what about transgender ? what if you were born as transgender

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
That seems to be an exaggeration, but there is currently an atmosphere to bring this out in the open.

No. 10,000+% increase is NOT an exaggeration. Check the numbers.

Previously, one had to come out of the closet and face wholesale criticism.
This is indeed a new atmosphere. And it is becoming a fad.

And it is far worse than "an atmosphere to bring this out in the open;" it is an agenda, an attention seeking agenda. Watch youtube vids of young people regretting making irreversible sex changes. If gender is a social construct, why does it take surgery to correct?

Agree. This aspect needs to be included in the discussion.

St. SteVen said:
Is the church helping or hurting?

It depends on what side of the aisle you are standing on.

Sound partisan.
And those helping are barely enough to fit a row or two. Certainly not a 50/50 split.
Families struggling with these issues typically leave the church due to the treatment they receive.

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[Wrangler]

Sound partisan.

It is partisan.

Families struggling with these issues typically leave the church due to the treatment they receive.

As they should since they stand on the other partisan side of the aisle from the church.

This is a social contagion, an agenda item of Satan and not mere variation of the human condition.

Satan knows sexual perversion is a major pathway to seduce people to him.one must expect him to exploit it to the hilt. Your position seems to be that the church should be complicit, which I don’t agree with.

Someone with an identity disorder needs psychological help, not mutiliated by the medical community, the very people who should be helping.

 

[St. SteVen]

Dude! Open your mind.

Being metaphysically wrong is not being morally wrong. A 5 yo getting 2+2 wrong is not morally wrong.

I wanted confirmation that you don't believe that transgenderism, or gender dysphoria is a sin.
Is that what you are saying, or not?

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[Ronald Nolette]

of course our glorified bodies will be perfect but what about now . do you support trans ?

transgenderism is the consequence when God gives a society over to darkened hearts and minds. When someone is born transgender ( formerly known as a hermaphrodite) it was a genetic mutation and an anomaly.

 

[Arthur81]

of course our glorified bodies will be perfect but what about now . do you support trans ?

In response to the title of the OP, if I were born transgender, what then? Assuming there were no biological issues, I'd hope and pray that my parents or guardian would take me to see an established PH. D. in psychology, and also a well-respected psychiatrist. Possibly a third opinion from an educated specialist knowledgeable in this field.

I would want what was amiss corrected, if possible, not attempt to change how I was physically created by God to match my erroneous thinking.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

of course our glorified bodies will be perfect but what about now . do you support trans ?

No one is born transgender. There are people who are born with multiple sexual organs (we call them Hermaphrodytes) but even in these causes. if you look at their DNA they are XX or XY and not technically trans.

A trans is a male who thinks they are female or a female who thinks they are male. and dresses like them, acts like them, and in extreme cases. has a sex change to make it appear that they are the opposite sex. Which is irreversable. makes them sterile. and does not take care of the root problem..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's the problem. Christians make this a B+W issue. It isn't.
Gender dysphoria is real. Real people with real issues.

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

www.christianityboard.com

WWJD with LGBTQ?

Christians tend to treat LGBTQ as if it is a singular thing. It's not. It's a very complex subject that the church has, for the most part, swept under the rug. Those who have stepped up to be inclusive have taken the heat for it. And there is even a broad spectrum of how inclusion can play out...

www.christianityboard.com

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its a mental illness.

You treat the disease. you do not enable it. like any mental illness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you stood a naked man and a naked woman in front of you and set about determining their gender, it is a B-W issue!

They're evil spirits Steven. Prolly a spirit of Depravity, or a spirit of Homosexuality, or a spirit of Sexual Immorality, or a combination of them! Perhaps after the evil spirit has been there for awhie that a mental illness with the body would come from it. Is that gender dydphoria that you speak of.
Hey we can give you a pill that makes you feel like a girl? But scripture says no.

Romans 1:20
20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God..../NLT

So when they say that they are confused, they are lying. It's as simple as that.

Or have I misinterpreted Romans 1:20? (Lol)

amen,

Like someone I was talking to said, 100 years from now when they dig up the bones. they will call them by their biological sex. Not their prefered sex.

If a Man wants to act like a woman, let him, He can dress, put on make up and have feminine qualities all he wants.

he is still a man. (they used to call them effeminate males)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Being born as a person with a female brain in a male body is a sin? (or vice versa) Since when?

This does not happen.

Was this a choice? But there you are "Right or wrong" = B+W issue.

