What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

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@Rxlx ~

Lucifer’s banishment FROM Heaven TO Earth occurred BEFORE mankind was Created.

Glory to God,
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[St. SteVen]

@Rxlx ~

Lucifer’s banishment FROM Heaven TO Earth occurred BEFORE mankind was Created.

Glory to God,
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Agree.
Do you have biblical proof of that? Or how did you arrive at that conclusion?

(I know, I know; it seems fairly obvious) But folks might be more likely to believe you than I. - LOL

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[RedFan]

Yes, I noticed you're not much of a Christian.
Get a good Bible and read it.

That you suppose I haven't confirms my suspicion that agreement with your interpretation of the Bible is your litmus test for determining who is and isn't "much of a Christian."

 

[Windmill Charge]

Basically, for any Bible translator to have value, they either need to be so ancient that they have knowledge of the New Testament writers, or else modern enough to be after the translation of the DSS.

Or have extensive knowledge of other ancient writing, from inscriptions etc.

 

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Agree.
Do you have biblical proof of that? Or how did you arrive at that conclusion?

(I know, I know; it seems fairly obvious) But folks might be more likely to believe you than I. - LOL

It is always a “study” to come to a conclusion…

God challenged Job with a a question about Man…

Job 38:
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

More study to discover there were TWO morning stars shouting for joy WHILE the Earth was being establish…

Ezek 28;
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[17] Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Cherubs / Angels had a beginning, a habitat /estate, purpose….
Purpose….ministering spirits… to WHAT?

Short story, short….to WHAT….was manKIND
That was observed by the “spirits” being Created….mans Habitat….and from mans Habitat was the manKind being created…the MADE ALIVE and Abel to “function” via the soul given them…Particularly….means to “communicate”
Created eyes….Made to see
Created ears….Made to hear
Created mouth…Made to utter sound.
Created flesh…..Made to feel touch
Created nose…..Made to smell…
Created from It’s habitat…angels observed
Made Abel to communicate via it’s soul.

It’s a study…of bit by bit God revealed knowledge…same as man does with his own children.

Glory to God,
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[Wick Stick]

Lucifer’s banishment FROM Heaven TO Earth occurred BEFORE mankind was Created.

Glory to God,
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Where do you see that? That isn't how I read it.

As nearly as I can tell, in Genesis 1, Satan is the 'covering cherub,' not the snake. He's still on God's payroll there.

 

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Where do you see that? That isn't how I read it.

As nearly as I can tell, in Genesis 1, Satan is the 'covering cherub,' not the snake. He's still on God's payroll there.

Point was Angels were created Before ManKind.

Angels were created to be FAITHFUL servants of God…
Servants who have particular skills, power, tasks…such ministering spirits unto manKind.

Both Angels AND Humans have the innate abilities to think, believe, act according to their OWN “WILL”, ie called Freewill….which may or may not be in agreement with Gods WILL for His Creations.

Lucifer was created with great Beauty, Clever, Smart, Alluring, Musically talented and given much Power.
He was GIVEN the task to OVER SEE God’s Garden of Eden…ie the Cherub…

A faithful ministering Angel servant of God would SERVE GOD, according to Gods WILL.

An unfaithful angel served himself according to his own will.

God created the Garden…Lucifer was the Cherub to oversee the Garden.

God was OUTSIDE the Garden, “spreading some seeds”….for plants, trees, herbs, to grow….

AND creating a being God called man…and then PUT the man in the Garden God prepared for him, with a ministering Cherub Angel to keep watch over this man.

It is hearing / reading the Knowledge of Spiritual things….BY A HUMAN…that only makes sense to a HUMAN MIND….

Lucifer’s ESTATE/habitat was NOT Earth…it was the (mid and high heavens)….Like ALL HOLY (faithful) angel servants of God…

Point being….Holy angels have FREE RANGE to be in their ESTATE as well as go to EARTH, manKinds ESTATE…

While Lucifer was IN his estate, He was confronted by God….FOR….LYING in his own thoughts that “he” could rise above God.

And while there ARE “3 levels of Heaven”…
Gods ESTATE IS the Heaven ABOVE the Heaven(S).

FOR Lucifers thoughts, idea, false intent…
He was banned from his ESTATE to manKINDS Estate, WHICH at that time…was exclusively …. The Garden.

And full well knowing, angel spirits have the power and capability to APPEAR in “physical forms”….as a human….Lucifer…banned from Heaven SENT DOWN TO EARTH was given the FORM of a SERPENT, with the ability to SPEAK….and still maintained his “power”…..cunningness….etc…..and a new name…..Satan….and title….Devil…and Standing….Against God.

And that is WHO the woman had a conversation with….IN the Garden.



Glory to God,
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