What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Taken]

I did, to prove you have almost nothing in common with the early historic Church. And I stuck to the topic: BAPTISM.


Obviously.

The topic is baptism, and I demonstrated the CC today is consistent with the 1st and 2nd century. You cannot do this,

HISTORICAL FACTS are not deflections. Your polemical denials are deflections because you run from HISTORICAL FACTS.

If and When there is ANYTHING I choose to DENY…I’ll be the one to speak for myself.

Your gaslighting is MOOT.

 

[Taken]

Of course you're right Taken.
But we can't be blinded either by this hatred of these 2 supposed catholics on this thread.
I attend a Catholic church right now.
All I hear is about Jesus' love for us and how we're supposed to love others and be peaceful and all that kind of stuff.

The Jews were the first Christians....OK
But now we also know that the Jews DID eventually stop going to synogague because they were no longer welcomed there.
So the split happened. And has continued.

Today the Body of Christ is made up of all believers....

I get your point here, but am more specific, as regarding belief IN Jesus…delineating a differences between a BELIEVER and a CONVERTED BELIEVER.
And will say, it is a Converted Believer, that is exclusively; The Body of Christ.

no matter the denomination.

Agree. The TITLE of an organization is not the measure by which an Individual shall be Judged.

Yes, even catholics can be born again - but not all. Just like in any church.

Any Individual whose heart IS their own testimony of their Belief, shall be saved.
Point being, it is the “individual”….not by the hope, wish, desire, force of an other.

Surely it's not up to any one of us to know who is in the Body and who is not, as some on here would like to do.

On lookers ONLY have an “indication”. Only the individual and God KNOW the truth, regarding the individuals True Belief.

We can surely THINK we know....but only God knows for sure.

Yes.

I'll say this....anyone who can spew as much hatred as I've seen on here is far from God...
We cannot judge a soul --- but we can certainly judge actions - otherwise Matthew 18:15 would make no sense.

Personally, I have NO ISSUE with the word “hate”…because I KNOW what “hate” means.

The Lord did not give us a mission to convince or force others to BelIeve, but rather to simple spread God word, and let others agree or reject as they choose.

1 John 4:7-8
7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

Yes. Love begins with, IN and OF God and thereafter toward all others. Which personally I believe is only possible WHEN the Lord Spirit IS within a man.

God Bless You,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

A satirical meme on the stupidity of Individualism.

 

[Taken]

As I educated you before – the Church has ALWAYS Baptized infants and children – before AND after Augustine.

Not a question of men of the Catholic Church having a long history of Water Baptizing Infants and children.

Water Baptism is not a Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which you have previously claimed…and presumably subsequently taught by the Catholic Church…
That You did receive the Holy Spirit precisely at the time you personally were (Unbeknownst to you at the time) Baptized with Water by a Catholic Priest.

We see in the NT that “entire “households” (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor. 1:16).

You IMPLY a PRESUMPTION, that IF the head of household IS SAVED, thus, so also is the whole household Saved

A person who IS head of the household, who IS Saved, is Prepared (as head of his household, to teach and lead his household unto the Truth, that THEY ALSO become Prepared, to BECOME SAVED! )

Salvation IS NOT an “AUTOMATIC” Gift given because of a Parent /child Family Relationship.
Salvation IS a GIFT of God, Given to Individuals BECAUSE of the Individuals BELIEF IN THEIR HEART.

Children in their parents HOME, may or may not BELIEVE.
Children LEAVE their parents HOME.
Children may LEAVE fathers who DO NOT BELIEVE.
Children may LEAVE fathers who DO Believe.
Children CHOOSE to BELIEVE or NOT, as their own HEART DICTATES.

Even ONE believing parent in a household renders the children and an unbelieving spouse “holy” (1 Cor. 7:14) – and THAT’S why everybody living there was Baptized based on the faith of the ONE parent (Cornelius, Stephanas, Philippian Jailer).

