What Is Marriage?

[Raccoon1010]

What if a person doesn't want marriage or sex?

Jesus didn't ever tell anyone to have sex if that's what you're asking. And followers of Christ should be giving up their own will and following Jesus will instead. Remember the Lords prayer:

Matthew 6:9-13

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

And

Psalm 40:8

"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."

But if they don't have a problem not engaging in sex then it's covered here:

1 Cornithians 7:8

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Besides, wouldn't that be a work based salvation?

Work based salvation? I just watched daily Mass and it was interesting as he hit on the verse that addresses that:

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This is my sequel thread to "What Is Beauty?" located right here.



What Is Beauty?





Now the reason that this topic is in the debate column is because I already know that it's going to bring up a lot of controversy. Now, let me first start off by saying that when I say that I believe in sex before marriage I'm talking about the actual ceremony and wedding certificate. That means I believe that marriage comes from within and I believe that what God is really saying about we must not fornicate, is that we must not have one night stands and I do believe that is for our own good.





It could cause unwanted pregnancies and that would cause even further problems later on. So I take that to mean that we must be committed to a person that we know we're eventually going to marry anyways. Another question I want to bring up is an arranged marriage an actual marriage before God? I mean neither one of them is really in love or committed to the other one, so how can He expect them to have sexual desires for one another and not fall in love with anybody else? I guess that's more than one question but I'm just really curious about this.

A loving, committed companionship when a man and a woman become ONE, under God and their relationship can then be fruitful and multiply. A good read for you:
Lesson 7: God’s Design for Marriage (Genesis 2:18-25) | Bible.org

 

[April_Rose]

Jesus didn't ever tell anyone to have sex if that's what you're asking.

He didn't say that you couldn't stay single the rest of your life either though. :/

 

[stredaleve]

i also believe that marriage is just a man made thing hat truly matters is the word of God

Spoiler: in the beginning God made them male and female

St. Matthew 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
St. Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Ephesians 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Spoiler: two shall become one flesh

St. Mark 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
St. Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
St. Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

but don't think of me as holy or acting holy or acting i am not holy at all i am just nothing but a sinner and i just want to do something fruitful

St. Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

and i have commited adultery in my heart multiple times well i do not want to be seen as a liar by God and you so by any means even if itjs necessary or beyond common sense i will include it all

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

what does this mean? christ is getting married?

 

[Raccoon1010]

He didn't say that you couldn't stay single the rest of your life either though. :/

Some stay single, and Catholic priests are single and don't have sex. Not that I agree that clergy can't have wives, because I don't. I think if clergy want wives then they should have them:

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

I think Jesus stays out of relationships like that for the most part, unless invited in.

 

[Tone]

Okay, here's my song dedication for this thread:

 

[April_Rose]

Some stay single, and Catholic priests are single and don't have sex. Not that I agree that clergy can't have wives, because I don't. I think if clergy want wives then they should have them:

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

I think Jesus stays out of relationships like that for the most part, unless invited in.

Well you were making it sound like those who choose to never get married aren't receiving salvation as if it was required or something. :/

 

[Raccoon1010]

Well you were making it sound like those who choose to never get married aren't receiving salvation as if it was required or something. :/

Marriage to God is a requirement of salvation yes:

Revelation 19:6-9

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


Well you have indicated in the past that you're special needs, and I also have a slight mental illness. So I tend to think God will take that into account in our judgment before him when we are judged according to our works. No one escapes judgment as I understand it.

Revelation 20:12
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”

 

[April_Rose]

Marriage to God is a requirement of salvation yes:

Oh,.. I thought that you meant marriage to another person you should have been more clear.

 

[Tone]

So, what does marriage to God look like?

 

[Raccoon1010]

So, what does marriage to God look like?

I suppose people interpret it differently. But I interpret it as confessing my sins, being baptized, receiving the holy ghost, taking the bread and wine, and doing good works because I love God and want to do as he desires and share in the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-25). Going to church and doing good works also eliminates temptations.

 

[Renniks]

If you're not willing to marry, are you truly committed? You say premarital sex is ok, but where's the guarantee that you won't break up and it was actually just casual sex?

 

[April_Rose]

If you're not willing to marry, are you truly committed?

