Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

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Matthias

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The question interests me, as I have a friend who was a Catholic and he was taught to question the Word and his beliefs, which eventually found him leaving the church.

That could happen but it‘s also possible for such a person to confirm their faith.

I think someone like asoul could be taught to question the Word better in the hope of allowing the light of it to reach him.

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Given what he said in post #157 (“the idea of possibly being wrong on this topic doesn’t apply to me”), I don’t think he can be reached. His mind is made up. End of story, implied.
 

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That could happen but it‘s also possible for such a person to confirm their faith.
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Given what he said in post #157 (“the idea of possibly being wrong on this topic doesn’t apply to me”), I don’t think he can be reached. His mind is made up. End of story, implied.
I did a study of Mary once in this forum and many Catholics in the end fell away to their own bias. I'm a big believer that truth comes at a cost, which many find to much to pay. What I mean is to discover divine truth and accept it may mean you are estranged from your family, friends and community.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Matthew 10:34

@asoul

Let me provide an example of what I mean by using Mary

She lived in poverty Lk 2:35
She suffered suspicion of infidelity Matt 1:18-20
She suffered public rebuke of her own son (2) Jhn 2:4, Matt 12:46-50
Lived with a divided family Jhn 7:5
Knew loneliness of widowhood and care of a large family Matt 13:56
Saw her son hanging on the cross Jhn 19:27

Now, what might the sword of persecution and suffering be for @asoul if he began to question Catholic error, and turn to the one True God?

My ex-Catholic friend has felt the sharpness of that sword, but also the healing from his Grace in calling him to a more pure truth.

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Do you think you could remain a Catholic and believe that Jesus had brothers and sisters?

If that were true then of course. However, again, post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins.
 

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If that were true then of course.

If it were true that you came to believe that Jesus had brothers and sisters by Mary you would be able to remain in the Catholic faith despite the Church insisting that he didn’t? You would be able to remain a Catholic while repudiating the Catholic teaching on the matter? I find that hard to believe.

However, again, post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins.

It doesn’t show that to me.

Everyone has reasons for believing what they believe. Post #4 presents your reasons for believing that the brothers and sisters (see the two Catholic translations I quoted in this thread) “were actually His cousins.” I appreciate you providing it for consideration by your readers.

P.S. I thought the Catholic article I linked in post #144 was well-written and handled the issue in a fair manner. (In my opinion, Catholic scholarship tends to be superior to Protestant scholarship.) I simply don’t find the Catholic argument persuasive.
 
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No, it wouldn't be the end. Why would it? And, post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins. Therefore, the idea of possibly being wrong on this topic doesn't apply to me.
Dan Brown and his stupid pathetic book that was one of late who started of all this rubbish about Jesus having blood brothers, that kicked off all of the rubbish that we hear nowadays like this.

Not to mention new versions of the Bible nowadays are a problem in many such regards for they are outright stupid translations of the original English with total lack of regard the foundation that the original was trying to translate, so it's got only more off track.

Not to mention that also some people believe that the words of the bible are to be taken as literal ? and claims of the English version is the only one ? Boy such is outright ignorance has been peddled to brain wash such idiots. and i have heard they go on a stupid pathetic rant about English is Gods word for today. because they claim that English is the most spoken ? so that is Gods will ? etc what BS.

English is not worthy of God at all, because such can be so missleading in fact ! most likely it's the work of the Devil, for this world is full of deceptions and delusions, It's not in regards God ! is it ? No it's not. that's why i am not surprised.

But Hebrew must be understood in it's key foundations and true Latin would be the best foundation to use because such does not change like English does and can wildly ! it's a bastard language that can swap and change with trends etc, look at all of the changes in 100 years to the meanings and then the last 20 years such has been bastardised beyound belief by retarded idiots trends of fools ! so how would a 20yo understand the true wording of the KJV ! you will need another translation in the books wording meanings just for this era of young people again, so they are not misslead on the intent of the wording, even myself had a bit of a hard time back in the 1960's 70's with such but some did have foot notes and addition modern wording pointed out as well along the way, but even that for the younger generation will need another foot note and modern translation again for the younger generation and their dribble that they talk.

But the original English version are only trying to translate and not to mention regardless some of that translation is missed, in a way ?
One who has some understanding of Greek and Latin and Hebrew will have a greater understanding of where the English translation is truly coming from !
But most people will not bother to look that far in depth ! some only like lines to recite for their own childish religious ends to peddle. espically the end of times Mob, it's all geared for that. and they just look about so as to find lines anywhere so as to push, but such does not add up in fact, if you do bother to do your home work in fact ! but most do not bother to do such because it requiers much devotion and years of study to have a handle on such.
So that type of Mob promote just to follow along and do not question them ! or else ! you are not aloude to have your own growth, you are a nothing and they dominate everything ! if you question them, then they go off their rocker with rage ! I see anyone like that then i know that they have no Grace at all, they are just religious nuts.

English on it's own does not cut the mustard totaly in fact ! One best has to have a handle on the cultural issues as well as the History to have a better handle on the subject as well !
 

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You can't say you won't address the evidence any further because you haven't at all.
I've addressed the ARGUMENT you made that the context of Gal. 1:18-19 indicates James the brother of the Lord was, in Paul's view, one of the original twelve. That contextual argument is not EVIDENCE. I have nothing more to say on the subject.
 
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You said:



I Disagreed.

How does your response about Mary and King David have anything to do with Jesus having blood brothers?

Thanks.

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You made the claim Jesus was not of Mary's egg.
Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy that would descend from the line of King David.
Mary was of that lineage and Jesus born of her blood was that Messiah of prophecy.

What has this to do with Mary and Jesus having blood brothers? Because the words of God tell us Jesus had blood brothers.
Matthew 13, Mark 6, Luke 1, Galatians 1:19.
 
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I've addressed the ARGUMENT you made that the context of Gal. 1:18-19 indicates James the brother of the Lord was, in Paul's view, one of the original twelve. That contextual argument is not EVIDENCE. I have nothing more to say on the subject.

Again, the evidence in post #4 is the early Christian testimonies that support my arguments which you haven't adressed at all yet.
 
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If it were true that you came to believe that Jesus had brothers and sisters by Mary you would be able to remain in the Catholic faith despite the Church insisting that he didn’t? You would be able to remain a Catholic while repudiating the Catholic teaching on the matter? I find that hard to believe.

Post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins. For the sake of argument, if it were true that they were Jesus's half-siblings, why would the Catholic Church insist otherwise? And, if they did, why would I leave the Church that Jesus founded based on a disagreement on this topic? That's silly.

It doesn’t show that to me.

How come?
 
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Huh? Jesus's biological brothers from Mary were actually his cousins?

While the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" is "brothers", its only familial definition is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and thus it can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) believed to be His half-siblings were actually the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.
 
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By the way. If Jesus brothers were born of another woman they would not be his brothers.

While the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" is "brothers", its only familial definition is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and thus it can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) believed to be His half-siblings were actually the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.
 

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While the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" is "brothers", its only familial definition is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and thus it can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) believed to be His half-siblings were actually the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.
Jesus had many brothers and sisters...Rem, while they are only "half Brothers and Sisters" biologically, they were considered His "full brothers and sisters" according to the civil law...This allowed Joseph to adopt Jesus as a son..to Nation and GOD there was no difference between them all.../.
 

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Post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins. For the sake of argument, if it were true that they were Jesus's half-siblings, why would the Catholic Church insist otherwise?
Well, about 95% of what they insist is false teaching so I guess its about being consistent.

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