Regarding a Believing mans Spouse, IS a consecrated Relationship that THEY ARE ONE, united IN Gods Affirmation.
Children and their father or mother ARE NOT united AS ONE.

The Church has ALWAYS believed in Original Sin. because the BIBLE teaches it. But …

Presuming you are speaking of “THE Catholic Church”…claiming it has Always believed IN Original Sin…
YET…According to men, OF THE Catholic Church, outside of Scripture…has Declared Original Sin “did not apply to Mary”.

Christ Jesus’ Church EXPRESSLY taught multiple times Jesus Himself who appeared AS a man, to the EYES of human men..
HAD NO SIN.

While…Christ’s Church taught no such thing regarding ANY natural born earthly manKIND of being…the Catholic Church teaches the complete opposite.

And ANYONE who Disagrees with Such of YOUR Church, YOUR Church’s’Teaching, YOUR defense of YOUR teaching of YOUR Church's’ Teaching… You attempt to berate with Belligerent Name calling and False Allegations.

Name Calling and False allegations personally Against others…Does NOT make your Beliefs, your Teaching Correct.
It simply makes you a trained bully.

 

[GodsGrace]

You need to stop relying on Wikipedia for your "facts" . . .

Adults and chldren were ALWAYS Baptized - either by ummersion or puring.
The words of Baprism have ALWAYS been in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

You need to stop relying on Wikipedia for your "facts" . . .

Adults and chldren were ALWAYS Baptized - either by ummersion or puring.
The words of Baprism have ALWAYS been in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

I've already replied to the above, but something came to mind.....

You should be happy about Wikipedia.
They print all that the CC teaches - even what is wrong.
They just take what the CC believes to be correct, even if it's historically incorrect, and they just
print it for all to read.

Like for instance....
Wikipedia teaches that Peter was THE first Pope.

This is incorrect and can be attested to by anyone that knows church history.
And history cannot be changed - not even by the CC.

And, apparently, may I add, maybe you should use Wikipedia to see if you could find the answer to my question to both you and Marymog
which you are unable to reply to - after some attempts.

Yes. I'd use ANY source that would help me to be more familiar with my religion - which is Christianity.

 

[GodsGrace]

I get your point here, but am more specific, as regarding belief IN Jesus…delineating a differences between a BELIEVER and a CONVERTED BELIEVER.
And will say, it is a Converted Believer, that is exclusively; The Body of Christ.

You always said this Taken and, unfortunately, I think I understand what you mean.
I say UNFORTUNATELY because the word BELIEVER should be sufficient to explain or identify a person.
BUT maybe an additional word is necessary since so many CLAIM to be Christian, but do not show this to be true in their daily living.

So by a CONVERTED believer, you mean a TRUE believer?
If not,
then HOW is any believer then CONVERTED?

Agree. The TITLE of an organization is not the measure by which an Individual shall be Judged.



Any Individual whose heart IS their own testimony of their Belief, shall be saved.
Point being, it is the “individual”….not by the hope, wish, desire, force of an other.

Agreed.

On lookers ONLY have an “indication”. Only the individual and God KNOW the truth, regarding the individuals True Belief.

Agreed. My point exactly.

Personally, I have NO ISSUE with the word “hate”…because I KNOW what “hate” means.

The Lord did not give us a mission to convince or force others to BelIeve, but rather to simple spread God word, and let others agree or reject as they choose.

Agreed.

Yes. Love begins with, IN and OF God and thereafter toward all others. Which personally I believe is only possible WHEN the Lord Spirit IS within a man.

God Bless You,

Glory to God,
Taken

Agreed again.
We can only give out what we have inside.

At a concert I recently attended, it said this on the screen:
IF YOU WANT LOVE
BE LOVE

IF YOU WANT PEACE
BE PEACE


Easier said than done at times, but at least we could try.

 

[Taken]

You always said this Taken and, unfortunately, I think I understand what you mean.
I say UNFORTUNATELY because the word BELIEVER should be sufficient to explain or identify a person.