That's the point perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I'm talking about when you're in the engagement part of your relationship and you're planning on getting married.

 

[JesusLovesYou]

This is my sequel thread to "What Is Beauty?" located right here.



What Is Beauty?





Now the reason that this topic is in the debate column is because I already know that it's going to bring up a lot of controversy. Now, let me first start off by saying that when I say that I believe in sex before marriage I'm talking about the actual ceremony and wedding certificate. That means I believe that marriage comes from within and I believe that what God is really saying about we must not fornicate, is that we must not have one night stands and I do believe that is for our own good.





It could cause unwanted pregnancies and that would cause even further problems later on. So I take that to mean that we must be committed to a person that we know we're eventually going to marry anyways. Another question I want to bring up is an arranged marriage an actual marriage before God? I mean neither one of them is really in love or committed to the other one, so how can He expect them to have sexual desires for one another and not fall in love with anybody else? I guess that's more than one question but I'm just really curious about this.

1. What about the pregnancies from relationships before marriage, or nowadays from relationships in which the couple lives together without being committed to one another? How many of them are wanted?

2. As for the arranged marriages, these do not take place in a Christian context, even if they were to occur in a so-called “Christian” society. This alone should take one’s mind to cultures where marriage is simply a means of multiplying. I do believe that God is love, He created human beings to love and be loved, and arranged marriages do not guarantee love. That being said, there is the aspect of “what God has united, let no man break apart”. All divorces are the same, regardless of how marriages started—whether they started out of love or not.

First and foremost, God hates when people turn their backs on Him and start acting against His will. Not many marriages in the Bible were arranged, and those that were arranged were used to make or prove a point. Other than that, I am not sure that what happens in other cultures is according to God’s will.

 

[April_Rose]

1. What about the pregnancies from relationships before marriage, or nowadays from relationships in which the couple lives together without being committed to one another? How many of them are wanted?

Let me rephrase that again,.. sex in the engagement stage with protection until after marriage.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

This is my sequel thread to "What Is Beauty?" located right here.



What Is Beauty?





Now the reason that this topic is in the debate column is because I already know that it's going to bring up a lot of controversy. Now, let me first start off by saying that when I say that I believe in sex before marriage I'm talking about the actual ceremony and wedding certificate. That means I believe that marriage comes from within and I believe that what God is really saying about we must not fornicate, is that we must not have one night stands and I do believe that is for our own good.





It could cause unwanted pregnancies and that would cause even further problems later on. So I take that to mean that we must be committed to a person that we know we're eventually going to marry anyways. Another question I want to bring up is an arranged marriage an actual marriage before God? I mean neither one of them is really in love or committed to the other one, so how can He expect them to have sexual desires for one another and not fall in love with anybody else? I guess that's more than one question but I'm just really curious about this.

I think it would have been better for you to say you believe how God did things was important not what we interpret the scriptures say. The scriptures show that when God took a rib from Adam and made the woman he brought him to the man. You can see from the scriptures that Adam and Eve were married right then. (Genesis 2:21-24) There's no evidence there was any sex involved until after they were expelled out of the garden of Eden. So if you have sex before you're married that's fornication

 

[quietthinker]

Marriage obviously lol I just didn't understand what you meant.

There is the missing factor! Is it however the one most desirable?

 

[JesusLovesYou]

Let me rephrase that again,.. sex in the engagement stage with protection until after marriage.[/QUOTE


Nowadays, this is a noble idea. The problem is that the divorce rate had not dropped because people have become more faithful, but rather more uncommitted.

 

[BarneyFife]

Yeah,.. but I didn't know that you were a dog. I've heard of teaching a dog to sit and to stay but to type on a keyboard in perfect English? Now I've did done seen about everything and I've even seen an elephant fly. :cool:

"I'll be done seen 'bout evrythang..." lol

 

[BarneyFife]

The governing body of the community you live in has a right to decide who produced their citizens. Thus a marriage license. Love, as 8n the 'falling' type is traditionally an embarrassing state and had little to do with marriage until recent times. Marriage involves the entire community

Welcome to the forum!
And you're wrong. lol

Ever read the Song Of Songs?