Yes it is black and white. You were born male or female.

Now how you act and how you think may be more feminine or more masculine, But your still what your biological sex is.

This is a volatile issue. I'm glad that we are discussing it.

It is I agree.

But look at Sodom and Gomorrah. and know what God thinks about it.

That seems to be an exaggeration, but there is currently an atmosphere to bring this out in the open.
Admittedly there is a social aspect driving this that is rather disturbing. It's not "cool" to be okay with your birth gender.
I agree that is a problem. Is the church helping or hurting?

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again, If a man wants to act like a woman, thats fine. Have at it.

But don;t call yourself a woman, or expect anyone else to play into your dreamworld. The truth is the truth, when we lower the standards of what is true and what is not, we lose any semblance of a true society..

 

[MA2444]

amen,

Like someone I was talking to said, 100 years from now when they dig up the bones. they will call them by their biological sex. Not their prefered sex.

If a Man wants to act like a woman, let him, He can dress, put on make up and have feminine qualities all he wants.

he is still a man. (they used to call them effeminate males)

Exactly, Men and Womens bone structure is different, even before they bust open a bone and look at that pesky Y Chromosone, lol.

Should I ask my Dog what gender he is? I thought he was male, but you never know, lol! Lifting the tail dont work no more they said! That's ok if they want to play games, but I dont have to play if I dont want to. I wont.

And I dont care if theycall me a homophobe or a transformerphobe! I'm starting to like those terms, lol. Yep, thats me.

 

[MatthewG]

In response to the title of the OP, if I were born transgender, what then? Assuming there were no biological issues, I'd hope and pray that my parents or guardian would take me to see an established PH. D. in psychology, and also a well-respected psychiatrist. Possibly a third opinion from an educated specialist knowledgeable in this field.

I would want what was amiss corrected, if possible, not attempt to change how I was physically created by God to match my erroneous thinking.

Ill have to say,


I've in the past worked with mentally ill patients... Half of them aren't right, some even sexual predators.

What do you wanna do?

Some people would like to have them eradicated... While the sexual predator has a one on one, they still have a messed up brain. They will let you even read the bible to them...

Do you believe that Yahvah, knows their illness? And wasn't the sin taken care of? Now it's just a matter of faith, and if you can't dive into a mute mans mind, who are any of us to judge anyone.

Report your local predators, ... pray for all people... isn't that some where in the bible. Some people need Jail, some people need a Group Home with a Staff member to take care of them... in the end of life Yahavah, is gonna know where they truly wanted to be...

With him or without him DESPITE - disposition... there many people that harp on Paul for his eyes being bad, well maybe he liked the hot women that came by sometimes, and that was the thorn in his side that kept him at bay, and the grace of the Lord was enough...

I've heard of reports of the people who come to God, normally progress from their once state of position - saying they are man, or a woman - even reverting surgery, because they become renewed, but not everyone is capable of doing that. Especially those who have been beaten in the head over and over, as a child and have suffered damage to the brain... etc...


Just think about this it's something to consider. Some people forget about these people even existing, or make fun of them, while they do need help be it behind bars, or with a Staff who can be able to help guide them... Some don't know because they been brained washed as a child from mother (I seen a lifetime movie on that once.) But anyway... I digress.

Does the transexual bother me? Nope. They need Jesus just like a normal sexual person, or a even a sexual predator, who needs a staff to watch over them, or behind bars... as much as a murderer.

 

[Arthur81]

Ill have to say,


I've in the past worked with mentally ill patients... Half of them aren't right, some even sexual predators.

What do you wanna do? Eradicate them... While the sexual predator has a one on one, they still have a messed up brain. They will let you even read the bible to them...

Do you believe that Yahvah, knows their illness? And wasn't the sin taken care of? Now it's just a matter of faith, and if you can't dive into a mute mans mind, who are any of us to judge anyone.

Report your local predators, ... pray for all people... isn't that some where in the bible. Some people need Jail, some people need a Group Home with a Staff member to take care of them... in the end of life Yahavah, is gonna know where they truly wanted to be...

With him or without him DESPITE - disposition... there many people that harp on Paul for his eyes being bad, well maybe he liked the hot women that came by sometimes, and that was the thorn in his side that kept him at bay, and the grace of the Lord was enough...

I've heard of reports of the people who come to God, normally progress from their once state of position - saying they are man, or a woman - even reverting surgery, because they become renewed, but not everyone is capable of doing that. Especially those who have been beaten in the head over and over, as a child and have suffered damage to the brain... etc...