Here’s the “thing” with a BELIEVER…
Today they CLAIM to Believe…You hear their CLAIM…you even discuss such CLAIM among others…but you lose touch with that individual…THEY subsequently unaware to you…Claim …TO NOT BELIEVE

THAT is my Point, per Scriptural teachings…
AND WARNINGS.
A “BELIEVER” remains under the “POWER” of his own desires, to believe, continue believing, not believe, even advocate for others to deny.

Scripture also reveals…
WHEN an individual is exercising BELIEF…
that individuals IS WITH the Lord …
AND
The Lord IS WITH that individual.

What Happens WHEN when that individual LEAVES the Lord?
The Lord LEAVES that individual.

(Reflecting on Biblical History…Hebrews, Tribes of Israel…WITH the Lord God…He WITH them. THEY Leave Him. He LEAVES THEM)

They (ancient men) HAD NO OFFERING, NO OPTION OFFERED to become MADE soul SAVED, MADE spirit QUICKENED…UNTIL AFTER their bodily DEATH (and ONLY “IF” at the time of their Bodily Death…
Their Bodily Death occurred AT THE MOMENT…”They were IN BELIEF”.)

THAT “scenario” Has NOT CHANGED.

What DID CHANGE…was A NEW BETTER TESTAMENT and OFFERING of an SURETY, “by the mans surrender of BELIEF of his WHOLE (Life), body, soul, spirit… UNTO the Lord God…THAT MANS WHOLENESS…
Body, soul, spirit…According to the Lord Gods Order and Way….
WOULD BE EXPRESSLY “transformed” RIGHT THEN and KEPT Transformed BY the POWER of God.
* Body, forgiven, washed, cleansed, sanctified For Redemption, eternal life.
* Soul forgiven restored back to very good, as it was when given in that body, forever eternally alive.
* Spirit born again of Gods Seed, continuing in forever Life With the Lord God.
THESE ^ ARE THEY which (while continuing to remain bodily ALIVE, (have Spiritually been Crucified with Jesus…called a Living sacrifice)
and Spiritually live IN Christ Jesus’ RISEN Body (called IN Christ)…
and
Expressly are CALLED “CONVERTED IN Christ”
Broadly are CALLED, the Body of Christ, they being the MEMBERS of Christ’s Church.

THESE, Expressly are NOT the “Keepers of their Faith, by their OWN “power”.
THESE, Expressly ARE “Kept IN FAITH, by the POWER of God, which DWELLS WITHIN them.

The DIFFERENCE…is not about BELIEF…
RATHER the DIFFERENCE…IS about the KEEPING POWER of God…
vs…
the keeping power of man.

And we all know…below Gods Power, is angels, and below angels power is men in authority over nations, and below men in authority is the massive large population of men, then women, then children at the bottom, being the WEAKEST.

HOWEVER…the Weakest have an OFFERING of surety…IF and When any desires to TAKE such Offering.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

IN Christ…70+ times in the NT.

BUT maybe an additional word is necessary since so many CLAIM to be Christian, but do not show this to be true in their daily living.

Christian is a VERY BROAD Term, which at its Core simply means one who is reading, hearing, following along the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
It does not mean Having confessed Belief or Having become Converted.

If not,
then HOW is any believer then CONVERTED?

Gods Order and Way…
Gods WAY, is Jesus, thus, BY, THROUGH, OF, Jesus.
Call on the Lords NAME…JESUS
Repent for having NOT Believed.
Declare your Heartful Belief and submission of your WHOLE LIFE, body, soul, spirit UNTO the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,

Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

You need English and Theological comprehension lessons.

Really.

And I'm so happy to hear that You cannot send persons to hell.
Whew!

You should have already known that NOBODY can but God.

And now,,,time for my milk and cookies.

Another empty and impotent NON-answer.

Good job . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes.
By the CC.

Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide – the 2 main pillars of Protestantism were invented during the Protestant Revolt. From that came all sorts of perverse doctrines like Limited Atone, Unconditional election, Eternal Security and many others.

