Church to spread His truths. He didn't write a book. The Church He founded wrote the New Testament, but didn't set the canon for the New Testament until the late 4th century. The vast, vast majority of people were illiterate anyway, until the last 100 years, give or take, in man's history. St. Paul refers to the Church as the "pillar and foundation of truth" in 1 Tim 3:15.

Apparently, the whore is drunk with the cup of wine in her hands, so am not surprise of her children who likewise 'twist', 'fabricate' and 'lie' for her. She and her children deceitfully have a lot to complain, blame others and put them to death from Constantine. But none fault and blame is accepted by them at any time, even though like the Jews, the blood of all martyrs are in their very hands. Remember??

Outwardly they look like sheep, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves, for you will know them by their fruit. Even satan disguises himself as an angel of Light. And it is not surprising that his human servants disguises themselves as servants of righteousness. These are the 'spirit of anti-Christ' deceived by the devil according to Revelation chapter 12. They were already present in the days of the Apostles, and until now.

 

[Fred J]

The church of Antioch and the very first church to be declared as Christian from the people of 'The Way', is written. And by wisdom noted eventually elders are appointed as Bishops or Overseers of Christ through the Apostles' established churches. But apparently their names are not clearly mentioned nor are written. Nor their letters be any focal point to ponder or to reckon with.

To add, but rather James the brother of Jesus the leader of the church in Jerusalem is mentioned and written. Therefore his epistle canonized in the New Testament too is a focal point to ponder and to reckon with in faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

Apparently, the whore is drunk with the cup of wine in her hands, so am not surprise of her children who likewise 'twist', 'fabricate' and 'lie' for her. She and her children deceitfully have a lot to complain, blame others and put them to death from Constantine. But none fault and blame is accepted by them at any time, even though like the Jews, the blood of all martyrs are in their very hands. Remember??

Outwardly they look like sheep, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves, for you will know them by their fruit. Even satan disguises himself as an angel of Light. And it is not surprising that his human servants disguises themselves as servants of righteousness. These are the 'spirit of anti-Christ' deceived by the devil according to Revelation chapter 12. They were already present in the days of the Apostles, and until now.

Know what Fred.....
@Augustin56 shouldn't give you the dignity of a reply.

Anyone that states that a Christian is satanic, as satan is, should be avoided because it is YOU sir that is disguising yourself.

YOU are the servant of the anti Christ.
We can safely say You ARE the anti Christ.
Not posting scripture since you apparently don't understand it well, but you are ...

Against the unity of Christ's church.
Against brethren in Christ.

The ANTI Christ.

And, I won't be replying to your tirades.