Just think about this it's something to consider. Some people forget about these people even existing, or make fun of them, while they do need help be it behind bars, or with a Staff who can be able to help guide them... Some don't know because they been brained washed as a child from mother (I seen a lifetime movie on that once.) But anyway... I digress.

Does the transexual bother me? Nope. They need Jesus just like a normal sexual person, or a even a sexual predator, who needs a staff to watch over them, or behind bars... as much as a murderer.

How you reply to my post, and then come up with the idea I somehow was writing some like this: "What do you wanna do? Eradicate them..." I do not see how you got that. But I found your reply to much a jumble to even understand you.

 

[MatthewG]

How you reply to my post, and then come up with the idea I somehow was writing some like this: "What do you wanna do? Eradicate them..." I do not see how you got that. But I found your reply to much a jumble to even understand you.

Yo I fixed my reply, "Some people would like to have them eradicated." Whether or not you wanna go in and digest that jumbled mess is totally up to you Arthur. Thank you for pointing that out for me, sir.


You always have your Liberal people who follow the Lord Yeshua,
You always have your Conservative people who follow the Lord Yeshua.

Both sides have their extremes, but the LORD isn't political.

 

[Arthur81]

Yo I fixed my reply, "Some people would like to have them eradicated." Whether or not you wanna go in and digest that jumbled mess is totally up to you Arthur. Thank you for pointing that out for me, sir.


You always have your Liberal people who follow the Lord Yeshua,
You always have your Conservative people who follow the Lord Yeshua.

Both sides have their extremes, but the LORD isn't political.

I am an American speaker of English. I use only English in my writings.

 

[MatthewG]

I am an American speaker of English. I use only English in my writings.

You don’t have to be so mean… I’m already have a tough time on my side of the screen… I’ll just ignore you I had a lot of respect you just lost it.


Think before you speak.



Gods not like this…

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

of course our glorified bodies will be perfect but what about now . do you support trans ?

No such thing as trans. there is mental illness and demonic oppression

 

[Arthur81]

You don’t have to be so mean… I’m already have a tough time on my side of the screen… I’ll just ignore you I had a lot of respect you just lost it.


Think before you speak.



Gods not like this…

If you see something "mean" in what I wrote, I apologize, for that for that was not my intention. But, I do not find "Yeshua" in any English dictionary and my caution flags go up when I see that being used. How does it go, 'a rose by any other name smells as sweet'...

Oh, I just see something different, something from you in conversations. You wrote "You’re mean dude … wtf is wrong with people."
That tells me right there all I need to know.

 

[MatthewG]

If you see something "mean" in what I wrote, I apologize, for that for that was not my intention. But, I do not find "Yeshua" in any English dictionary and my caution flags go up when I see that being used. How does it go, 'a rose by any other name smells as sweet'...

Oh, I just see something different, something from you in conversations. You wrote "You’re mean dude … wtf is wrong with people."
That tells me right there all I need to know.

Well what the hell is wrong with people and their disrespecting? Over a name... Yeshua, Jesus.... Yahavah, Yhvh, Yhwh.

What is it to you? Im sorry I ever even quoted your post.

I guess to you I am some guy trying to take your faith away or something... geez bro.... I use all kinds of language, if I got a guy who cusses a lot Ill cuss with them... ya know? Paul did that, he became to those who were under law as one under law and those without as though one without...

People out here be wild. Only God can judge me.

 

[MatthewG]

The transexual needs Jesus just as much as anyone else...

If you feel the need to look down on them, or you feel the need to seek them out and persecute them, you got some issues.

That is just straight up to anyone...





What Would Jesus Do? Tell them get away from me, you gross human being... ?? There is a lot of people who need build their faith and rely on the Father and the holy spirit


more than their knowledge and wits.


Seriously there is a lot of people with many issues . . . . And your no better than they are... you bleed same blood.

 

[NotTheRock]

Engaging in homosexual or transgender behavior is sinful. However, I do believe that for many, it is unavoidable. As Paul described (see below), God has consigned ALL of us to sin. We all sin, just not necessarily in the same ways. I don't condemn or hate people who engage in homosexual/transgender lifestyles just like I don't condemn or hate people who are constant drunkards, gluttons, or idolators. What much of the world wants, of course, is for everybody to say that engaging in homosexual/transgender behavior is perfectly fine, which it definitely is NOT fine.


Romans 11:30-32
30For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowe receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.