Some of your Protestant Fathers, like Martin Luther, wanted to eject several Books from the NT Canon including James, Hebrews, Jude and Revelation. They rejected the God-given Authority of the Church and many of them repudiated the idea that the Eucharist was the Body of Christ.

Whereas, some of the hierarchy needed to be dealt with during this time – the Church was doctrinally sound.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Funny Bread.
Whoever said they weren't??

You lie consistantly.

No - YOU keep insisting that The Catholic Church “changed” its doctrine of Baptism in the yet you can’t seem to provide any PROOF.

Your litany of LIES continues to grow . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide – the 2 main pillars of Protestantism were invented during the Protestant Revolt. From that came all sorts of perverse doctrines like Limited Atone, Unconditional election, Eternal Security and many others.

Some of your Protestant Fathers, like Martin Luther, wanted to eject several Books from the NT Canon including James, Hebrews, Jude and Revelation. They rejected the God-given Authority of the Church and many of them repudiated the idea that the Eucharist was the Body of Christ.

Whereas, some of the hierarchy needed to be dealt with during this time – the Church was doctrinally sound.

Bread
You don't know who my FATHERS are.
And I don't care to tell you.

 

[GodsGrace]

No - YOU keep insisting that The Catholic Church “changed” its doctrine of Baptism in the yet you can’t seem to provide any PROOF.

Your litany of LIES continues to grow . . .

As I said sir,,,,
I am not WILLING to provide any proof to you.

YOU must find out the difference for yourself.

Apparently, you are not able to...
and so,
continue in your LIES.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I've already replied to the above, but something came to mind.....

You should be happy about Wikipedia.
They print all that the CC teaches - even what is wrong.
They just take what the CC believes to be correct, even if it's historically incorrect, and they just
print it for all to read.

Like for instance....
Wikipedia teaches that Peter was THE first Pope.

This is incorrect and can be attested to by anyone that knows church history.
And history cannot be changed - not even by the CC.

The Pope is the Servant of the Servants of God.
Peter was the firt earthly vicar of Christ.

a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if He did not pit him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him the Servant of the Servants of God.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him the Servant of the Servants of God.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not om charge??

Peter's name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

And, apparently, may I add, maybe you should use Wikipedia to see if you could find the answer to my question to both you and Marymog
which you are unable to reply to - after some attempts.

Yes. I'd use ANY source that would help me to be more familiar with my religion - which is Christianity.

Any intelligent person who considers themselves to be a Chrisatian would NOT go to Wikippedia for theor Theology.

SOME of what they report - on ANY subject is correct but you need discerning mind to cut through the rubbish.
Unfortunately, someone as gullible as YOU can't discern . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Bread
You don't know who my FATHERS are.
And I don't care to tell you.

I guarantee you that I have studied the works and writings of your PRotestant Fathers FAR more that YOU have.

 

[BreadOfLife]

As I said sir,,,,
I am not WILLING to provide any proof to you.

YOU must find out the difference for yourself.

Apparently, you are not able to...
and so,
continue in your LIES.

Of course you're not - or you would have provided it already.
Once again, telline LIES is like a sickness with you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not a question of men of the Catholic Church having a long history of Water Baptizing Infants and children.

Water Baptism is not a Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which you have previously claimed…and presumably subsequently taught by the Catholic Church…
That You did receive the Holy Spirit precisely at the time you personally were (Unbeknownst to you at the time) Baptized with Water by a Catholic Priest.



You IMPLY a PRESUMPTION, that IF the head of household IS SAVED, thus, so also is the whole household Saved

A person who IS head of the household, who IS Saved, is Prepared (as head of his household, to teach and lead his household unto the Truth, that THEY ALSO become Prepared, to BECOME SAVED! )

Salvation IS NOT an “AUTOMATIC” Gift given because of a Parent /child Family Relationship.
Salvation IS a GIFT of God, Given to Individuals BECAUSE of the Individuals BELIEF IN THEIR HEART.

