Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, I think you've missed it.

The purpose of pointing out that THE APOSTLE MATTHEW fails to use "what would be considered sound hermeneutical principles in today's seminaries" is not to impugn Matthew, but rather to question the seminaries, pastors, churches, and perhaps even frequent-internet-forum posters who insist on interpreting Scripture that way.

To be fair to you - nobody here has really come out and said so directly, and instead opted to do this in a humorous, sarcastic way...

You said in another reply that someone has some explaining to do in regards to what you say is wrong. I can only share how I’ve seen contradictions often, and I don’t think it is wrong to want to face those contradictions instead of avoid them; which often I come to see as not contradictions but it was my perspective that needed changing. I can be wrong. Often. I don’t fault this thread for asking good questions. I can understand why you’d want to face the questions you have regarding this topic. Even though I might not fully understand it. Even though I might not agree.

No one may not agree with me but a big hurdle for me was the law of jealousies when a wife is suspected of unfaithfulness. I’ve shared multiple times on here (the board) how I hated that passage in Numbers 5. To me it sounded similar to a ritual performed by devil worship. Like in some back dark room a man in a long robe is holding a trial of a wife suspected of being unfaithful to her husband. A husband brings her to the priest…and she goes through these ritualistic steps to prove or disprove whether she is guilty or not guilty. Weird things like gathering dirt from the tabernacle floor and putting it in an earthen vessel and causing her to drink of the bitter water that causes the curse. People may say “so?” But for me it haunted me and had me questioning “who are you God?” For years! I’m glad I admitted it as a source of offense for me. But for me it also became a source of help(which actually healed my offense in that which I had hated became helpful even needful) . Point is…I’m not suggesting it’s bad to question what you said bothers you. I do hope you come to a place of it no longer being offensive to you. I hope you find the answers you seek. I do think the best to ask these things is the Spirit of God. Like what you seek…if I understand correctly is your questioning of who is lying. Why not ask God to show you the truth? Hoping He will resolve it so you never have to visit those same questions of “someone has some explaining to do” again and again and again.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The purpose of pointing out that THE APOSTLE MATTHEW fails to use "what would be considered sound hermeneutical principles in today's seminaries" is not to impugn Matthew, but rather to question the seminaries, pastors, churches, and perhaps even frequent-internet-forum posters who insist on interpreting Scripture that way.

I don’t know. I see it the opposite of what is usually argued as sound hermeneutical principles which is often: Context to key.

Usually context only refers to the immediate verses surrounding a verse. While that does have merit. I still do think context can also be what the verse means within the context of the Whole of the Word of God. Maybe pointless to bring up but for me Proverbs is the worse for out of context verses. When you read the proverbs it jumps from one subject to another. Sometimes verses having no immediate context surrounding them. but over all the Word of God those Proverbs help.

 

[Wick Stick]

I don’t know. I see it the opposite of what is usually argued as sound hermeneutical principles which is often: Context to key.

Usually context only refers to the immediate verses surrounding a verse.

That's grammatical context.

While that does have merit. I still do think context can also be what the verse means within the context of the Whole of the Word of God.

That's sometimes referred to as redemptive context. Basically, what does the verse mean to the overall message of the Bible? Usually identifying the redemption of mankind by the Lord Jesus Christ as that message.

There's also historical context - how does what we know about the history of the time/place it was written influence our interpretation of the verse?

Maybe pointless to bring up but for me Proverbs is the worse for out of context verses. When you read the proverbs it jumps from one subject to another. Sometimes verses having no immediate context surrounding them. but over all the Word of God those Proverbs help.

Proverbs is a collection of sayings. Solomon didn't sit down and write it from one end to the other, as a single composition. So yeah, they mostly aren't related to each other.

 

[Bladerunner]

Fortunately we have plenty of other evidence that Jesus is who he said he was.
(although there are question about WHAT he actually said to convey that)

However, when we give these supposed prophecies a hard look, they are not holding up very well.

If Jesus is real in your life, THAT is the best evidence. IMHO

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The prophecies hold up well.. anything to discredit the Bible...will do says many and it is getting worse everyday,

 

[St. SteVen]

The prophecies hold up well..

On closer examination we find misquotes and acquired claims that were not the intention of the ancient writers.
They do NOT seem to hold up well. What happened?

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[Bladerunner]

On closer examination we find misquotes and acquired claims that were not the intention of the ancient writers.
They do NOT seem to hold up well. What happened?

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and where did you get your information from.?

 

[St. SteVen]

and where did you get your information from.?

The Bible.
I compared the NT claim with the OT quote.

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[Lambano]

Sometimes prophesies just happen:

 

[St. SteVen]

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[Bladerunner]

Sometimes prophesies just happen:

Yet, All those words are those of GOD...All of them.....Now who prophesied that year?