Children in their parents HOME, may or may not BELIEVE.
Children LEAVE their parents HOME.
Children may LEAVE fathers who DO NOT BELIEVE.
Children may LEAVE fathers who DO Believe.
Children CHOOSE to BELIEVE or NOT, as their own HEART DICTATES.

Regarding a Believing mans Spouse, IS a consecrated Relationship that THEY ARE ONE, united IN Gods Affirmation.
Children and their father or mother ARE NOT united AS ONE.

Thank you for inadvertentlly giving a perfect example of why salvation is a LIFELONG pocess and NOT a one-time, slam-dunk event.

Presuming you are speaking of “THE Catholic Church”…claiming it has Always believed IN Original Sin…
YET…According to men, OF THE Catholic Church, outside of Scripture…has Declared Original Sin “did not apply to Mary”.

Because Scripture alludes to it when ther Angel calls Mary, Krcharitomrnr (Luke 1:28).
This title is defined as,“ completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result.”

God made an exception with MAry.
God can and DOES make exceptions, as in the case of Enoch and Elijah, who didn't die - even though Heb. 9:27 says that ALL men die.

Christ Jesus’ Church EXPRESSLY taught multiple times Jesus Himself who appeared AS a man, to the EYES of human men..
HAD NO SIN.

Thank you for inadvertentlly giving a perfect example of why salvation is a LIFELONG pocess and NOT a one-time, slam-dunk event.

While…Christ’s Church taught no such thing regarding ANY natural born earthly manKIND of being…the Catholic Church teaches the complete opposite.

And ANYONE who Disagrees with Such of YOUR Church, YOUR Church’s’Teaching, YOUR defense of YOUR teaching of YOUR Church's’ Teaching… You attempt to berate with Belligerent Name calling and False Allegations.

Name Calling and False allegations personally Against others…Does NOT make your Beliefs, your Teaching Correct.
It simply makes you a trained bully.

Absolutely FALSE.

Iy is only those - lke YOU, misrepresent what the Church teaches and beleves that I rebuke.
Those who simpy "disagree" are free to do so without ANY repercussion from me . . .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Wikipedia teaches that Peter was THE first Pope.

That's hilarious!

Once again, telline LIES is like a sickness with you.

That's how the catholcs roll.

Don't feel bad because the so called "reformers" be telling lies too.

The catholics and the reformers have one thing in common... they don't go by what the Lord says in His Word

 

[RedFan]

The Pope is the Servant of the Servants of God.
Peter was the firt earthly vicar of Christ.

a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if He did not pit him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him the Servant of the Servants of God.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him the Servant of the Servants of God.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not the Servant of the Servants of God??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not om charge??

Peter's name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

Any intelligent person who considers themselves to be a Chrisatian would NOT go to Wikippedia for theor Theology.

SOME of what they report - on ANY subject is correct but you need discerning mind to cut through the rubbish.
Unfortunately, someone as gullible as YOU can't discern . . .

I'm not following the argument you are making. Few would doubt Peter's primacy among the apostles. Your case for that is convincing. But what has that to do with the papacy?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Few would doubt Peter's primacy among the apostles

It's funny how the other apostles did not think Peter to be the top Apostle.

At the big gathering they had in the Book of Acts, John was leading the meeting so if they all thought Peter was the "pope" or otherwise the highest ranking Apostle... they would had him lead the meeting instead of John.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here’s the “thing” with a BELIEVER…
Today they CLAIM to Believe…You hear their CLAIM…you even discuss such CLAIM among others…but you lose touch with that individual…THEY subsequently unaware to you…Claim …TO NOT BELIEVE

THAT is my Point, per Scriptural teachings…
AND WARNINGS.
A “BELIEVER” remains under the “POWER” of his own desires, to believe, continue believing, not believe, even advocate for others to deny.

Scripture also reveals…
WHEN an individual is exercising BELIEF…
that individuals IS WITH the Lord …
AND
The Lord IS WITH that individual.

What Happens WHEN when that individual LEAVES the Lord?
The Lord LEAVES that individual.

(Reflecting on Biblical History…Hebrews, Tribes of Israel…WITH the Lord God…He WITH them. THEY Leave Him. He LEAVES THEM)

Agreed.

They (ancient men) HAD NO OFFERING, NO OPTION OFFERED to become MADE soul SAVED, MADE spirit QUICKENED…UNTIL AFTER their bodily DEATH (and ONLY “IF” at the time of their Bodily Death…
Their Bodily Death occurred AT THE MOMENT…”They were IN BELIEF”.)

OK
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Persons always had the opportunity to be saved...Romans 1: 19-20

Not sure what bodily death has to do with this.
But, yes, one has to be BELIEVING at the time of their death.

THAT “scenario” Has NOT CHANGED.

What DID CHANGE…was A NEW BETTER TESTAMENT and OFFERING of an SURETY, “by the mans surrender of BELIEF of his WHOLE (Life), body, soul, spirit… UNTO the Lord God…THAT MANS WHOLENESS…
Body, soul, spirit…According to the Lord Gods Order and Way….
WOULD BE EXPRESSLY “transformed” RIGHT THEN and KEPT Transformed BY the POWER of God.

Do you mean we don't have to wait for our glorified bodies?
We do become saved right now,
We do experience a part of heaven right now,
If this is what you mean, then, yes, it's scriptural.
Ephesians 2:6-7

* Body, forgiven, washed, cleansed, sanctified For Redemption, eternal life.
* Soul forgiven restored back to very good, as it was when given in that body, forever eternally alive.
* Spirit born again of Gods Seed, continuing in forever Life With the Lord God.
THESE ^ ARE THEY which (while continuing to remain bodily ALIVE, (have Spiritually been Crucified with Jesus…called a Living sacrifice)
and Spiritually live IN Christ Jesus’ RISEN Body (called IN Christ)…
and
Expressly are CALLED “CONVERTED IN Christ”
Broadly are CALLED, the Body of Christ, they being the MEMBERS of Christ’s Church.

OK
Sounds right to me.

THESE, Expressly are NOT the “Keepers of their Faith, by their OWN “power”.
THESE, Expressly ARE “Kept IN FAITH, by the POWER of God, which DWELLS WITHIN them.

We are not kept by our own power.
Pelagius thought this.
We can do nothing on our own, just as Jesus taught. John 15:1-6

So I agree with what you've stated...
BUT
I also know that when we become born again we do not lose our free will
and so it is possible to lose our faith or decide to walk away from it, for whatever reason.
God does not force us to stay with Him against our will.

That's a bit too calvinistic for me.

The DIFFERENCE…is not about BELIEF…
RATHER the DIFFERENCE…IS about the KEEPING POWER of God…
vs…
the keeping power of man.

And we all know…below Gods Power, is angels, and below angels power is men in authority over nations, and below men in authority is the massive large population of men, then women, then children at the bottom, being the WEAKEST.

HOWEVER…the Weakest have an OFFERING of surety…IF and When any desires to TAKE such Offering.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

IN Christ…70+ times in the NT.

Convert just means to change from one thing to another thing.
I THINK we agree.
But the change is from NOT being born again TO being born again.
Not sure this is what you mean.

Christian is a VERY BROAD Term, which at its Core simply means one who is reading, hearing, following along the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
It does not mean Having confessed Belief or Having become Converted.

Yes, well, like I said - it SHOULD mean that.
But if you need an extra word, as I've already stated, then it's OK because many call themselves Christian that are not.
BUT
IF one is FOLLOWING the gospel of Jesus Christ, I'd have to say that they are a Christian person.
At what point in their learning and following they are is not for us to decide.

Gods Order and Way…
Gods WAY, is Jesus, thus, BY, THROUGH, OF, Jesus.
Call on the Lords NAME…JESUS
Repent for having NOT Believed.
Declare your Heartful Belief and submission of your WHOLE LIFE, body, soul, spirit UNTO the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,

Taken

Agreed on the above.